BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: Troll
Date: 01 Oct 01 - 01:00 AM

Thank you for sharing that with us GUEST. We will all take your comments under careful consideration by discussing them privately amongst ourselves to try and determine what, if any, significance they may have.
Once again, thank you. We appreciate your input.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: DougR
Date: 01 Oct 01 - 12:41 AM

Funny, Spaw, very funny! I don't want to get carried away or anything, but you really are a great humorous writer even if you potitics is skewed! :>)

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: GUEST, A Member, being Anon.
Date: 30 Sep 01 - 12:54 PM

Were you the Guest Greg F too, btw?

*LMAO*

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: GUEST, A Member, being Anon.
Date: 30 Sep 01 - 12:44 PM

Proves that its not a music site?

*LMAO*

I'd of thought that as youre so clever compared to anyone else, you'd want us to know your name....otherwise how could you get the acclaim you deserve?

'Course, if you were really confident enough in your genius to do that, you wouldnt feel the need to spout nonsense about others, would you?

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Sep 01 - 10:12 AM

Once again the Mudcat proves it is not a music site with more ridiculous postings especially from Greg F and Catspaw49. This is not to say that anyone else knows anything but that this is not the place for amateur politics or humor.

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Sep 01 - 10:22 PM

I dunno Skep........The only terrorist things that Clete has been involved with have been purely accidental.....like the explosion at the Mudcat Condom Factory.

Now some of y'all may not know or have forgotten all about the Mudcat Condom Factory. Paw, Cletus and the Reg boys all had jobs there until Reg accidently opened the wrong valve causing a minor explosion and coating Reg with latex. They peeled it off him and the Reg boys went out and bought plaster of Paris and used the latex mold to make a statue of themselves which they donated to the town. Understandably the town was not impressed and placed it at the edge of the woods on the ridge where the buzzards nest. It now stand as mute testimony to the amount of shit produced in 3 months by one buzzard colony. Sadly, the factory has never been repaired.

Then of course there was that horrendous mess in downtown Columbus.........Cletus, Paw Buford, and the Reg Boys all wound up in jail after setting up a shack and drilling numerous holes on the new Ice Rink in Columbus, explaining to the arresting officer they were just ice fishing. The Reg Boys would have been okay, being Canadians and all (Fielding's three half-brothers, all named Reg) and would have gotten off with a warning had not one of their holes penetrated a gas main. Even this wouldn't have been a major problem had not Paw and Cletus been along and were entertaining the Reg boys with a fart lighting performance which ended with an explosion taking out 2 square blocks of downtown Columbus. Typically, none of them, although hospitalized at the jail infirmary, would believe that they were NOT on a lake and DID rupture a gas line. Cletus just laid there saying, "Damn,what a doozie."

And I gotta' tell ya' that the whole bunch are pretty dim when it comes to firearms of any sort. About three years back, Paw, Cletus, and Buford were out hunting and the result was shooting Buford! Paw and Clete thought he was dead but instaed Buford had been knocked senseless and the 6-pack in his knapsack had taken the brunt od the blast. Paw and Cletus didn't know that and being good members of the CHDA, Paw gave this eulogy on the spot:
O Lord, take our good buddy Buford into thy Heavenly Herd. He was a good ol' boy who knew that 27 was his limit, 'les somebody else was drivin'. So you gotta' forgive him for wearin' that brown coat with the white fanny pack 'cause it was about all he had left to wear after his ex sicced that lawyer fella' on him for back child support. And God, please bestow your benediction on me an Cletus. We had no way aknowin' that Buford had fallen into that dead and rottin' sycamore and got that funny lookin' branch stuck in his coonskin hat. 'Sides that Lord, there MUSTA' been sumpin' wrong with them three Head Cheese sandwiches that Buford had with his beers. I mean when he has aretchin', well me and Cletus woulda' swore it was a buck in rut. So long Buford, we'll miss yuh. We're awful sorry, but I know you understand...'specially since you had a kinda' similar thing happen a few years back with your ex-brother-in-law, Hiram. Dear God, please take our friend's soul to your bosom and forgive him his earthly transgressions. Cletus and me are gonna' take his beat up ol' pick-up and his Ithaca and leave his dead ass right here...'cause ain't nobody else gonna' miss him. Plus, the S.O.B. didn't have no money and we can't afford no funeral or any more trouble with the Law. AMEN

And to be absolutely truthful, the terrorist causes often involve religion and the only glancing blow these guys have had with religion of any sort came right after that episode. Since he was just knocked out and drunk instead of shot dead, its good that Paw and Cletus didn't bury him.......But I tell you the truth, when that ol' boy showed up alive, it damn near killed Paw instead. That reunion led to a joyous evening of the three of them and the Reg boys getting drunk on "Iron City" and 'Shine and roasting a hog out in my backyard alongside the garage. Of course, after a while, Paw started lighting up farts as is his wont and............ The neighbors began to complain about 11 o'clock or so after one of Paw's flamers had ignited the hedge on his property. That would have passed as the boys got it out pretty quick, being full of Iron City and all, but when a major rip set fire to his wife's bird feeder....well, that was it. I tried to calm the guy down and assured him nothing like that would happen again. He went back into his house dragging the charred remains of the feeder and a roasted squirrel that had been looting it when Paw let fly with that fiery thundersprecht.

Anyway, I got them situated again and since my house has aluminum siding, my only request was that they point Paw towards the wall. I figured a good hosing would clean off the worst of it in the morning. I went inside and the revelry continued at a somewhat decreased decibel level with only an occasional flash lighting the window of my den. Around 2 AM the boys came in for a final pee call and of course they couldn't just go. I heard either Reg or Reg in my pantry and before I could get up there, the whole crew was playing sink the Cheerios in my downstairs bathroom. Karen came downstairs at this point and threw a fit since our kids watch everything the boys do and we were spending a fortune in Cheerios. After a severe ass-reaming from Karen, I herded them back outside and suggested they get some sleep around the smouldering pig carcass. I went back in and after cleaning and disinfecting the bathroom and taking a shower, I again settled down in front of the TV to watch a half-hour Infomercial on how I could make thousands a week by selling quinnine pills through Direct Mail Order and running tiny little ads.

They were just getting to the good part with the testimonials and all when there was this giant blast from the backyard and the night sky lit up like a Buddhist monk. There was a moment of silence and then I heard Cletus yell, "HOLY SHEET!!!" Well, there wasn't anyway I could avoid it, so I went out through the garage into the backyard and there they stood, the whole damn bunch of them, except for Buford who was throwing up Iron City and pork fat down his bib overalls over by the smoking hedge. They were staring at an image that Paw's last fart had scorched onto the siding with their mouths hanging open. I stepped back and looked and my first thought was, "Well this ain't gonna' clean off too good and Karen will be really pissed." But when I started to say something Cletus stopped me and I noticed that the look on all of their faces was almost reverent. Paw was standing with his mouth agape and the others seemed awestruck as well, so I looked again.

Cletus turned to me and said, "Doncha seez it Catspaw? Its rite thar!!! Paw done farted Jerry Falwell out his ass!!!" Well, I kinda' had to admit, it DID resemble him in the flickering light of the burning porker on the spit, but I was too much in fear of what the morning would bring from Karen to say anymore than tell them to get some sleep. Problem was, they didn't. I went back inside, the group outside quieted down, and I nodded off before I could get the 800 number for the "501 All-Time Polka Greats" by Myron Kopetz and the Nose Flute Kings.

What I didn't know was that the group had gone off and gotten Pastor Sharphorn, his wife, the Ladies Auxillary, and the Deacons, from the "Church of Evangelical Brethren and Tongue Talking Mohunkers" and they arrived for a look-see about sun-up. When I woke up to the commotion outside it was about 6 AM I guess. The sight that confronted me was reasonably bizarre. At least 150 people were assembled in the backyard and I could see more coming down the alley. A small altar had been erected out of the remains of my stockade fence which was now on the ground, the crowd overflowing into my neighbor's backyard and trampling his stupid-ass garden gnomes into powder....it was the only high spot of the day. Those kneeling at the altar would place small plastic Madonnas and Jesus statuary at the foot of the garage wall and say a little prayer and move on to the donation box that Cletus was guarding. It was then that I noticed that everyone donating more than $25. was getting a "Holy Relic" to commemorate their visit to this newest religious icon which had previously only sheltered my vehicles and assorted cans of dried out wax and rubbing compound.

There, perched upon a throne like affair that I noticed had been assembled from our porch furniture, was Paw. As each person gave his donation, Buford would cut a small piece from Paw's overalls and hand it to them. For $50. they got a piece from the seat, and for $500. a snippet from the flap of his longjohns. It was a kind of poor man's "Shroud of Turin" I guess. Business must have been good since Paw was missing one entire leg of his bibs and he was about bareassed already. I was dumbfounded and I was just considering how to set this up as an infomercial and start booking tours when the County Sheriff showed up and ran everybody off. Then he proceeded to fine me for 19 different offenses and gave me a summons to appear in court for destruction of my neighbors property.

I was able to head off Cletus and the money, which covered almost all of the fines and my neighbor's friggin' gnomes, but it cost another 50 bucks to get rid of Falwell. Now if I could just get shed of the real one for the same price.......................Anyway, I have never been able to figure out how that happened and I suppose it is one of those things best left unexplained. I've always thought that Falwell was talking out his ass, but I never figured you could blow him out your ass, but Paw's a really talented ol' coot so I guess you just never know. Really, I think Cletus had it right with his first two words, "Holy Shit!!"

The only reason you might have to worry is the fact that Cletus recently issued a "fartwad" but believe me, he has no idea who or what is going on!!! I mean really Skeptic, read it for yourself:

THE FARTWAD OF CLETUS
I keepa heerin that the feller whut done put them ol boyz up ta flyin inna them big bildingz has ishooed sum uv the thangs that Catspaw sez ar callt fartwads ur sumpin like that. Now I doan holt with blowin up no bildingz an bringin on all thet tragedy ta folks but I do know an awful lot abowt farts an I figgered I had the same say az thet there nasty fucker an I shur az hell kin match dam neer ennybuddy seppin Paw when it comes ta fartin.

I axt Catspaw why thizzeer Bin Loded feller wud rite sumpin bowt gas passin an Catspaw sed it wuzza jujmint. Wal, I gotta few jujmintz bowt fartin myself soze I thot I cud passem on heer.

1--Iffen ya dun et a lot uv cabbage an stuff, ya needz ta have reel gud jujmint az ta whether ur not ta rip one attall cuz ya mite git yersef a reel fartwad in yer droors.

2--Never stan behind Paw when he flares one off ur yall like as not lose yer eyebrows and yer mustash iffen ya got one.

3--Iffen yer in polite type cumpny then itz gud mannerz ta do the 'one cheek sneek.'

4--Doan ever flote an air biskit after eetin Catspaw's hot wingz. Thair aint no wayz ta do a one cheeker with them neither cuz they like ta set yer bunghole on fire.

I figger them four ar az gud az ennythang that meen bastard cud givout so yall jez take my advice an pray ta god Catspaw doan ever serv ya Hot Wingz an cabbage.

So give it guys......Cletus is no threat at all unless you're standing downwind!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: Skeptic
Date: 29 Sep 01 - 08:21 PM

We don't just market products and services here. We also market politics and war.

And Congress in its wisdom exempts itself from most laws. Truth in advertising being one of them, apparently.

At least in the private world there are implied an actual warranties. Imagine if the same applied to politicians

Cletus might be creating his own cell of terriorists to cause chaos and dissension on the Mudcat

In year or so of watching and posting, and in light of links to threads that a memberof theinnercirclethatdoesn'texist kindly provide me concerning some of the great flame wars of mudcat history, I'd have to conclude that the cell exists and has had a number of successes to date.

Regards

John

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: Amos
Date: 29 Sep 01 - 07:56 PM

Gus:

I appreciate your frustration.

I am sure you'd like to see some swift and bloody retribution comparable to the crime.

It would feel balancing.

But this is not the forum for you if you want to hammer out the fate of Westerrn Civ and get everyone to see the wisdom of your ways.

This forum requires the guts to stand up and confront ideas different from your own, fairly and squarely.

Sorry you couldn't take the heat....

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Sep 01 - 04:20 PM

The Paraquat idea makes sense - a list where you tick off the next. As with Hurricanes.

Alternatively they could use the name of the person sitting in the White House, with a number as well. This time though that would be complicated by the fact that there has to be a number on the person sitting in the White House as well. "Bush the Second's Number One".

I was surprised they didn't call it "Operation Make My Day."

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: DougR
Date: 29 Sep 01 - 02:59 PM

You got a point in there somewhere, Gus?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Sep 01 - 02:38 AM

Hey DJH, nice to see you, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: gus C
Date: 29 Sep 01 - 02:04 AM

you are all such intelligent halfwits. I hope your disdain for a war hasn't clouded your judgement. Monkeys. Hijackers rely on fear to control the passengers on the planes they take, your fear of standing up to them is how they get away with it . PEACE

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: DougR
Date: 29 Sep 01 - 12:58 AM

You know, Spaw, it is possible ...not likely I know, that Cletus might be taking advantage of your natural inclination to protect him. He may have a dark side that you know nothing what-so-ever about. Cletus might be creating his own cell of terriorists to cause chaos and dissension on the Mudcat. I have it on fairly good authority that he leans toward drilling in the Anwar, or at least that is the rumor his followers are spreading throughout the Internet. Perhaps you should watch him very closely. Maybe a wiretap or something.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: GUEST,Kim C no cookie
Date: 27 Sep 01 - 01:49 PM

Operation Big Can of WhoopAss

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 27 Sep 01 - 01:37 PM

Amos - I think they ended up throwing a bucket of cold water over them. I don't personnally know the family but it would be consistent with 9 letters being confused with 4.

Steve

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Sep 01 - 10:13 AM

Like Spaw said, try to get upset about the vulgarity of war. FUCK is just a word on the page. War is real blood and guts, death and dying, and definitely something to get FUCKING riled up about!

katwhohasseentheCletusgenealogy...nocousinsofanysortinthechart

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: Amos
Date: 27 Sep 01 - 12:27 AM

I think Cletus had a cousin removed once -- they got caught out in thuh pine rows by a passing Sherrif car? An' it scared 'em up so much they couldn't get separated, so they took em down to the clinic and had the veterinarian give 'em sumpn....

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: DougR
Date: 26 Sep 01 - 11:52 PM

Ok, Spaw, you certainly would know. Maybe a cousin twice removed? :>)

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Sep 01 - 10:23 PM

No Doug, he doesn't. I thought much the same as you but I swear it is not Clete or anyone related to him. Got it there bro?

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: DougR
Date: 26 Sep 01 - 10:15 PM

By God! It was Cletus that came to mind! Of course if you say it wasn't him, I got to accept it. Does Cletus have a brother, a cousin, a ...?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Sep 01 - 09:34 PM

Try to be as offended by war as you are by "vulgarity."

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Sep 01 - 08:55 PM

I must agree with Dewey all the same.

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Sep 01 - 08:55 PM

A war by any other name would stench as sweet.

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: GUEST,petr
Date: 26 Sep 01 - 08:49 PM

of the cynical names the worst one has to be Operation Reach Out and Touch SOmeone (the US warship bombing of the SHouf mountains in Lebanon which resulted in the tragic bombing of the US embassy in Beirut and continues to this day petr

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 26 Sep 01 - 08:44 PM

Just as an aside, the Falklands War was termed 'Operation PARAQUAT'

(apparently the Ministry of Defence has a List that they just work down, rather than something that seems appropriate to the situation)

The Troops, not knowing what 'Paraquat' meant (I think its some kind of insecticide or weedkiller, isnt it?) & wanting something that rolled off the tongue a little more easily, took to calling it:

Operation PARAKEET....

(Though I've heard it alleged that the Royal Marines called it something slightly different, in reference to their old 'adversaries', the Parachute Regiment....I wont repeat that here for fear of upsetting Guest 'Dewey' further....)

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 26 Sep 01 - 08:27 PM

Hehehe...fair enough, Doug

..& youre right..though if all us Yorksher fowk started tawkin in dyarlekt, things could REALLY get confusing!

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: Banjer
Date: 26 Sep 01 - 08:19 PM

Four-letter Stupidity??? Well I counted them myself and the word 'stupidity' has nine letters!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: GUEST,Dewey
Date: 26 Sep 01 - 08:24 AM

More Vulgarity and Four-letter Stupidity.

I'm Out of here! Anyone else with any intelligence should be out of here too!

Another pathetic example of people who would rather spend time shocking others, rather than engage in meaningful dialogue.

Dewey

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: GUEST,Greg F.
Date: 26 Sep 01 - 07:44 AM

Why not save everyone a lot of sweat and bother with this naming business and just call them all, appropriately, "Operation Clusterfuck" followed by a numeral? Although since we're up to a number somewhere in the millions, this might be a bit unwieldy.

Best, Greg

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: GUEST,Dewey
Date: 26 Sep 01 - 07:14 AM

I don't see Operation Enduring Freedom as a jingoistic ploy to get American young men sign-up to die for their country.

The President I believe was referring to the New Domestic War of Terrorism, that will attack our civil liberties and privacies as we trade our freedom for security.

Freedom has to Endure Many New Challenges Domestically: The ability for instance to get to the purpetrators of the crimes without destoying our own system of government in the process.

This is why the Media calls this the "New War" They weren't saying it to be cute or to envoke nationalist sentiments. Please get over that idea! WW1, WW2, Korea. Vietnam is over.

No Offense everyone but PLEASE WAKE UP! This is not a conventional war of body bags and tanks. This a domestic war on our soil that threatens our very democracy itself. Stop worrying about Yankee Imperialism; that was yesterday! Start worrying about the future of your homeland, your persnal heath and your civil liberties here in the Good Old U.S.A.

It is a "New War" because of the way it will be waged: by unconventional means. It will not be won by bombs and warships sent to a far away nation.

But by Spying, Wire-tapping, Internet Banking, barb-wire fencing, etc. and massive massive changes in the power and authority of our government, especially domestic jurisdiction to defend the homeland.

Even as we speak, Attorney General Ashcroft, is re-writing habeus corpus (however it is spelled) wire tap laws probable cause etc.

We indeed have many new things to endure. hence the name. Stop making fun of the name and start realizing the reality of why such a name was chosen. When the bombs of the Jihad start flying in major U.S. cities and everyone starts becoming sick, and the government begins rounding up anyone it deems a potential threat, then you will understand why the operation was named what it was.

Hopefully we will never get to that point, but if we do I doubt if anyone here will be making fun of the name then.

Dewey (who can't think of a more appropriate name for this new and un-ending domestic war)

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Sep 01 - 06:38 AM

Whatever they call it, it's going to be damned unpleasant.

By George you've got it Melani!

Operation Damned Unpleasant.

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: Melani
Date: 26 Sep 01 - 01:42 AM

Whatever they call it, it's going to be damned unpleasant.

Chanteyranger is correct--the code names used to be for purposes of secrecy, not mass marketing. It's scary to think what a consumer culture can do to history.

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Sep 01 - 01:23 AM

If you're referring to Cletus Doug, I can assure you it is NOT him!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: DougR
Date: 26 Sep 01 - 01:16 AM

Paul from Hull: will you for goodness sake not confuse most of these folks with facts? And Guest Maple's writing style sure reminds me of someone, but I just can't pin it down at the moment. It's a puzzlement.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 26 Sep 01 - 12:53 AM

WWII U.S. campaigns had code names as well, like "Operation Iceberg" for the invasion of Okinawa. I don't think, though, that the code names then were announced or well known to the public, were they?

-chanteyranger

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: Amos
Date: 26 Sep 01 - 12:46 AM

Oh, come on, Spaw man!! Use a little imagination!! LOL!! How about Operation Face Lift or Operation Bin Laden Liposuction or Operation Turn'em Into Legos or maybe a Saturday Cartoons angle like, Operation Beep! Beep! Nyeeeow!! You're Dead!! or even Operation Put a Milky Way in Saddam's Gas Tank.

I think they've been hiring the wrong writers for this job.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Sep 01 - 11:34 PM

Oh....I see now....it's about loyalty and pride huh? Well, in that case, disregard my previous post and let's call all of these things, "Operation: We're Bad Ass Fuckers And Will Bomb the Living Shit Out Of YOU."

That about covers the pride and all I think.........

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: Troll
Date: 25 Sep 01 - 11:24 PM

Qar? *BG* Oh well. When you have several operations going at once, it's easier to keep them straight in everyones mind if you give them names and "high sounding" names can aid morale.
Witness the British tradition of naming their warships. It's easier to feel loyalty and pride in the "Dauntless" or the "Endeavor" than it is in the "Harold J. Quimby".
Yeah, Infinite Justice was dumb but it looks like they are on the right track now. I remember being involved in an operation called "Brightstar-Pinecone II. It was a little hard to get excited about that one.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Sep 01 - 10:30 PM

"The Moslims believe that only God can apply that."

Christians believe the same thing.

Atheists would doubt Bush's ability to carry something to infinity.

I think it should be called "A whole heap of Justice","A Shit Load of Justice", Or more realstically "A good try at getting justice"

I think they make up names like that so they don't have to put "spin" on descriptive names. I remember Johnson insisting Viet Nam was a "conflict" Flame wars on the internet are conflicts. that was a Qar!!

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Sep 01 - 10:17 PM

"Operation Enduring License" doesn't sound so good though, ya' know?

Personally, I think they should can the patriotic and inspirational stuff and just call the things what they are. Like the Somalian thing could have been Operation: What The Fuck Are We Doing Here" and Carter's hostage rescue attempt could have been "Operation: Piss Poor Planning." Panama might have been "Operation: Put Your Nuts In A Vice" and Desert Storm could be "Operation: We Need The Friggin Oil."

I think the Grenada invasion which was Operation Urgent Fury is simply rife with possibilities. It was planned at "Charlie Brown Airport" in Atlanta which oughta' say something. Perhaps though it may best be placed in history under Operation: We Got Nothin' Else To Do."

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 25 Sep 01 - 09:40 PM

In some societies "freedom" means "freedom to do what the hell you like as long as we, the big boys, approve." There is freedom----but then again, there is licence. There is a difference between the two that the Press, for instance, should note-- when mumping on, for instance, about "America's New War". Nice when you can get things brand spanking new like that......

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: kendall
Date: 25 Sep 01 - 09:32 PM

Infinite justice. Another example of our ignorance of other cultures. The Moslims believe that only God can apply that. Someone wised Bush up, and he changed it to enduring freedom. He sure likes to mouth that "freedom" thing. I wonder if he knows how stupid that sounds?

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: Burke
Date: 25 Sep 01 - 09:24 PM

Desert Shield & Desert Storm sounded like movie titles to me. Do you think maybe if it sounds enough like a movie title people won't realize it's for real?

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: Amos
Date: 25 Sep 01 - 08:47 PM

We market our hurricanes, too!! We're just a nation chock-a-block FULL of glitz and glamour, aren't we??? Why, if WE were running that there French Revolution thing we'd make them nobles feel PRIVILEGED to have a shot at trying out our "'New Freedoms' Unimodular Super Keen Thought Liberating Device" (FUSKTLD) -- wouldn't need them durn tundrils!! We'd make 'em PAY to try it out, by gum!!

Hey, I ask you now, effen you can't market it, what the hail GOOD is it, ennyhoo?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: marty D
Date: 25 Sep 01 - 08:36 PM

The movie Wag the Dog seems closer and closer to reality. If WWF wrestling, Monster Truck rallies, Voyeuristic TV and 'bomb 'em to smithereens' movies weren't so popular, I'd have more confidence that we could handle this in an intelligent way. I don't, and it really scares me.

marty

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 25 Sep 01 - 08:31 PM

We do it too.....

Not sure WHEN it started, but in WW2 every Battle/Offensive/Operation had a 'code name'

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Sep 01 - 08:24 PM

If they were seriously trying to sell it to the people they need to sell it to, it'd have some Islamic sounding name. Of course maybe that was what "Infinite Justice" was supposed to be, only they didn't think it through.

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: CarolC
Date: 25 Sep 01 - 08:06 PM

You have to understand how the US marketing machine works in order to understand why wars are given names like that here, McGrath.

We don't just market products and services here. We also market politics and war.

Subject: RE: BS: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Sep 01 - 08:01 PM

When did this idea of giving wars fancy names start? Or even campaigns.

I mean, did Haig in the Great War (an optimistic title maybe) sit around thinking "Shall we call this 'Operation: Bloodbath'? No let's call it the 'Battle of the Somme', it'll make a better title for a good tune some day."

Subject: Operation: Enduring Freedom
From: GUEST,MAPLE
Date: 25 Sep 01 - 06:45 PM

Jist wanted ta say thet Ol'Smirky Bush feller pikt a gud name this time round, cuz with thet Orfice a Hometown Scurity an sum tother thangs thar perposin, tha kind a Freedum thar talkin about is gon be purty hard to endure, awrite.
MAPE