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Lyr Req: Waterways Lament (David Blagrove)

Whiskey 10 Nov 01 - 03:09 PM
Cobble 10 Nov 01 - 07:37 PM
GUEST,Mike Cahill 11 Nov 01 - 12:25 PM
Whiskey 16 Nov 01 - 12:34 PM
GUEST,Ian Hughes 03 Nov 07 - 02:22 PM
The Sandman 04 Nov 07 - 12:30 PM
GUEST,Ian Hughes 04 Nov 07 - 06:38 PM
Jim Dixon 05 Nov 07 - 10:39 PM
Mark Dowding 06 Nov 07 - 08:16 AM
GUEST,Ian Hughes 06 Nov 07 - 04:47 PM
Peace 07 Nov 07 - 08:14 AM
GUEST,Lindsay in Wales 08 Nov 07 - 06:00 AM
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Subject: Waterways Lament
From: Whiskey
Date: 10 Nov 01 - 03:09 PM

After one of our performances in Whitby, during the Captain James Cook Festival, we were advised by an "audient" who had been listening intently, that there were additional verses to the song Waterways Lament, which uses the tune to Tramps & Hawkers. We already sing four verses, but if anyone knows others, we would be grateful. Our verses start: 1. All along the British waterways I'm sorry to relate 2. They say canals are finished now, they want the Cut to die 3. I never thought I'd see the day the boats would cease to move 4. The paddle gear is hard to draw, they let the lock gates leak

Thanks Whiskey


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Waterways Lament
From: Cobble
Date: 10 Nov 01 - 07:37 PM

It sounds like it could be a Mikron song from the seventies or eighties, we have just looked through our 6 books, it could have been a later show they put on. Good Luck with your search. Cobble.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Waterways Lament
From: GUEST,Mike Cahill
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 12:25 PM

I think a version of this song is on an LP published in the late 60's by the BBC called Narrow Boats, I'll dig out my copy, blow the dust of my gramophone and see what we come up with.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Waterways Lament
From: Whiskey
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 12:34 PM

Thanks guys We actually got the song from the BBC Archives - we don't think that it is a Mikron song, but who knows.

Mike we would be grateful if you could have a listen to your old vinyl.....hate to miss an opportunity to throw in an extra verse or two. We re-wrote it to give us a chorus using the last section of the fourth verse, just to make it a bit more interesting and give the audience something to grab on to.

Whiskey


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Waterways Lament
From: GUEST,Ian Hughes
Date: 03 Nov 07 - 02:22 PM

The song is by David Blagrove and the lyrics can be found on my web-site 'Songs of the Inland Waterways'. www.moonlightshadow.demon.co.uk
Contributions of other British canal songs would be most welcome


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Waterways Lament
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Nov 07 - 12:30 PM

There was avery good one written by Barry Skinner[remember him,used to be a backbone of the folk revival],called Broken Boats.Dick Miles


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Waterways Lament
From: GUEST,Ian Hughes
Date: 04 Nov 07 - 06:38 PM

Many thanks. I've transcribed this now and put it on the 'Songs of the Inland Waterways' web-site (www.moonlightshadow.demon.co.uk). I will do another Barry Skinner song 'Moving Up the Cuts' next.


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Subject: Lyr Add: WATERWAYS LAMENT (David Blagrove)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 10:39 PM

Copied from http://www.moonlightshadow.demon.co.uk/waterways_lament.htm

WATERWAYS LAMENT
by David Blagrove

Along our the British waterways, I'm sorry to relate,
The boatmen and their families are in a woeful state.
There are few others in this land who do so toil and strive,
And now the Board will take away their calling and their lives.

They say canals are finished now. they want the cut to die.
'Tis more than any man can tell, to know the reason why;
And while they take our homes from us, our working boats and loads,
Ten thousand corpses every year lie bleeding on the roads.

I little thought I'd see the day the boats would cease to move.
The weeds and all the rubbish fill the boatmen's muddy groove.
As from the cut its life blood runs, then with it dies its soul,
The music and the laughter too, with boatmen on the dole.

There's little work upon the cut for honest boating chaps.
It's all white paint and fibreglass and dandy yachting caps.
Although it takes both pride and skill to steer a loaded pair,
The pleasure boats go cruising past, with noses in the air.

The paddle gear is hard to draw. they let the lock gates leak.
The pounds are filling up with mud, and getting worse each week.
The dredging boats and piling gangs do work in bits and parts.
Our brasses and our painted boats do hide our breaking hearts.

David Blagrove in the sleeve notes to 'Straight from the Tunnel's Mouth' wrote : The transport act of 1968 which removed the public's right to navigate their own canals inspired this song. There was a real gloom and despondency among the boat people; and one sad result of the pleasure/amenity explosion has literally been to take away their calling. Wharves and basins have been redeveloped, thus depriving the boats of essential terminals. The tune is Scots 'Tramps and Hawkers'.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Waterways Lament (David Blagrove)
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 06 Nov 07 - 08:16 AM

Ian - I'd like to get in contact with you about a few things but there's no email address on your site. Can you email me on mark@markdowding.co.uk and I'll get back to you.

Great site by the way - plenty of resource on there.

Cheers
Mark
www.markdowding.co.uk


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Waterways Lament (David Blagrove)
From: GUEST,Ian Hughes
Date: 06 Nov 07 - 04:47 PM

Hi Mark,
My e-mail address is ian@moonlightshadow.demon.co.uk
I suspect we aren't too far away geographically as I live in Stockport and have been a folk fan for a considerable time. Including an interest in Lancashire songs. I am aware of your recordings of Harry Boardman's material and I think I might have seen him once. I look forward to hearing from you.
Ian


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Waterways Lament (David Blagrove)
From: Peace
Date: 07 Nov 07 - 08:14 AM

Guys, it's my understanding that spammers look for e-mail addresses on sites. It might be best if you post them like

ian[at]moonlightshadow[dot]demon.co.uk


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Waterways Lament (David Blagrove)
From: GUEST,Lindsay in Wales
Date: 08 Nov 07 - 06:00 AM

I lived on the Oxford Canal on a Narrowboat for 2 years at the beginning of the 90s. Wonderful experience. Would do it again tomorrow if I ever have the opportunity.

I have a brilliant LP by "The Boatmen" it's called "Straight From The Tunnel's Mouth" I think it's on the "Sweet Folk All" record label. Will dig it out if anyone is interested in a track listing or a tape of it....


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Waterways Lament (David Blagrove)
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 08 Nov 07 - 06:52 AM

Good point Peace. I would have PM'd Ian or asked him to PM me but as he isn't a member it seemed to be the only way to get in touch with him. We have now communicated and I see he has now put the email address on his site.

Lindsay - the details of "Straight from the tunnel's mouth" are on Ian's site as are lots of other canal related LPs/CDs. I got a copy of it many years ago whilst going up the Llangollen canal. It is an excellent LP I agree with you. I learned a few songs off it in my formative years of singing. Must revive a few of them.

Cheers
Mark


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Waterways Lament (David Blagrove)
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 07 - 07:12 AM

yes, sorry I didn't read a previous posting properly where details are mentioned. Call it old-age! (that's my excuse....)

I've also sung Waterways Lament at a regular folk/jam session near Oxford in the 80s


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Waterways Lament (David Blagrove)
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 08 Nov 07 - 07:19 AM

I don't agree with the digs at the "pleasure boaters" in the song. After all, it was the amateur boaters who campaigned from the forties onwards for the retention of the canals- the Rolts and Aikmans, the IWA, the local canal groups. And of course the paddle gear is just as stiff and the gates leak just as much for the pleasure boater as for the carrier. But for the rise in leisure use, the canals would have been severed and filled in in the 60s and 70s, which fate befell the Derby Canal, the Dearne and Dove, the Shrewsbury, and very nearly the Kennet and Avon. I've been told that if they could have found a buyer who would take responsibility for filling it in, the Ministry of Transport would have sold the Shroppy for £5000 in the 60s.


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