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Origins:We're Gonna Move When the Spirit Says Move

Dicho (Frank Staplin) 11 Nov 01 - 10:22 PM
Tweed 12 Nov 01 - 06:25 AM
Burke 12 Nov 01 - 05:16 PM
masato sakurai 12 Nov 01 - 07:53 PM
masato sakurai 12 Nov 01 - 07:57 PM
Tweed 12 Nov 01 - 08:09 PM
Dicho (Frank Staplin) 14 Nov 01 - 02:11 PM
Azizi 18 Feb 07 - 01:40 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 18 Feb 07 - 02:03 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 18 Feb 07 - 03:11 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 18 Feb 07 - 03:37 PM
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Q (Frank Staplin) 18 Feb 07 - 05:25 PM
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Subject: YOU GOTS TO MOVE
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 10:22 PM

YOU GOTS TO MOVE

Cho.
You gots to move, you gots to move,
You gots to move, you gots to move,
When de Lord gits ready, you gots to move.

You may be high, you may be low,
You may be rich, you may be po',
For when de Lord gits ready, you gots to move.

Father move (4 times)
For when de Lord gits ready, you gots to move.

Other verses obvious.

Annie Holmes, Murrells Inlet, SC. John and Ruby Lomax 1939 Southern States Recording Trip.
Benjamin H. Broadie (1948) has a version re-issued on Document Records, DOCD 5585. (England)
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: YOU GOTS TO MOVE
From: Tweed
Date: 12 Nov 01 - 06:25 AM

"You see that Woman, Out on the street.. You see that Pol-ice, Upon his beat. But when the Lord gets Ready, You got to move."

Fred MacDowell, Scottish sharecropper from Mississippi.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: YOU GOTS TO MOVE
From: Burke
Date: 12 Nov 01 - 05:16 PM

Link to the sound


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: YOU GOTS TO MOVE
From: masato sakurai
Date: 12 Nov 01 - 07:53 PM

Two versions by Mississippi Fred McDowell are in Harry's Blues Lyrics Online with sound clips (HERE and HERE) is from him. Title variants are: "You Got to Move," "You've Got to Move," "You Gotta Move," "You Got ter Move," and "When the Lord Gets in the Storm." Several recordings were made before World War II, including Memphis Minnie's (see Blues and Gospel Records 1980-1943). Post-war versions are by Five Blind Boys of Alabama, Zion Travelers, Charlie Jackson, Clarence Fountain, Marion Williams (the title is "The New You've Got to Move"), the Fairfield Four, Pearly Brown (on video It's a Mean Old World), the Moving Star Hall Singers (on Tribute to the Robert Johnson Era; and Been in the Storm So Long), and Rev. Gary Davies. Guitar Slim's "Come On My Kitchen" uses the same tune (on Living Country Blues, disc 2). Another version ("You Got ter Move") was collected by Ruby Pickens Tartt in Alabama in 1930s (in Olivia and Jack Solomon, Honey in the Rock, p. 16).

~Masato


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: YOU GOTS TO MOVE
From: masato sakurai
Date: 12 Nov 01 - 07:57 PM

Sorry, the first 2 lines above should have been:

Two versions by Mississippi Fred McDowell are in Harry's Blues Lyrics Online with sound clips (HERE and HERE). The Rolling Stones' version (Lyrics site HERE) is from him.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: YOU GOTS TO MOVE
From: Tweed
Date: 12 Nov 01 - 08:09 PM

Harry's place is a slow loader, but if you need blues lyrics, he's da man. There's a cyber buddy of mine in Germany who also has a goodly selection of gospel, folk, country and blues lyrics. Good place to bookmark for searches later.
Alexx Blues Pages
Nice place.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: YOU GOTS TO MOVE
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 02:11 PM

Rev. Gary Davis recorded the Fred McDowell version including the verse posted by Tweed:

You see that woman
Who walks the street,
You see that police
Upon his beat
But when the Lord gets ready
You gotta move
You gotta move.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: YOU GOTS TO MOVE
From: Azizi
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 01:40 PM

Here's the version of this spiritual that I learned as a child {Atlantic City, New Jersey, 1950s}

You gotta move when the spirit says move.
Move when the spirit says move
When the spirit says move
You gotta mo-ove, Lord.
You gotta move when the spirit says move.

-snip-

Other verses in that same pattern:

You gotta pray...

You gotta shout...

You gotta sing...

You gotta clap..

**

Fwiw, I've never heard the other spiritual or blues versions posted on this page.

Thanks for hippin me to them.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I GOT TA MOVE
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 02:03 PM

Lyr. Add: I GOT TA MOVE
Georgia Sea Islands

I got ta move, we got ta move
We got ta move, we got ta move
O, when the Lord, get ready
You got ta move

You may be rich, you may be poor,
You may be high, you may be low,
But when the Lord get ready
You got ta move.

My brother move, my brother move
My brother move, my brother move
O, when the Lord get ready
You got ta move.

Sometimes I'm up, sometime I'm down
Sometime I'm almost to da groun'
O, when the Lord, get ready
You got ta move.

Recorded Georgia Sea Islands, 1960s.
"Ring shouts' tended to carry simple messages and contained simple lyrics." The version... "recorded in the 1960s during a live acapella performance by a group of Georgia Sea Island women, began at a lilting pace, with booming voices, syncopated claps and stomps on a naked floor creating, in the truest sense, an orchestra without instruments. One woman kicked off each line, but she was quickly accompanied by the harmonizing wails of the others. Then, a few bars into the plaintive melody, the plodding footfalls sped up and the clapping went double-time. The resulting sound was layered and throbbing and sepulchral, as if it had wafted up from a sad netherworld."
The author goes on to explain the meaning(s) of the song.

The words here are probably different from those of earlier versions of the song, but spirituals were never constant or 'frozen.'
www.stanford.edu/~rickford/L73/SS.Ch5.SingersToasters.rtf

(The Led Zeppelin song is unrelated in theme.)


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Subject: ADD: We're Gonna Move When the Spirit Says Move
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 03:11 PM

We're Gonna Move When the Spirit Says Move
Civil Rights version

We're gonna (C)move when the spirit says move!
We're gonna move when the spirit says (C7)move!
'Cause when the (F)spirit says move
Then you (G7) move with the (C)spirit

We're gonna move when the (G7)spirit says (C)move

We're gonna sing, etc.
We're gonna march, etc.
We're gonna talk, etc.

p. 305, Fred and Irwin Silber, 1973, Folksinger's Wordbook, Oak Publications.

Traditional Ballad Index entry:

We're Gonna Move When the Spirit Says Move

DESCRIPTION: "We're gonna move when the Spirit says move (x2), Cause when the Spirit says move, Then you move with the Spirit; We're gonna move." Similarly, "We're gonna singe when the Spirit says sing." "We're gonna talk" "We're gonna march"
AUTHOR: unknown
EARLIEST DATE: 1973
KEYWORDS: political religious nonballad
FOUND IN:
REFERENCES (1 citation):
Silber-FSWB, p. 305, "We're Gonna Move When The Spirit Says Move" (1 text)
Roud #12302
NOTES: Listed in the Folksinger's Wordbook as a Civil Rights song, though I've met it as a sort of religious playparty. - RBW
File: FSWB305

Go to the Ballad Search form
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Go to the Ballad Index Instructions
Go to the Ballad Index Bibliography or Discography

The Ballad Index Copyright 2016 by Robert B. Waltz and David G. Engle.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: YOU GOTS TO MOVE
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 03:37 PM

Lyr. Add: You Got Ter Move

-Chorus-
You got ter move
You got ter move I declare
You got ter move
When the Lord gits ready
You got ter move.
1.
Well you may be blind
En cannot see
But when the Lord gets ready
You got ter move.
Chorus
2.
Well you may be high
Well you may be low
But when the Lord gits ready
You got ter move.
Chorus
3.
You may be rich
En you may be po'
But when the Lord gits ready
You got ter move.
Chorus
4.
The Bible says you must repent,
You got to stand in judgement,
For when the Lord gits ready
You got ter move.
Chorus.

No 16, Olivia and Jack Solomon, 1991, "Honey in the Rock, The Ruby Pickens Tartt Collection of Religious Folk Songs from Sumter County, Alabama." Mercer University Press, Macon, GA.
Mentioned above by Masato.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: YOU GOTS TO MOVE
From: Azizi
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 04:56 PM

"Lyr. Add: We're Gonna Move When the Spirit Says Move
Civil Rights version"

I'm sure that my church was singing that version before the Civil Rights movement started.

Most Civil Rights songs were based on spirituals. I think that's the case with this version too.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: YOU GOTS TO MOVE
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 05:25 PM

No idea where the Silbers obtained their "Civil Rights version." They provide no references or documentation. It is, of course, spawn of the spiritual.

Don't know if I can find one that qualifies for the definition of spiritual- all those posted here by date belong to the gospel period.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: YOU GOTS TO MOVE
From: Azizi
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 05:26 PM

I consider "We Shall Not Be Moved" to be a sister song to
"You Gotta Move" {when the spirit says move}.

"We Shall Not Be Moved" was used as a union protest song and as a [1960s African American}civil rights song.

I bet this song was also based on a spiritual.

Here's the words as found on http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/7840/song6.htm


WE SHALL NOT BE MOVED

CHORUS
We shall not, we shall not be moved
We shall not, we shall not be moved
Just like a tree that's standing by the water
We shall not be moved

We shall not, we shall not be moved
We shall not, we shall not be moved
The union is behind us,
We shall not be moved

We shall not, we shall not be moved
We shall not, we shall not be moved
We're fighting for our freedom,
We shall not be moved

We shall not, we shall not be moved
We shall not, we shall not be moved
We're fighting for our children,
We shall not be moved

We shall not, we shall not be moved
We shall not, we shall not be moved
We'll building a mighty union,
We shall not be moved

We shall not, we shall not be moved
We shall not, we shall not be moved
Black and white together,
We shall not be moved

We shall not, we shall not be moved
We shall not, we shall not be moved
Young and old together,
We shall not be moved

-snip-

Here's a musical transcription of this song with additional verses:
http://www.gospelmusic.org.uk/v-z/we_shall_not_be_moved.htm

Transcribed: Guitar Picker - www.gospelmusic.tk
Words and music: Unknown

We Shall Not be Moved

Chorus:
   G          D7
We shall not, we shall not be moved,
             G
We shall not, we shall not be moved.
            C                                       B7   Em
Just like a tree that's standing by the water,
G       D7    G
We shall not be moved.

Glory hallelujah I shall not be moved,
Anchored in Jehovah I shall not be moved.
Just like a tree planted by the water
I shall not be moved.

In his love abiding, I shall not be moved,
And in Him confiding I shall not be moved.
Just like a tree planted by the water
I shall not be moved.

Though the tempest rages, I shall not be moved,
On the rock of ages, I shall not be moved.
Just like a tree planted by the water
I shall not be moved.

-snip-

Since I don't read music, I'm not sure if this is the same tune that I know.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I Shall Not Be Moved
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 09:59 PM

The gospel song, "I Shall Not Be Moved, is the base for the later "We Shall Not Be Moved.

Lyr. Add: I SHALL NOT BE MOVED
(Based on Psalm 16:8)

No. 479, with score
1.
I shall not, I shall not be moved,
I shall not, I shall not be moved.
Just like a tree that's planted by the water,
I shall not be moved.
2.
The church of God is marching, I shall not be moved. (2x)
Just like a tree that's planted by the water
I shall not be moved.
3.
Come and join the army, etc.
4.
King Jesus is our Captain, etc.
5.
Satan had me bound, etc.
6.
On my way to heaven, etc.
This arrangement by Betty Gadling, copyright 2000, for African American Heritage Hymnal, 2001, GIA Pub. Inc.

This gospel song is often credited to Alfred. H. Ackley, "Hymns for His Praise No. 2," 1906.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I Shall Not Be Moved (attrib. Ackley)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 10:12 PM

Lyr. Add" I SHALL NOT BE MOVED
(Attributed to Alfred H. Ackley)

As a tree beside the water
Has the Savior planted me
All my fruit shall be in season
I shall live eternally.

Chorus:
I shall mot be moved
I shall not be moved
Anchored to the Rock of Ages
I shall not be moved.

Tho' the tempest rage around me
Through the storm my Lord I see
Pointing upward to that haven
Where my loved ones wait for me.

When by grief my heart is broken
And the sunshine steals away
Then his grace, in mercy given
Changes darkness into day.

Alternate verse:
When at last I stand before Him
Oh, what joy it will afford
Just to see the sinner ransomed
And behold my sovereign Lord.

http://www.audiblefaith.com/pages/sg500454


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: You Gots to Move
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Feb 07 - 12:19 PM

Sometimes listed with these songs is "You Got To Move," by Lizzie Miles (1930s); with different subject matter. Her song deals with dysfunctional interpersonal relationship between two people.


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Subject: I Shall Not Be Moved, Ackley 1908
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 May 09 - 01:58 PM

I Shall Not Be Moved appeared in print in 1908, copyright renewed by Rodeheaver Company, 1936 and later. The date of composition is usually cited as 1906.
The lyrics are by Alfred H. Ackley (1887-1960), "Hymns for His Praise No. 2," and are as I posted them 18 Feb 07.

The song with the verse "As a tree beside the water" originated with Ackley; different from the songs "You Got to Move' and the 'Union' song.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: You Gots to Move
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 02 May 09 - 06:36 PM

Certainly one of the best recordings ever made of this song was "You've Got to Move" by the Two Gospel Keys, recorded in New York, Asch AA1, 1946. They were in their 60s at the time.

The Keys were Emma Daniels, vocal and guitar, and Mother Sally Jones, vocal and tambourine. For sheer raw excitement those two were hard to beat. From Atlanta, Georgia, they were found singing on the streets of New York. Every one of their 17 recordings is outstanding. They were reissued on CD -- Document DOCD-5221 -- which also includes the amazing Sister O. M. Terrell.

They deserve to be a whole lot better known.

Bob

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOrXSDFDK94


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