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GUEST,Steven 17 Jan 02 - 10:32 PM
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Subject: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?)
From: GUEST,Steven
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 10:32 PM

Does anyone know where a copy of this late 18th? century work exists, and has it been reprinted in our century? Very curious, thanks, Steven


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Subject: RE: Help: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?)
From: Naemanson
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 10:34 PM

Steven, there are a couple of Dibdin's songs in the book One Hundred English Songs published originally by Cecil Sharp. I don't know about the work you mentioned but I shall follow this thread with considerable interest.


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Subject: RE: Help: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?)
From: masato sakurai
Date: 18 Jan 02 - 02:46 AM

"Tom Bowling" may be most famous. The lyrics and discussions are at these threads:

Tune Req: Tom Bowling - Eureka!

Lyr Req: Johnny's Gone Aloft

~Masato


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Subject: RE: Help: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?)
From: masato sakurai
Date: 18 Jan 02 - 03:03 AM

P.S. See Leslie Nelson's The Contemplator's Short Biography of Charles Dibdin. There's a book: SEA-SONGS by Charles Dibdin (Collected and Arranged with a Memoir by T. Dibdin with twelve illustrations by George Cruikshank) (Click here).


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Subject: RE: Help: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?)
From: Charley Noble
Date: 18 Jan 02 - 08:44 AM

I have a copy of the 3rd edition, 1854, entitled SONGS OF THE LATE CHARLES DIBDIN, with lovely illustrations by G. Cruikshank ("Saturday Night at Sea" being one of the more copied ones), and additional songs by his son and grandson. My copy surfaced on the internet site Bookfinder.com

If you're looking for a particular song, I'd be happy to look it up.


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Subject: RE: Help: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?)
From: Snuffy
Date: 18 Jan 02 - 09:19 AM

Do I recall that Hugill was quite contemptuous of Dibdin's efforts - something like " I suppose that's all you can expect from someone who never went to sea"?


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Subject: RE: Help: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?)
From: Charley Noble
Date: 18 Jan 02 - 10:27 AM

Snuffy, Hugill could well said something like that. Many of the "sea songs" were composed for parlor singing, some made it into taverns, some were sold on the streets as "Broadsides", and some did make it out to sea and came back vastly improved by folk-processing. I'm still in the process of reviewing his songs, none of which note any tunes, but so far I haven't found any that are compelling candidates for singing. The steel engravings, however, are superb. Apparently Didbin wrote more than 1300 songs, and his sons over twice that.


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Subject: RE: Help: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?)
From: GUEST,steven
Date: 23 Jan 02 - 09:48 PM

Thanks for the replies, it helps me greatly with my research.


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Subject: RE: Help: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?)
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 24 Jan 02 - 06:25 AM

If anyone's interested in "Parlour" sea-songs try getting hold of a copy of Ashton's "Real Sailor's Songs" (the word "Real" is somewhat of a misnomer), John Foreman produced a re-print of it about 20 years ago. It's basically a set of bound broadsheets and besides the songs a great source for wood-cut illustrations. I don't think there's any Dibdin in it though. Mind you I also once heard Stan say that he thought some sailors did write the odd song to sell on the shore - a bit like musical scrimshaw !


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Subject: RE: Help: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?)
From: nutty
Date: 24 Jan 02 - 06:37 AM

If you look for Dibdin in the Bodleian Broadsides there are hundreds of references

BODLEIAN LIBRARY


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Subject: RE: Help: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?)
From: nutty
Date: 24 Jan 02 - 06:40 AM

I should also have said ........
follow the link ..... choose "browse"......... choose the index to show "author/performer ............. enter "Dibdin" ............click on "show index" .........


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Subject: RE: Help: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?)
From: Charley Noble
Date: 24 Jan 02 - 01:39 PM

The last time I reviewed Ashton's Real Sailor Songs I did find a Dibdin song or two. Most of these songs would be best described as "broadsides," song sheets that were sold to anyone wandering the streets of "sailortown." What was interesting to me was to see what some songs looked like before they were adopted by sailors and folk-processed. Ashton's book, original "working" copies as well as reprints are still available at Bookfinder.com for not unreasonable sums.


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Subject: RE: Help: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?)
From: GUEST,Chanteymatt
Date: 24 Jan 02 - 02:56 PM

Hey, folks! thanks for the references. I was wondering where to find some Dibdin. Now, if I can just get it to stay lit....


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Subject: RE: Help: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?)
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 24 Jan 02 - 10:00 PM

G'day,

Snuffy said, above: Do I recall that Hugill was quite contemptuous of Dibdin's efforts - something like " I suppose that's all you can expect from someone who never went to sea"?

Hmmmm ... one of his clan must have done some sailing - I work, here in Sydney, with a Vietnamese lady, of that surname, who surpised me by telling me that she is one of his descendants!

Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: Help: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?)
From: Charley Noble
Date: 25 Jan 02 - 03:10 PM

Drat! Someone scoffed up all the John Ashton inexpensive reprints of Real Sailor Songs on Bookfinder.com before I got mine.

Cheers to you, Bob!


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Subject: RE: Help: Dibdin's Naval Airs
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 12 Oct 10 - 11:58 PM

Wikipedia says: "Dibdin's patriotic sea-songs (painting the simple loyalty and manly courage of the British sailor) and their melodious refrains powerfully influenced the national spirit and were officially appropriated to the use of the British navy during the war with France."

Although I have found several references in various works to "Dibdin's Naval Airs," there seems to be no publication with that exact title.

This may be useful:

Sea Songs and Ballads by Dibdin and Others (London: Bell and Daldy, 1865). Unfortunately, it contains lyrics only, no musical notation.

CONTENTS.

A Dose for the Dons
A Drop of the Creature
A History of the War
A Sailor's Apology for Bow Legs
A Sailor's Ditty
A Salt Eel for Mynheer
A Wet Sheet and a Flowing Sea
All's One to Jack
All's Well
At Sea
Ben Backstay
Ben Block
Ben Block
Ben Bolt
Bill Bobstay
Billy Moore
Black-Eyed Susan
Bleak Was the Morn
Blow High, Blow Low
Blow, Boreas, Blow
Bonny Kate
Britannia's Name
British Sailors Have a Knack
Brother Jack
Bryan and Pereene
Buxom Nan
Change for a Guinea
Charming Kitty
Childe Harold's Song
Come If You Dare
Come, Bustle, Bustle
Comely Ned
Constancy
Davy Jones's Locker
Deep in the Orlop's Darksome Shade
Drear, Dark, and Dreadful Low'red the Sky
Dublin Bay
Duke William's Ramble
Duncan and Victory
Each Bullet Has Its Commission
Each His Own Pilot
England's Dead
English Ale
Every Bullet Has Its Billet
Every Inch a Sailor
Far, Far upon the Sea
Foretop Morality
Gallant Tom
Grieving's a Folly
Grog and Girls
Happy Jerry
Hark! the Boatswain
Harry Bluff
Hearts of Oak
Heaving of the Lead
Honesty in Tatters
Hurrah for England
I Sail'd in the Terrible Frigate
I Went to Sea
Jack Anchor
Jack at Greenwich
Jack at the Opera
Jack at the Windlass
Jack Come Home
Jack Ratlin
Jack's Advice to His Friend
Jack's Alive
Jack's Claim to Poll
Jack's Fidelity
Jack's Gratitude
Jervis for Ever
Lash'd to the Helm
Life's a Troubled Sea
Life's like a Ship
Life's Weather Gauge
Little Ben
Loose Every Sail to the Breeze
Loss of the Royal George
Lovely Nan
Lovely Polly
Love's Probation
Magnanimity
Moorings
Musing on the Roaring Ocean
My Poll and My Partner Joe
Nancy
Nancy and Home
Nancy Dear
Nanine, or the Emigrant
Nature and Nancy
Nelson and Warren
Nothing like Grog
Now Safe Moor'd
Oh! Firm as Oak
Old England's Wooden Walls
One
Our Country Is Our Ship, D'ye See
Peaceful Slumb'ring on the Ocean
Poor Ben
Poor Jack
Poor Joe the Marine
Poor Shipwreck'd Tar
Poor Tom
Rock'd in the Cradle of the Deep
Roll, Liquid Mountains, Roll
Rule Britannia
Saturday Night at Sea
Sea Fight at Malago
Since, Jack, Thou Art a Seaman's Son
Slinging the Bowl
Song
Song
Song
Song of the Sea-Fight in Amboyna
Sounding the Bowl
Steady She Goes, All's Well
Still from Care and Thinking Free
Sweethearts and Wives
Swizzy
Tack and Half Tack
Tack and Tack
The Albion
The Anchor A-Peak
The Anchor's Weighed
The Arethusa
The Arrival of Nelson's Corpse
The Battle of La Hogue, or Russell's Triumph
The Battle of the Baltic
The Bay of Biscay
The Best Bower Anchor
The Blind Sailor
The Boy in Blue
The Brave Old Temeraire
The British Flag Flies at the Main
The Busy Crew
The Cabin Boy
The Canary Bird
The Carfindo
The Death of Nelson
The Death of Nelson
The Exile's Farewell
The Flowing Can
The Flying Dutchman
The Forecastle Man
The Girl Ashore
The Good Ship the Kitty
The Greenwich Pensioner
The Heart of a Tar
The Insulted Sailor
The Irish Sailor
The Jolly Young Waterman
The Land, Boys, We Live In
The Last Shilling
The Letter N
The Look Out
The Lugger
The Mariner's Dream
The Mariner's Glee
The Mariner's Song
The Mid-Watch
The Minute Gun
The Nancy
The Neglected Tar
The Old Commodore
The Origin of Gunpowder
The Pilot
The Pilot
The Post-Captain
The Press Gang
The Pride of the Ocean
The Return of the Admiral
The Reward of Fidelity
The Sailor
The Sailor
The Sailor's Adieu
The Sailor's Bring Up
The Sailor's Consolation
The Sailor's Dirge
The Sailor's Dream
The Sailor's Funeral
The Sailor's Journal
The Sailor's Lady
The Sailor's Lament for the Sea
The Sailor's Maxim
The Sailor's Request
The Sailor's Sheet Anchor
The Sailor's Will
The Sapling
The Sea Fight
The Sea, the Sea
The Sea-King
The Shannon and Chesapeake
The Ship on Fire
The Shipwreck
The Signal to Engage
The Snug Little Island
The Spanish Armada
The Standing Toast
The Storm
The Stormy Petrel
The Tar of All Weathers
The Tizzies
The Token
The Veteran in Retirement
The Veterans
The Victory of Trafalgar
The Voyage of Life
The War Is Over
The White Squall
The Wife
The Wreck
Three Cheers
Three Fishers Went Sailing
Tight Lads of the Ocean
To All You Ladies Now at Land
To My Messmates at Sea
Tom Bowling
Tom Tackle Was Poor
Tom Tough
Tom Truelove's Knell
Topsails Shiver in the Wind
True Courage
True English Sailor
'Twas When the Seas Were Roaring
Wapping Old Stairs
We Conquer, Dear Girls, But for You
Well It's No Worse
What If the Sailor Boldly Goes
When In War on the Ocean
When Last from the Straits
When Last in the Dreadful
While up the Shrouds
Whistling Dick
Who Cares
Will Watch
Ye Free-Born Sons
Ye Gentlemen of England
Ye Mariners of England
Yo, Heave, Ho


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Subject: RE: Help: Dibdin's Naval Airs
From: A Wandering Minstrel
Date: 13 Oct 10 - 08:04 AM

There are performances of at least 3 Dibdin songs on Strawheads "Sweethearts Salts and Sailors" CD:

Tom Tough,
Yo Heave Ho
and
The Lass that loved a Sailor.


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Subject: RE: Help: Dibdin's Naval Airs
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Oct 10 - 08:20 AM

Jim-

I'm surprised there's not a scanned version available on-line by now. But your song title list is a great advance.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Help: Dibdin's Naval Airs
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 13 Oct 10 - 09:14 AM

Here's another book that is viewable online (at least in the US):

The Songs of Charles Dibdin, Chronologically Arranged, with Notes, Historical, Biographical, and Critical; and the Music of the Best and Most Popular of the Melodies, with new Piano-Forte Accompaniments

Vol. I. (London: How & Parsons, 1842). - None of the songs in this volume have musical notation.

Vol II. (London: G. H. Davidson, 1848). – Some songs have music.

SONGS TO WHICH THE MUSIC IS GIVEN.

TITLE. - FIRST LINE.
A Little - Wid mi Lor' Anglois I came over un valet
Advice - Old Mary, her poor husband dead
All Girls - No more of waves and winds the spurt
All's One to Jack - Though mountains high the billows roll
Anna, Anne, Nan, Nance, or Nancy - My love's a vessel trim and gay
Anne Hatheawaye - Would ye be taughte, ye feather'd thronge
Bottom; or, Tol de Rol - Of all the lives that e'er was liv'd
Broken Gold - Two real lovers, with one heart
Captain Wattle - Did you ever hear of Captain Wattle?
Change for a Guinea - Jack Binnacle met with an old shipmate
Cheap Experience - I were but in our village a country clown
Clemency - Say, soldier, which of glory's charms
Echo - When from the glowing blush of morn
Every Man's Friend - Come, all jolly topers! the toast as ye pass
Father, and Mother, and Suke - Says my father, says he, one day, to I
Gallant Tom - It blew great guns, when gallant Tom
Grizzle - 'Twas one morning in May, the weather but queer
Jack at Greenwich - We tars are all for fun and glee
Jack Junk - 'Twas one day at Wapping, his dangers o'erhauling
Jack's Advice to His Friend - Why, Tom, thou'rt a seaman; and may ev'ry wind
Jack's Alive - Sweet Nancy Nouse and Jack Jibboom
Jack's Claim to Poll - Would'st know, my lad, why ev'ry tar
Jack's Fidelity - If ever a sailor was fond of good sport
Jacky and the Cow - There were Farmer Thrasher, and he had a cow
Kickaraboo - Poor Negro say one ting,—you no take offence
Life like a Troubled Sea - This life is like a troubled sea
Life's Weather-Gauge - I'm for Tom Tiller's golden maxim
Love at Fifty - When I told you your cheeks wore the blush of the rose
Lovely Nan - Sweet is the ship, that, under sail
Love's Probation - 'Tis said, that love, the more 'tis tried
Mad Peg - The gloomy night stalk'd slow away
Magnanimity - When once the din of war's begun
Meg of Wapping - 'Twas Landlady Meg that made such rare flip
Moorings - 'I've heard,' cried out one, 'that you tars tack and tack'
Mounseer Nongtongpaw - John Bull, for pastime, took a prance
Mrs. Runnington's Wig - Mistress Runnington wore a wig
Nancy - You ask how it comes that I sing about Nancy
Nancy Dear - Why should the sailor take a wife
Nancy's the Name - One Shakspeare, a bard and a poet of fame
Nature and Nancy - Let swabs, with their vows, their palaver, and lies
Ned That Died at Sea - Give ear to me, both high and low
No Good without an Exception - The world's a good thing; ah! how sweet and delicious
One - Up the Mediterranean
Philanthropy - Tell me not of men's follies, their whims and caprices
Poll and My Partner Joe - I was, d'ye see, a waterman
Pope Joan - The board is dress'd, come deal away
Rational Vanity - Man, poor fork'd animal, why art thou vain?
Second Thoughts Are Best - 'I never shall survive it,' cried Lumkin in despair
Smiles and Tears - The weather, the land, and all those that dwell in it
Tack and Half-Tack - The Yarmouth Roads are right a-head
The Advantages of Toping - Some say topers should never get mellow
The Anchorsmiths - Like Etna's dread volcano, see the ample forge
The Barber's Shop - 'Twas Saturday night; six went the clock
The Best Bower Anchor - I have oftentimes thought it a wondersome thing
The Can of Grog - While up the shrouds the sailor goes
The Flowing Bowl - Of all Heav'n gave to comfort man
The Irish Wake - Life's as like as can be to an Irish Wake
The Irish Wedding - Sure won't you hear what roaring cheer
The Labourer's Welcome Home - The ploughman whistles o'er the furrow
The Lady's Diary - Lectur'd by Pa and Ma o'er night
The Last Shilling - As pensive one night in my garret I sat
The Look-Out - Old Cunwell, the pilot, for many a year
The Lover - Long by some fair one was I trick'd
The Nancy - Mayhap you have heard that as dear as their lives
The Nautical Anatomist - Jack Jigger, a curious and whimsical tar
The Perpetual Motion - Lord help you poor lubbers ashore
The Sailor's Defence - If tars of their money are lavish
The Sailor's Journal - 'Twas post meridian half-past four
The Sailor's Lesson - Since, Jack, thou'rt a seaman's son
The Sailor's Maxim - Of us tars 'tis reported, again and again
The Sailor's Will - The network stow'd with hammocks all
The Sapling - In either eye a ling'ring tear
The Sheepshearers - Our sheepshearing over, surround the gay board
The Shipwreck'd Tar - Escap'd with life in tatters
The Soldier's Farewell and Return - Though hard the valiant soldier's life
The Soldier's Funeral - The martial pomp, the mournful train
The Spectre - Cosmelia the fair, of the virtues the care
The Tear of Sensibility - When to man the distinguishing form
The Thrasher; or, A Jug of Brown Ale - Can any king be half so great
The Token - The breeze was fresh, the ship in stays
The Veteran in Retirement - Though laid up in port, and not outward bound
The Veterans - Dick Dock, a tar at Greenwich moor'd
The War is Over - Come, come, my lads! the war is o'er
The Welcome - What if the Sailor boldly goes
The Wig Gallery - Walk in, walk in! each beau and belle
The Wind and the Rain - All nature was sportive, serene was the morning
Three Cheers - When to weigh the boatswain's calling
Tol de Rol - I went to sea all so fearlessly
Tom Tackle - Tom Tackle was noble, was true to his word
Tom Tough; or, Yo Heave Ho! - My name, d'ye see,'s Tom Tough; I've zeed a little service
Tom Truelove's Knell - Tom Truelove woo'd the sweetest fair
True Courage - Why, what's that to you if my eyes I'm a wiping
Tue Cornish Miners - Why, measter, damn tha! whoa beest thee?
Variety in One - In one shouldst find variety
Water-Cresses - Jack come home, his pockets lin'd
Who Cares? - If lubberly landsmen, to gratitude strangers


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Subject: RE: Help: Dibdin's Naval Airs
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Oct 10 - 03:44 PM

The volume Sea Songs and Ballads by Dibdin and Others, linked by Jim Dixon Oct 12 2010, properly credits the songs of Thomas and Charles jr., rather than lumping the three together. It also notes those of Thomas D. that were set to music by Braham.

The authors also are properly credited in Songs of Charles Dibdin by Thomas Dibdin (addena of songs by Thomas and Charles jr.). Also on line by google.

Several anthologies of sea songs credit only Charles sr. for songs by all three.


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Subject: RE: Help: Dibdin's Naval Airs
From: Artful Codger
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 05:40 AM

Jim, thanks so much for pointing out that Volume 2 has music, and listing the songs there with music. When I looked at the first volume and found no tunes, I didn't bother to go further. I've been wanting to find more Dibdin songs with tunes; given his former popularity, it's rather disappointing to find so few of the tunes available online in any form (dots, ABCs, MIDIs or clips). These may mostly be operatic, stage or parlor songs, but he knew how to crank out good tunes.


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Subject: RE: Help: Dibdin's Naval Airs
From: Charley Noble
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 08:13 AM

Jim-

It's great to have so many tunes for the Dibdens's lyrics now available on-line. Now if we could only persuade someone to record MP3 samples of each, those of us who are still musically illiterate could more fully appreciate them. That actually would be a great project.

I'd love to hear what the tune of "The Veterans - Dick Dock, a tar at Greenwich moor'd" is, for example; it was printed in my 1854 edition with a great graphic by George Cruikshank.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Help: Dibdin's Naval Airs
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 08:38 AM

You'll find my stab at Tom Bowling, here


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Subject: RE: Help: Dibdin's Naval Airs
From: EBarnacle
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 11:44 AM

John, the melody you use is very similar to but smoother than the version used by John Townley in his album, "Top Hits of 1776."


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Subject: RE: Help: Dibdin's Naval Airs
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 01:40 PM

Charley look at the illustration on the broadsheet at the Bodleian, Harding B 10(17), dated 1806. Interesting!
"The Veterans" here titled "Dick Dock."
Also Titled "Dick Dock" or "Lobster & Crab."
Sometimes the broadsheets indicate a tune, but none here (three different printings on line at the Bodleian).


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Subject: RE: Help: Dibdin's Naval Airs
From: Charley Noble
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 11:22 PM

Q-

Could you provide a link to Bodleian, Harding B 10(17), dated 1806. I'm getting totally lost in the on-line Bodleian files.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Help: Dibdin's Naval Airs
From: Artful Codger
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 04:56 PM

Will some Mudelf kindly fix my italic closure above (http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=43227#3007588) and delete this message? Thanks, I don't like to lean for excessive periods.


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Subject: RE: Help: Dibdin's Naval Airs
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 11:11 PM

Charlie, I quit trying to link the Bodleian that way!
Get the Bodleian site-
Bodleian

Then Click on Browse/Search. That brings up Browse index. Type in Dick Dock and the three broadsheets come up on the list. Then click on "Dick Dock or the Lobster and the Crab" and - dick's your uncle, as the English say.


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