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Subject: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: 53 Date: 20 Jan 02 - 12:37 AM i heard on the radio today that if you are 35 pounds over weight you are considered obese, hmmmmmnnn. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: khandu Date: 20 Jan 02 - 12:50 AM What about 35 lbs. underweight? khandu |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: wysiwyg Date: 20 Jan 02 - 12:54 AM No Bob, if you are 35 pounds over weight you are considered a Mudcatter, and not only a Mudcatter but a candidate to join a band of lookalikes that includes Mmario, Big Mick, and I forget who the third crony is. If you look around in the Member Photos section you will find several comfy-looking folkies looking back at you. ~Not Built for Speed |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: RangerSteve Date: 20 Jan 02 - 07:01 AM Technically, Arnold Schwarzeneger (sp?) is overweight. So we're in good company. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Rick Fielding Date: 20 Jan 02 - 11:22 AM Look, lets say you're a rocker playin a small club...20 fans show up. Disaster! empty room, angry promoter, depressed band.... Now when you're a folkie, and 20 people show up...THE ROOM SEEMS FULL! Everyone's happy! Just like an old time country audience but with fewer rhinestones! Fat Folkies make fine fans. Cheers Rick (only 20 pounds overweight..therefore a positively boney folkie) |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: brid widder Date: 20 Jan 02 - 01:06 PM You can't get too much of a good woman! |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: CarolC Date: 20 Jan 02 - 01:11 PM BOB, I just wanted you to know something. I'm feeling a lot of pain right now over the loss of a dear friend. Looking over the thread titles just now, I couldn't see anything that I wanted to open up and read. Then I saw the title for this thread. I just wanted you to know that I love it and I think it's poetry. Thanks for bringing a smile to my face on this, a very sad day. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: wysiwyg Date: 20 Jan 02 - 01:12 PM Hugs, Carol. Write (PM) if you want to talk about it. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: swirlygirl Date: 20 Jan 02 - 01:13 PM Only 28 more pounds to go then and I can be a Mudcatter...yay! Roll on the ice cream!! :) xxx |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Clinton Hammond Date: 20 Jan 02 - 01:36 PM 35 pounds overweight according to what scale? |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: GUEST Date: 20 Jan 02 - 02:50 PM Hmmm, 53's obese, somewhat stupid, and politically naive Guess what? He's an American! |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: fat B****rd Date: 20 Jan 02 - 02:58 PM Only 35 pounds ?? I'm doomed !! Sorry to hear of your friend, Carol C. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Little Hawk Date: 20 Jan 02 - 03:02 PM So where does this leave me? I'm underweight. Always have been. Yet I am a folkie. What could the explanation be for this extraordinary juxtaposition? I am reminded of an argument Bob Dylan had with some reporter back in the 60's. He kept insisting that he was not a folk singer and that he played neither folk nor folk rock, although the reporter wanted to talk to him about precisely those subjects. He ended by saying something like: "When I hear the words 'folk music' I think of a room full of fat people sitting around playing guitars." Looks like nothing much has changed in the last 40 years, eh? :-) - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Paul from Hull Date: 20 Jan 02 - 03:02 PM Well, GUEST, I'm sure we are all grateful for your input. Any other brilliant & unique insights youre willing to grace us with? |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Liz the Squeak Date: 20 Jan 02 - 03:12 PM Guess that makes me Queen of Mudcat then!!! I've been being good all year and put on 6lbs! (good means not eating the chocolate motorbike in one sitting). LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: 53 Date: 20 Jan 02 - 03:19 PM i just went out today and bought me some larger drawers and some larger jeans, so i can fit my fat ass in them, and by the way rick i weigh 184 but i've gained 20 pounds since november of 2000 when i had to quit my job due to my illness, i have a meeting with my attorney tomorrow, and hopefully he's heard something about my disability claim, if we don't get something going soon, there won't be any need for other things just an urn. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: 53 Date: 20 Jan 02 - 03:21 PM Carol C. i'm glad that i was able to spread a little joy into your life at this time, i hope things will get better for you soon. BOB AND GLENDA |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: 53 Date: 20 Jan 02 - 03:22 PM Paul from HUll, thanks for running a little interference for me with that so called guest, i really appreciate it. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Paul from Hull Date: 20 Jan 02 - 03:28 PM No prob. friend. .....& I hope the meeting goes well tomorrow, & that you come back to us with some good news. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: 53 Date: 20 Jan 02 - 03:33 PM thanks man, i;ll let you all know just as soon as i get home. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: swirlygirl Date: 20 Jan 02 - 04:39 PM Do you think 112 pounds is too much to weigh at 5 feet tall? :o) xxx |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Rick Fielding Date: 20 Jan 02 - 05:37 PM I just checked with "HealthCanada" and it would appear that I'm actually 30-35 pounds over weight. I think they must be joking. Someone six feet tall SHOULD only weigh 178 pounds? That's ridiculous. I stepped on the scale and I'm tipping it at a sylph-like 215. Hell, Mick has a LEG that weighs more than that! Rick |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Cap't Bob Date: 20 Jan 02 - 07:12 PM Actually Big Mick is a lite weight. I doubt if he weigh over three bongs. They don't call me ballast BOB for nothing. Last time I checked I weighed in at five bongs. (??? the 300 lb scales goes to the top and then makes the sound ~ bong ~ bong ~ bong ~ bong ~ bong~) Cap't Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: GUEST Date: 20 Jan 02 - 07:22 PM Dear Paul in Hull, There was a good deal of truth in what I said. Is your arguement against what I said, or the fact that I couldn't be bothered to give myself a 'nom de plume'? Curious to know |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Bill D Date: 20 Jan 02 - 07:42 PM gratuitous insults and public attempts to embarrass or harass someone who is doing you NO harm reflects a personality with more problems than those you are trying to make fun of. ....if you think that anonymous insults makes YOU look smart & superior, you are VERY sadly mistaken. If you just get off on being arrogant and tasteless,....well, nothing we can say will cure THAT infirmity! |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Ebbie Date: 20 Jan 02 - 07:46 PM LOL, Cap't Bob! |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Bill D Date: 20 Jan 02 - 07:49 PM (I sometimes comfort myself with an image of a nameless 'guest' who bad-mouths everyone who does not meet his standards being 'outed', like Dorothy yanking the curtain open on the Wizard of OZ.....would LOVE to see the squirming and protesting!....but, hey...I'm just an old curmudgeon with an attitude...*grin*) |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: GUEST Date: 20 Jan 02 - 07:50 PM FACT Bob '53' isn't the world's brightest ma FACT He is quite fat FACT He is an American FACT His political views have little basis in fact FACT He continually posts to threads with the wonderfully informative "I don't know"
Thank you Bob. Thank you America. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Rolfyboy6 Date: 20 Jan 02 - 07:51 PM "I ain't no fool, I don't want no woman with no skinny legs"--Joe Tex. 'Nuff said. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Little Hawk Date: 20 Jan 02 - 08:04 PM LOL! I'm taking no sides in this latest mudslinging match...but I can't help but laugh about it! I have just checked the scales and I weigh...127. That's with my shoes and clothes and wallet and change (which probably weigh 5 or 6 pounds). I'm 5' 10" tall. Seems like I must have gained a little weight, anyway, cos I used to weigh around 118. How about that. I'm still not overweight, though. I would venture to say that CarolC is also not overweight, but we are both folkies...so there ya go. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 20 Jan 02 - 08:06 PM But remember when some bloke started a thread onthe themes of American being fat it turned into a flame war of sorts, and it suggested it was the most terrible insult.
I can't see much difference between body size and show size. It's just the way you are, some are fat and some are thin, and some can't seem to decide which they are.
Mind 35lbs is a hell of a lot to lug around in a shopping bad. You have to be pretty fit to be comfortably fat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: BanjoRay Date: 20 Jan 02 - 08:09 PM Guest doesn't even seem to know what his own name is. Cheers |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: GUEST Date: 20 Jan 02 - 08:15 PM Thank you, BanjoRay Your great intelligence humbles me I am not worthy to share the same planet as someone of such wisdom as you |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Bill D Date: 20 Jan 02 - 08:26 PM "I am not worthy to share the same planet as someone of such wisdom as you" ....amen |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Little Hawk Date: 20 Jan 02 - 09:05 PM Such humility is rarely seen on the Internet. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Hollowfox Date: 20 Jan 02 - 09:22 PM Capt Bob, I hate to tell you, but you're not standing on the scales, you're standing on a parlor clock. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 20 Jan 02 - 09:53 PM "I can't see much difference between body size and show size."
That should of course have been "I can't see much difference between body size and shoe size." In case I mystified anybody. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: 53 Date: 20 Jan 02 - 10:42 PM bear in mind that this is what i heard on a radio show and i'm just posting it ,so that others can see and be aware of what the world thinks is fat. at 184 pounds i think that i'm fat, and i think that i'll get even fatter, so what the hell, eat, drink, and be merry. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: 53 Date: 20 Jan 02 - 10:52 PM another thing that i read in the newspaper, is that the heavier you are, the more you fart, just think about all that intestine you have to hold the shit in your body. makes sense to me. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Chip2447 Date: 21 Jan 02 - 12:24 AM HMMMMM. Being overweight by 35 pounds makes me obese. Fair enough. Any of you "UNDERWEIGHT" mudcatters, let me know I can sponser about about 120 pounds worth of surrogate tonnage to get you into that comfy folkie zone. Chip2447 (approaching 21 stones, american and my politics really suck)...BTW, I'm the perfect weight for my height, if I were 8 feet tall... |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: catspaw49 Date: 21 Jan 02 - 12:50 AM Geeziz Hawk! 127??? Hell man, my dick weighs 127!!! Hey Rick....I can't figure the charts either but I know I'm up too damn high. I was at 225 at Niagra and now I'm at 241 (6 pounds down since January 1---I'm in a contest with Hippie Chick). AND GUEST TURNIP......Lemmee tell ya' something.....We are fat because we can afford to buy tons of food and grow even more! We are Americans dammit and generations of our ancestors have come here and fought and died for the right to fuck-over the rest of the world! We waste more food than most nations produce and we really don't care. We keep our thermostats set at 75 in the winter and 65 in the summer because we can produce and buy more energy than any other ten countries combined! We drive gas-guzzling SUV's, RV's, vans, and high performance sports and luxury cars because our gas is still cheap and even though we bitch about it, we'll keep buying it because we can and because we're Americans and wouldn't be caught dead in some of those pissant little tiny foreign cars. As a matter of fact, all of our foreign imports consume more gas in their American setup than they do in their home country! We're fat and we need some of those big cars and SUV's to be able to get in and drive to the grocery so we can haul back enough food to get our families through a week...except for the parts we throw away...although it would feed half the third world for a month. Now....I've admitted it! What a load off my mind.....I feel so much better now Guest!!! And you should too because you're right!! Now take this buck and go out and buy a coke to go with that smile and shut the fuck up!!
............fockin' dumbass cocksucker............Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Liz the Squeak Date: 21 Jan 02 - 02:12 AM Hell man, my dick weighs 127!!! Spaw - is that grammes or ounces? Genetics proves that fatter people survive lean conditions better. All you skinny bits out there wouldn't survive more than 3 months into the winter if you didn't have central heating and thermal vests.... it's the middle of winter and I'm still wandering around in thin shirts and sandals in Britain!!! And I've only had one cold!! So THHHhhhssssssssssssppppp!! to you Skinny Bints!! LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: GUEST Date: 21 Jan 02 - 03:16 AM And I've only had one cold!! will you be boasting quite so much after a heart attack??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Peg Date: 21 Jan 02 - 10:13 AM It is my understanding that stress (perhaps caused by bitterness and anger) is a much more common cause of sudden heart attack than being overweight...so, American-hating GUEST, you seem to be in more imminent danger than the jolly and centered folks here who are carrying a few extra pounds...
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Paul from Hull Date: 21 Jan 02 - 10:28 AM Well, I think we have all misjudged this particular GUEST, especially yourself 'Spaw.... he's considerate enough to care about your well-being even after your post to him. *G* Funny how the 'health issue' always gets trotted out by those who see overweight people as a good target for their dysfunctional attacks. (I'm actually NOT overweight by this criteria, but I think I certainly LOOK it......well, around the middle anyhow) |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: 53 Date: 21 Jan 02 - 10:58 AM i'm opn my way to the grocery store today and i will start my slim fast diet tomorrow. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: 53 Date: 21 Jan 02 - 10:59 AM i'm on my way to the grocery store today and i will start my slim fast diet tomorrow. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: GUEST,Desdemona Date: 21 Jan 02 - 11:02 AM I think "Guest" is probably feeling so cranky because s/he's hungry & needs a nice, hearty meal! NB---neither am I "overweight" by these standards, but wouldn't it cut down the fun in life substantially if you denied yourself the enjoyment of yummy food? Our cultural standards have led us to a place where something like half of all 10 year old girls consider themselves "too fat", and worry about their weight when they should be climbing trees and playing with their friends. This is progress?! |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Paul from Hull Date: 21 Jan 02 - 11:07 AM By the way, GUEST (the one that asked me "Is your arguement against what I said, or the fact that I couldn't be bothered to give myself a 'nom de plume'?") Which do YOU think? Do you REALLY think that I'm more offended by your anonimity (even with your reasons for it) than I am by the fact that youre pointlessly slagging people off? Well....possibly you do.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Little Hawk Date: 21 Jan 02 - 12:09 PM Are you suggesting that I am insubstantial, Spaw? Well, I don't think that a 127 gram willy is anything to go around boasting about...sounds pretty unimpressive to me. Anyway, there are advantages to being thin... If you see someone coming and want to avoid their notice, you just turn sideways, and they will pass by without seeing you. More thin people can pack into a phone booth, thus setting a higher record for so doing, which is the whole point of the exercise. Thin people can walk on thin ice without falling through (usually). Ditto for the crust on deep snow. Thin people can sit on rickety chairs without trepidation. Thin people can squeeze through small apertures with ease. Thin people make good hang-glider pilots. Thin people can handle hot climates much better...which makes me wonder why the hell I was born in Canada! I should've been a Cuban or a Mexican or something like that. I could go on and on about this, but I don't want to make you feel any more insecure than I know you already do, cos I'm a compassionate, sensitive, and caring guy, so I'm gonna stop right now! - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: GUEST,Desdemona Date: 21 Jan 02 - 12:21 PM That's might BIG of you, LH ;~) ! I'm sure we're all ideal examples of our various sizes...indeed, the very distillation of personal size perfection! Gee, d'you know---I'm hungry!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 21 Jan 02 - 12:50 PM People do seem to be very bulk conscious. What's the big deal about it?
I suppose in a famine fat people last longer. Unless someone decides they'd make good eating...
The sad thing is, I gather that even in Tonga people are starting to worry about being over weight. I remember when the King of Tonga visited Harlow in the course of a trip to England. Very imposing.
Here is a link to a site all about Sumo, which is a sport that values bulk - the link should open on one of the few Americans who are competitors. I'm surprised the Americans don't seem to have taken to Sumo in a big way. There was a team of English Sumo wrestlers a couple of years ago, but I think they failed to quite get the idea. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: swirlygirl Date: 21 Jan 02 - 02:15 PM I can assure you that you don't fart more the heavier you are...ask EJ and he'll tell you I could win competitions! It's all what you eat and being veggie and eating lots of beans and lentils and stuff...well...you can imagine... And who really cares anyway??!! As long as you feel fine then what the hell...you die young at least you've enjoyed life...now where's that Ben and Jerry's half-baked ice cream... :) xxx |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: CarolC Date: 21 Jan 02 - 02:23 PM I think we should talk about short people for a while now. I'm really, really short. Shall I tell you how short I am? I'm five feet and three quarters of an inch. I get my revenge on tall people (for putting things way up high where I can't see them) by leaving the car seat pushed all the way forward so they can't even get into the car. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: GUEST,Desdemona Date: 21 Jan 02 - 02:39 PM My mother is 5' tall, and haseveloped the most ingenious ways of reaching things that have been placed up high, involving long wooedn spoons, brooms, etc. The funny thing is that in even in adulthood we're all still essentially intimidated by her: I suppose that's the key....to make them afraid while they're small, helpless & dependent upon you for food! |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: swirlygirl Date: 21 Jan 02 - 02:42 PM Well CarolC I can claim to be shorter than you at a mere 5 feet and no inches! I get my revenge by always pushing my way to the front at busy gigs as I'm too wee to see otherwise! I liKe being short, but I hate the way that all petite clothes are made for midgets, just that bit too short, or just that bit too long so you have to wear heels...I'M PROUD OF MY SHORT STATUS!! I DON'T WANT TO WEAR HEELS ALL THE GODDAMN TIME! Grrrr... :) xxx |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: GUEST,Desdemona Date: 21 Jan 02 - 02:51 PM I'm 5'4" & generally treated as if I'm a midget or something; I hear you about the "petite" clothes---what I find is that the arms are usually too short, or the proportions just don't seem quite right. On the other hand, "ordinary" (I hesitate to use the word "normal"!) sizes require one to have everything hemmed, or be condemned to wearing heels all ther time. Sigh....the under-reported challenges and tribulations faced every day by the "vertically challenged"....! |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: CarolC Date: 21 Jan 02 - 03:02 PM ...and maybe here's the lesson in all of this. My friend, whose death is causing me so much pain right now... I know a lot of important things about him. I know that he was a beautiful human being. I know that he was loving, kind, funny, playful, wise, eloquent, incredibly smart (maybe even brilliant), and all kinds of other things that I'm going to miss terribly.
But here's the funny thing. Except for just a few small details about his physical appearance that I gleaned from his posts and my conversations with him, I have absolutely no idea what he looked like. Kind of gives you some perspective, don't it? (btw, thanks for the words of sympathy. PMs on the way when I can write them.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: GUEST,Desdemona Date: 21 Jan 02 - 03:08 PM Carol--I'm sorry for your loss, and you're absolutely right; amongst all the things that made your friend special and valuable and lovable to you, his appearance was never one of them, and it didn't have anything whatsoever to do with how you felt about him. There you go. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: catspaw49 Date: 21 Jan 02 - 03:09 PM Ya' know Carol, I know exactly what you're saying........ Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Duckboots Date: 21 Jan 02 - 03:45 PM We're so sorry for your loss Carol. At a towering five feet four inches, I'm a giant in my (birth) family. I think my ancestors were those stubby Picts. Duckboots(Heather Fielding) |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Amergin Date: 21 Jan 02 - 04:16 PM i am a bit overweight myself....my wieght comes and goes with my moods.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Chip2447 Date: 21 Jan 02 - 04:20 PM What do we want outta life, cookie cutter molds of perfect people. Not this fat, happy, and tall guy. I'm happy with my friends and lovers the way they are. CarolC...Revel in the fact that you found a friend, cry because they meant something special to you, and know that you'll always carry the memories of a glorious friendship. Chip2447 |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Burke Date: 21 Jan 02 - 07:59 PM I found a definition of obesity that's based on ratios instead of absolute numbers that make a lot more sense. It's from American Obesity Association To be obeise you need a BMI of >=30. The formula for BMI is BMI is calculated by dividing a person's body weight in kilograms by their height in meters squared (weight [kg]/height [m]2) or by using the conversion with pounds and inches squared (weight [lbs]/height [in]2 x 704.5) Those 2's after the height is squared, not times 2. At 5'8" it looks like I'm obese when I hit 195. I'm getting close, so I guess I need to diet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: 53 Date: 21 Jan 02 - 08:07 PM well i got my slim fast and i'm ready to start bright and early in the morning, one shake for breakfast, and on shake for, lunch, and the a nice dinner, with no snacks after dinner, i can't wait, see all you fatsos later, by the way, just kidding, yall wish me luck. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: 53 Date: 21 Jan 02 - 10:04 PM no comments yet. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Cap't Bob Date: 21 Jan 02 - 10:46 PM GOOD LUCK BOB. Cap't Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Micca Date: 22 Jan 02 - 04:54 AM Carol, I too have been a shorty all my life, and I am probably so noisy and in your face as a sort of compensation for it. Peoples attitudes to size(height!!) and body mass has often been a source of amazement and pain to me. 30 + years later a chance overheard remark still has a power to hurt , a young woman I was very attracted to,(I hope) not aware I could hear, said " oh I couldnt go out with him, he is too short" the power of words to wound....all the other things, wit, humour, that made up the person counted for nothing against the distance between my nose and the ground....but on the up side, being hugged by tall women when you are my height can be very interesting indeed, you learn to breathe to the side like a long distance swimmer!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: JudeL Date: 22 Jan 02 - 05:40 AM Come on Micca you've never been heightist about hugs. where-ever , when-ever, who-ever & as frequently as possible! Jude (who like Garfield is not over weight just underheight ie 4'11 1/2 and don't forget the 1/2) |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: GUEST,Lyndi-Loo Date: 22 Jan 02 - 05:44 AM Well I'm wee too and round, like a bouncy ball, but what the hell, diamonds don't come in bricks! Short people are always the last to feel the rain and snow. Short people can bend down to the floor withou feeling dizzy You can always shorten hems of clothes but you can't lengthen them Short people always look cute |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: GUEST,guinnesschik Date: 22 Jan 02 - 09:06 AM I am positively Jabba the Hutt! (It has nothing to do with self-image, 'cause in that department I'm okay.) I have long associated the communal jam session with good food and drink, so if you're coming to a hoolie at our house, be prepared to eat and play, and eat some more. It just works that way. I am 5'8", however, although I won't tell how grossly obese I am. ;-) Carol, I'm deeply sorry for the loss of your friend. Bob 53, be prepared to spend much time in the can. SlimFast is VERY high in fiber. Me, I'm havin' a cinnamon roll..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Liz the Squeak Date: 22 Jan 02 - 09:09 AM Here is a link to a site all about Sumo, which is a sport that values bulk - the link should open on one of the few Americans who are competitors. I'm surprised the Americans don't seem to have taken to Sumo in a big way. There was a team of English Sumo wrestlers a couple of years ago, but I think they failed to quite get the idea. Er, isn't one of the leading lights (or should that be heavies) of the Sumo profession is Hawaiian? LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: GUEST,swirlygirl Date: 22 Jan 02 - 11:21 AM And that's another good thing about being a short woman...think of all those men you have to choose from! Tall, medium, short...all sizes fit! :) xxx |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: PaulM Date: 22 Jan 02 - 11:24 AM Think of being a fat woman, all those where did they go? men Men seldom make passes at girls with fat arses Think of it as evoluntionary |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: MC Fat Date: 22 Jan 02 - 11:26 AM The doc says I'm the corect weight it's just I should 7 foot 10 inches tall |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: PaulM Date: 22 Jan 02 - 11:28 AM ROTFLMAO!!!! (not) Please try an original joke next time, Fat MC |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Sorcha Date: 22 Jan 02 - 11:33 AM Actually, PaulM, it did used to be valued very much, because of the "ease of birthing" implied by wide hips. Still is in some societies......mostly Polynesian. Also, I have never seen so many "big legged women" as I did in Blackfoot, Idaho several years ago at the Eastern Idaho State Fair.........and, as an aside, Blackfoot is a big! Mormon community........no prejudice implied, here, but Mormons are (theologiclly) supposed to have lots of babies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: GUEST,Kim C no cookie Date: 22 Jan 02 - 01:07 PM Let's see. I'm 5'3", 120 lbs. I am working on the abs of steel but right now they're just concrete. Two years ago I was 136. Not heavy by any sense of the word but my clothes didn't fit anymore. If I had put on another 35 pounds, at my smallish stature, I would have been rather portly, I imagine. It takes all shapes and sizes to make the world go round. I have heard that even people who are "obese" can still be in very good health. Every body's body is different. I have a dear friend, about 50 years old, who would be considered "obese." She takes good care of herself, though, and eats fairly well; i.e., not a lot of junk. If she were more active, she could lose the weight - but she doesn't consider it a problem, and neither do any of the rest of us who love her. Anyway, bob, don't do SlimFast. It's full of sugar. You might as well drink a glass of Ovaltine with a multi-vitamin. There are lots of better, more filling, low-calorie meal options out there. By the way, I am enjoying the hell out of my George Foreman grill. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: swirlygirl Date: 22 Jan 02 - 01:12 PM Ohmigod...George Foreman grills...don't you just love them?!!! It's my favourite cooking apliance and has been for about the past year or so... Everyone should own one of these! :) xxx |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Tiger Date: 22 Jan 02 - 02:29 PM You and me, MC Fat. Old joke dep't. (continued): And you know that talking scale, the one that says "One of you has to get off."? |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: 53 Date: 22 Jan 02 - 02:36 PM george foreman grills are great, and i've just started my slim fast diet, and i'll just have to wait and see, how it comes out. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Murph10566 Date: 22 Jan 02 - 02:50 PM My Brother Pat, (approx. 5'9"/260 #), considers himself the tall, slender one in our family, is a big believer in the 'Slim-Fast' approach... However, in his case, he calls it 'Slim-Slow'... Perennially Portly Murph |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: 53 Date: 22 Jan 02 - 02:52 PM if i can lose 2 pounds a week i'll be happy. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: GUEST,Kim C no cookie Date: 22 Jan 02 - 04:28 PM Aim for one pound per week. You will lose mostly water first anyhow. I tried SlimFast. I was hungry all the time. I didn't lose the 16 pounds until I made better choices about my food and got my ass out of my chair. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: MMario Date: 22 Jan 02 - 04:40 PM This thread is SO depressing. 35 pounds? Heck - if I could get within 35 pounds of my "reccomended" weight I'd be dancing on the ceiling - hiring brass bands and shooting off fireworks. When I get rid of the "holiday weight" I will still have over 100 lbs to go to hit target weight - 125+ for recommended. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: JudeL Date: 22 Jan 02 - 04:55 PM PaulM - don't believe your prejudices and preferences are those of the rest of the population. I've been slim and now I'm big, and believe me, lots of men do like women with extra inches. Size doesn't really matter a rat's arse. It's mostly a matter of attitude, and what makes you most happy /unhappy. People who obsess about food, the type that won't just enjoy themselves and their company because they are so worried that they might gain a few pounds tend to be very boring people. They might look picture perfect but it gets very tiring very quickly. The only real way to achieve and maintain a lower weight than your normal pattern is to completely change your eating habits and your pattern of exercise and how you live your life, permanently, and if that's gona make you more miserable than carrying a few extra pounds then that's far more off-putting to all those around you. So until my size makes ME uncomfortable enough for ME to want to change BACK OFF . And now I've had my rant I think it's time to go enjoy myself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Desdemona Date: 22 Jan 02 - 06:24 PM I think it's a shame we spend so much time obsessing about this; it's been a continuous thread in my own life since I was a child, as I took ballet for nearly 12 years, with the attendant anorexia with which I've struggled intermittently ever since (I'm 37 now). I was never actually "fat", and have at times been so skeletal that people wondered if I were seriously ill. Right now I'm about 130 (5'4") & feel IMMENSE, but am trying not to listen to the self-destructive "tape" that tells me I need to diet. As Jude L. points out, it's about how YOU feel, not how others see or perceive or judge you. If managing your weight becomes your raison d'etre, then I think something's wrong. On the other hand, it's no good to abuse yourself, either. I wish we'd been acculturated in such a way that food wouldn't carry so much emotional baggage with it (as in: I'm hungry, so I'll eat; I'm not anymore, so I'll stop---babies do it!), but we weren't. I suppose te best thing is to try to take as good care of ourselves as possible, and hopefully the rest sorts itself out. Sorry to be so long-winded; it's a subject that touches me nearly! |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 22 Jan 02 - 10:01 PM Now, I've got to be careful aboutthis, because people can erupt sometimes.
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: 53 Date: 22 Jan 02 - 10:18 PM it is true that more americans are fat than skinny, but what i can't figure out is where they get all these models for these ab machines, which show all of these people with these rock hard abs, i've never looked like that and i never will, it is really funny though, that most people just love being fat. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Cap't Bob Date: 22 Jan 02 - 10:24 PM BOB ~ Perhaps a before and after picture would be in order. Cap't Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: 53 Date: 22 Jan 02 - 10:44 PM that could be arranged. cheers, BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Justa Picker Date: 22 Jan 02 - 11:08 PM Been pondering this thread and then it occured to me. When was the last time you saw an OLD, fat person (aside from Charles Durning?..) :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: MMario Date: 23 Jan 02 - 08:25 AM yeasterday. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: 53 Date: 23 Jan 02 - 08:57 AM fat people ar more jolly, at least they are not cranky like people who are on a diet. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: KingBrilliant Date: 23 Jan 02 - 08:58 AM Here's my latest take on how to lose weight if you want to do it. Instead of focussing on the negative things you want to get rid of (which just makes you more likely to give it all up and binge in a fit of depression), why not focus on the good things you actually HAVE achieved as you go along (feeling more lively, firmer, getting back into old beloved clothes etc.). I find it much more motivating to think of what I don't want to lose then thinking of what I hope maybe one day to get rid of. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. This approach has so far been proven to work for 8 consecutive days.........:>) Kris PS, Anyone else been watching "Fat Club" on UK TV? I told my 10yr old daughter I was going to watch it for inspiration. She looked at my cynically and suggested that I'd probably just decide that they were all fatter than me & take comfort in comparison..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 23 Jan 02 - 09:46 AM Good luck with the diet Bob, there is a losing weight advice thread at The Annexe (www.jonbanjo.com/forum/default1.asp).Also have a look at this site www.dialadietitian.org It is a free service for North America, they have a free call number and will give you advice and help you with your diet over the phone.Slim Fast although useful is not meant to be used for long periods at a time, try Fortisip or Entera.Regular exercise is of course important, it need not be hard work,(walking the dog, talking the stairs instead of the elevator etc).Also take a look at the BDA website, it is mainly designed for health care profesionals (dietitians), but you may find it useful (www.bda.uk.com) |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: 53 Date: 23 Jan 02 - 09:49 AM because i take so much medicine for high blood pressure and other things that are wrong with me, i do believe that i'm going to give up the diet, and just hope for the best, i appreciate the info that you gave me, we'll just wait and see what happens. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: GUEST Date: 23 Jan 02 - 09:53 AM Shouldn't it be... Men seldom make parses at girls with fat arses ...? In that case, I'd think the girl in question would be grateful |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 23 Jan 02 - 09:57 AM Well you could have said earlier! It took me ages to type that, it is probably my longest post to Mudcat, now you say you have stopped yer diet! :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: 53 Date: 23 Jan 02 - 10:02 AM sorry john, i just don't know what to do , i really need to lose some weight, but with the other meds, i just don't know if things will work out. sorry, BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Kim C Date: 23 Jan 02 - 10:10 AM Bob, if you were to revamp your eating habits, and go walking once a day... maybe, just maybe, it might reduce your blood pressure. Just a thought. Talk to your doctor about it. And JudeL is totally right, it's important to be comfortable with who you are. When I gained weight I didn't necessarily look bad, but I didn't feel so great. I changed my eating and got moving and now I look better and feel better. And I don't have to obsess about my food. There are lots of choices available to eat right, and eat very, very well, thank you, without having a green salad no dressing and a diet water. ;-) Once in awhile, I even have a cheeseburger. And last weekend, I got into a pair of jeans I hadn't worn in a long time, with room to spare. Those of you who hate to exercise------ so did I. It was boring. But there are now so many videos available, you may find something you like! My choice is tae bo, because it's challenging enough to hold my attention. And I like videos because they're cheaper than joining a gym. So if you really want to do it, you can. It is a commitment, and you have to take that first step. But You Can Do It!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 23 Jan 02 - 10:25 AM Thats OK Bob, I was only kidding! Try again with your diet if you can though, if you lose weight your blood pressure might improve.john |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Murray MacLeod Date: 23 Jan 02 - 11:12 AM Since Sumo wrestling is one of my favorite sports, I think it is worth mentioning that the "fat" on a Sumo wrestler is totally different from the fat on an obese Westerner. Sumo wrestlers accumulate their bulk intentionally by eating vast quantities of (mainly ) vegetables along with copious amounts of fish. When their wrestling career is over, they have no trouble whatsoever in shedding all that excess bulk. Make no mistake, these wrestlers are not obese freaks, they are highly trained athletes, however bizarre they may appear to the average uninitiated Westerner. Murray |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: GUEST, Name Withheld Date: 23 Jan 02 - 11:56 AM Regarding advice to 53 above on exercise.... You may not know how it actually IS for Bob or others in that situation. Some of the stuff they give you for hypertension does not just make you "feel" tired, as in "I Don'wanna.....". It makes you actually not HAVE the energy to do what would otherwise make sense to do. I have been in a battle with the docs over this for years, and I am in it again now. On their BP meds I have gained.... an immense amount of weight, with no change in eating habits at all except to eat less because the appetite left entirely, and last year I think I averaged about 600 calories a day actually absorbed because I also developed severe Irritable Bowel Syndrome. By August, even water would not stay in my system long enough to be absorbed. This was all complicated by metabolic factors our local country docs do not understand, but the way my body chemistry behaves does not match the usual diet program. For instance, on Jenny Craig I lost weight wonderfully-- but three times safer than is safe, so they had to up my calorie count to what most people had been consuming when they entered the program!!! My body chmistry REALLY does not match people's stereotypes about fat folks and how they got that way or stay that way or change being that way. And unfortunately, most medically-supervised weight loss programs are loaded with those stereotypes, too. Now that I am doing what my body TELLS me to do, I am exercising effortlessly and losing weight without even trying, while eating more than in the last five years, and eating what heals instead of what hurts. I have given up the detective job of solving WHY it is this way-- I am just doing what obviously helps and avoiding what obviosuly hurts, no matter how "expert" the advice may seem to be. YES I take my BP medication, but I do not let them overmedicate me anymore. This has to be worked out WITH the doc, not done on one's own-- but it can be done. And I have them check regularly for vascular damage from the now-slightly-elevated BP-- keeping it in a range that allows movement at the rate I need to keep my metabolic rate up and weight loss occurring, and low enough to minimize the risks. For me, it's an issue of sports medicine more than "dieting", so I do not find the Annexe discussion going on now very helpful. I need to eat MORE-- enough to move this body around-- not LESS than I had been eating. As far as sports medicine goes-- I would like to see some of my slender friends carry, up a flight of stairs, what I carry and can't put down when I get to the top. I'd like to see them try to keep up with me in normal daily activities, if gravity were doubled or tripled on them. Because that's what I do, every day. It TAKES a little higher BP to DO that..... so the higher they push the meds and immobilize me, the higher the BP tries to go to save my life and get me moving again. It was about time SOMEBODY took charge. But Bob-- you can't do the medication or even the diet thing without some help. Find the RIGHT help-- but we all need professional knowledge when it comes to prescribed medications, and having a coach is good too. Yuck. I HATE talking about this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: GUEST, NW Date: 23 Jan 02 - 11:58 AM three times SAFER than is safe, above, should read three times FASTER than is safe, |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: 53 Date: 23 Jan 02 - 02:55 PM thanks Kim C for the advice, i appreciate it. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Kim C Date: 24 Jan 02 - 02:12 PM Guest above made the most important point though, to make sure you talk to your doctor. :-) |