The end of religious freedom in the US

Subject: RE: The end of religious freedom in the US
From: InOBU
Date: 12 Feb 02 - 06:56 AM

Thanks McGrath... here is what his link says, but go to it as it has another link...
The Universal Military Training and Service Act of 2001, H.R. 3598 introduced by Rep. Smith (MI) and Rep. Weldon (PA) would make military service an "OBLIGATION FOR YOUNG MEN" (Sec 3a) between the ages of 18-22. The period of mandatory service would be for "not less than six months, but not more than one year" (Sec 4.a) and is open to women of the same age group. Conscientious Objectors would also be required to "participate in basic military training and education" (Sec.10b).

Immediate Action Needed: Contact your representative and urge him or her not to sign on as a co-sponsor for H.R. 3598 and to pressure their colleagues who sit on the House Armed Services Committee to kill the bill in committee. Calls are especially needed to members of the Armed Services Committee with the message to let H.R. 3598 die in committee. Call the U.S. Capitol Switchboard at 202-224-3121 and ask for your representative.
Larry

Subject: RE: The end of religious freedom in the US
From: InOBU
Date: 12 Feb 02 - 06:53 AM

Dear anonimous friend, to make your point, you do need to go on... every nation needs to struggle with each of its laws to empower the minority. England, France, Germany, there is a struggle for a varity of rights. Even Sweeden has a struggle for rights of Roma for example - But our amendments, as you call them, are milestones in a struggle which like all human history pushes forwards and falls back. At the moment we are falling back. Quakers and others suffered for the cause of peace here, for generations, and I think that our lambs war created more rights, and had its value. So... are the most empowered the only ones who benifit from Constitutional amendments, well, you will have to go on to prove it... It is too easy to throw a barb and run. As to my fellow Americans, I urge you to add your voices to disprove our guests well meant vocalisation (I agree that America and other partners in the global ecconomic network of pillage create misery and discrimination, but that is not what this post is about friend).
Larry

Subject: RE: The end of religious freedom in the US
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 12 Feb 02 - 06:49 AM

It took me awhile but I finally found a relevant article here that seems to detail the amendment. It's chilling! I wonder what it means for potential 4-F men?

Subject: RE: The end of religious freedom in the US
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Feb 02 - 06:47 AM

You'd think learning not to go shooting yourself in the foot would be the first thing people who are into military training would have had drilled into them...

Here's a link to the War Resisters League site about The Universal Military Training and Service Act of 2001

Subject: RE: The end of religious freedom in the US
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Feb 02 - 06:42 AM

You and your bloody amendments.

You do realise that the rest of the world laughs and makes jokes about them?

Despite your amendments, you don't have freedom - unless of course you're a white, hetrosexual, conservative, gun-owning, racist Need I go on?

Subject: The end of religious freedom in the US
From: InOBU
Date: 12 Feb 02 - 06:33 AM

H.R. 3598, The Universal Military Training and Service Act of 2001...I was speaking last night with some fellow Quakers about this bill which calls for universal military training for all, even Quakers, Amish, Jehova's Witnesses, Menonites, Hasid and other orthodox Jews... (we are exempted from training with guns - but must go though the rest of baisc training),,, and about the fact that basic training also entails real brain washing, my brother was a good example, raised a Quaker, joined the reserves as he felt it was unfair he could get CO status so easy, did want to go to Veit Nam and kill, after basic, asked to be a helicopter pilot and be sent to Veit Nam, BECAUSE of the high mortality rate and could not wait to get into combat ... we had it out when he was on leave and it brought him to his senses. Fact is, Pennsylvania came about because we Quakers would not be conscripted, we opened our colony to Amish and Menonites and others who would not wear a uniform... and here we are about to loose the heaven of the peaceable kingdom. I recall generations of us, until WWII who where tortured in American Prisons because we would not be soldiers of any state... I think it is time for the major peace churches to march for our first amendment rights not to have our children removed from our religious societies and brainwashed by the state. Yours in the light Larry