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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: Steve Parkes Date: 18 Feb 02 - 09:14 AM JudeL: yes, I think that was what I was trying to say! It's not always easy to avoid being misunderstood when writing--there aren't the nuances and inflexions that speech has. I can usually take people as they are; if I can't then it's my problem and not theirs. I understand that big people can have other, simply physical, problems like those you describe, John. Steve |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: John Gray Date: 18 Feb 02 - 09:13 AM I omitted 2. from above ; for fat people it's almost impossible to have sex. And absolutely impossible to have good sex. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: John Gray Date: 18 Feb 02 - 08:39 AM Fat people are happy people. You must be joking. Let's get a bit of frankness happening here. 1. Ever tried to sit for two hours in an economy-air seat at 15 stone plus? Sheer torture. Several years ago I gave up smoking. Yeah, I started to put on weight but thought, one challenge at a time, right? Then one day, with toileet paper in hand, I found it difficult to reach the target area. I then realised that, as I was getting wider around the torso, my arms weren't growing any longer. If this trend continued I wouldn't be able to wipe my bum. It scared the shit out of me, so to speak. I quickly lost some weight so it wasn't a problem. Some years ago at another job a fat lady had her employment terminated because of her terrible body odour. She suffered from the same short arm syndrome and tried to mask the smell by drenching herself in cheap perfume. The combination left us gagging. So, fat people who can't reach their own bums happy - yeah, ecstatic. JG/FME |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: JudeL Date: 18 Feb 02 - 08:29 AM Steve: If we were to tell 17 "not to worry her pretty little head" about her size that would indeed be patronising - but having read through the posts the general consensus appears to be that being big of itself does not mean unattractive, and losing weight does not automatically mean happiness (whatever the media would have you believe). Self image is a lot more complicated than body size and shape and to pretend anything else is is one of the biggest con-jobs the fashion industry has ever perpetrated. NOT trying to flame - just giving my honest opinion for what it's worth. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: Steve Parkes Date: 18 Feb 02 - 06:48 AM Hilary Spencer once told me God had given her chubby legs to stop her being cocky; I never had the nerve to ask her if it had worked ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: Steve Parkes Date: 18 Feb 02 - 05:48 AM I really can't believe that telling someone who feels bad about her size that big girls are more sexy is going to cheer her up; not only does she have an image problem, now she's attracting wierdos! Big girls are sexy, but you wouldn't be impressed if I told you "not to worry your pretty little head about it, my dear", I think. 17, you're OK (you must be, you're a Mudcatter!), but if you want to change the way you see yourself, that's OK too--you can change the way you look and at the same time change the way you perceive yourself, and when the two meet each other, you'll be perfect. (Am I still being patronising? I'll go and lie down for a bit.) Steve |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: JudeL Date: 18 Feb 02 - 03:24 AM I don't mean to be picky but how did Marilyn Monroe get into a Shakespear play? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: Peg Date: 17 Feb 02 - 10:19 PM I played Marilyn Monroe in a Shakespeare play; had to wear a tight silver lame evening gown and wig and tiara; and sing like her too! Though I am not proportioned like her (she had longer legs, though she was no taller than me) a lot of people said our bodies looked quite similar; go figure! I DID have to wear a weird undergarment thing to get that hourglass look... She was always put into dance numbers with very short men who were well-proportioned (long-legged) like she was, so to TV and film watchers she looked quite tall and shapely; but she was actualy short and somewhat "chubby" by today's standards...
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: Gypsy Date: 17 Feb 02 - 09:28 PM Marilyn a size fourteen! I LOVE you for printing that! Godesses unite! We wanna be curvy, not boney! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: Joe_F Date: 17 Feb 02 - 06:31 PM ObSongs: Hell, you just go and check your art history book: Old Titian and Rubens, they knew how girls should look. Well, the whole world's gone skinny, and it's just a big mess. I say, Down with the girdle, and I'll do the rest. -- "Fat Girls", as sung by Tim Henderson |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: Murrey Date: 17 Feb 02 - 05:11 PM Hi 17 I can only wonder if how you think and feel about yourself sets the tone for how your family and friends react. If they are all truly worried about specific health concerns your weight may be causing -they do so because they care . However , if it's strictly about weight then it might be their reaction to what seems to be front and center in your life your weight .God did not make you fat but He did give us free choice only we can determine how we use it . I won the battle with smoking 5 years ago and am heavier that I have ever been and for reasons of my own choosing I am ready to deal with that now.My life is and has always been so full of wonderful people and things to do I sometimes wonder how to manage it all but never has my weight been an constant or uncormfortable subject with my family and friends.Only you can create the life you want and you can do that fat or thin or somewhere in between-there is only one you and YOU can choose .Just keep in mind that if there is no joy or satisfaction in you life now losing weight won't fix it.Find that spirit that lives in you and let it shine girl--celebrate the good things you are and people will celebrate you ! Murrey |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: Murrey Date: 17 Feb 02 - 05:11 PM Hi 17 I can only wonder if how you think and feel about yourself sets the tone for how your family and friends react. If they are all truly worried about specific health concerns your weight may be causing -they do so because they care . However , if it's strictly about weight then it might be their reaction to what seems to be front and center in your life your weight .God did not make you fat but He did give us free choice only we can determine how we use it . I won the battle with smoking 5 years ago and am heavier that I have ever been and for reasons of my own choosing I am ready to deal with that now.My life is and has always been so full of wonderful people and things to do I sometimes wonder how to manage it all but never has my weight been an constant or uncormfortable subject with my family and friends.Only you can create the life you want and you can do that fat or thin or somewhere in between-there is only one you and YOU can choose .Just keep in mind that if there is no joy or satisfaction in you life now losing weight won't fix it.Find that spirit that lives in you and let it shine girl--celebrate the good things you are and people will celebrate you ! Murrey |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: wysiwyg Date: 17 Feb 02 - 02:56 PM To JEM-Wales and any other new/newish members I may have missed-- welcome to Mudcat! Some of the newer members are introducing themselves and their musical interests over HERE. ~Susan
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: brid widder Date: 17 Feb 02 - 02:34 PM I'm a perfect 10!! in fact I'm a perfect 10 twice over! LTS...nipples in armpits!! I nearly wet myself!...but am going to give it a try...but whatever the price no one will ever catch me in dental floss knickers! stop fretting 17st...you can't get too much of a good woman. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: Wyrd Sister Date: 17 Feb 02 - 02:13 PM Jem from Wales - good luck with the diagnosis/prognosis. I have a friend who was diagnosed as having lymphoma 2 years ago, but is doing fine. LtS - also Bravissimo, and Amplebosom. Both have websites and are a bit pricey, but VERY pretty. My advice is, go small on the back, HUGE in the cup and work backwards from there till you find a good fit. Aah, the comfort of not poking your eye out with rougue underwiring when you drop your chin to(wards) your chest! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: Diva Date: 17 Feb 02 - 01:27 PM Now you come to mention it Liz.... :-) Oh must look in La Senza but my local Woolies isn't big enough to stock bras (I used to work there) Diva |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 17 Feb 02 - 12:01 PM Nor me and Sharon Stone, but that's a taste thing..... LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: Diva Date: 17 Feb 02 - 09:32 AM I have done the dieting thing for most of my life...and it has taken me till recently to say..STUFF IT!!!!! Dieting makes me miserable..life is too short to be miserable. If you have to cut back for health reasons then fair enough...speak to your doc. "Why did god make you fat?" same reason he made me look like Michelle Pfeiffer..only no one else can see the resemblance....but you never see the pair of us in the same room..do you?? ***BG*** Diva |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: JudeL Date: 17 Feb 02 - 09:29 AM LtS: For lingerie in a variety of colours that doesn't look like scaffolding for the forth bridge try La Senza (bit expensive but nice) or Woolies, who do some very pretty stuff in more generous sizes. They had some very pretty cornflower blue bras in a range of sizes the largest I noticed was 44F, with matching knickers also in a range of sizes. Have a look you may be surprised -I know I was. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: Desdemona Date: 17 Feb 02 - 08:47 AM Liz---"I might want to be flossing my arse with the rest of the crowd?"---LOL!!!! The note above re:cutting out carbohydrates, refined sugar, etc., bears looking into, 17. I've heard from a number of people I know that this approach is really efffective, and they were definitley not starving in the process; one woman I know lost 80 lbs this way, and is still eating meat, fish, veggies & fruits, cheese,normal (not those vile "fat free" things!)salad dressings, etc., just passing up the bread, pasta, potatoes & sweeties. I'm tempted to give this approach a go as well ina n aeffort to get rid of what I've been unlovingly referring to as my "Christmas bonus". But again, the point is that it's a healthy approach that focusses on eating real foods that are good for you rather than simply restricting. I think that what really makes "dieting" such a bad thing as a concept is that its purpose seems to be the punishment & deprivation of one's body, sort of as "discipline" for having "allowed" oneself to---horrors!---gain weight. If we were to shift our focus to being GOOD to ourselves, and doing/eating the sorts of things that would help our bodies & minds feel better, I imagine the weight loss industry might go right out of business. It's worth bearing in mind that a lot of people are getting METAPHORICALLY fat off of making us feel like crap! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: JEM-Wales Date: 17 Feb 02 - 07:26 AM Dear 17 stone 2 years ago I weighed in at 17.5 stone = 245 lbs or 11.5 kilos. 2 days ago I weighed in at 12 stone 2 lbs = 170 lbs or 76 kilos. I started dieting because my docctor told me that my bloood pressure was stupidly high. It still is - without medication I am 180/140. With heavy medication and weight loss it is 132/90. I put on weight because I was unhappy with my life. Bored, and sad. My husband still loved me but I had a dreadful self image of myself. I have lost weight because I have found something that interests me more than food. (At least that is what I am hoping). Bu I am still not totally happy. My friends who were my friends whatever I weighed are still there, but I have discovered in the last two days that loss of weight is not always the Nirvana that we want. I would like to think that the weight loss is soley down to my self control, but it probably isn't. It could be down to Lymphona that I possibly have, or the viral condition that may have triggered it off. So honey - be yourself - be happy with yourself - whatver your weight. God will do to you whatever he wants. What you do to your own mind is up to you. Many men like tubby females and friends do not care whatever size you are. Be true to your self. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 17 Feb 02 - 05:14 AM Go look at some Botticelli artwork. If that doesn't make you feel thin, nothing will! Even the old Venus de Milo has a belly on her.... Or Beryl Cook... her larger ladies are a scream! I'd do some links but I don't know how.... sorry! LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 16 Feb 02 - 09:02 PM Liz-At least you havent got turkey shit in your ears! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 16 Feb 02 - 07:50 PM Yeah, sorry Art, the nipples under the armpits was a bit too much information, but you see the point I'm making? Plenty of me to go round!!! LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: artbrooks Date: 16 Feb 02 - 06:13 PM Ah, Liz...one of the reasons we all love you so much is your ability to share..... Seventeen, why you are as you are is a point of deep philosophy, and you have obviously come to the right place for the answer. If you want to change, I'd suggest two things: (1) pick one type of food that isn't good for you (and there are LOTS of places that will tell you that) and cut down on it and (2) whatever kind of exercise you do now, do a little more...if none, do a little. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 16 Feb 02 - 05:33 PM People can climb stairs without getting winded?? Must be nice! LOL!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: GUEST,BigDaddy Date: 16 Feb 02 - 04:56 PM During the latter part of the nineteenth century and the early twentieth century, fat was where it was at. If you look at photos of the J. P. Morgans, Vanderbilts and such like, they all had ample poundage. This was considered the look of prosperity and tended to inspire trust. Thin people were suspect...must be laborers or crooks. Times and fashions change...the goddess was/is fat (ever seen a "Venus of Willendorf" figure?...go figure...). If it's hurting your health or slowing you down, take steps (lots of steps, like walking), if you can go about daily activities and climb stairs without getting winded, and all else is as it should be (blood pressure, heart rate, etc.), worry less and live more... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 16 Feb 02 - 01:56 PM Mmmmmmmmmmm..... Mary Chapin-Carpenter........... Hubba hubba hubba ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: lady penelope Date: 16 Feb 02 - 12:16 PM I concur. The minute someone starts going on about weighing me, how much weight have I lost etc. etc. I wanna go out and eat a pound bar of galaxy. Mind you I react to all forms of nagging ( commercial as well ) by either doing the opposite or pretending the subject dosen't exist. Not the best reaction I'll admit, but I at least admit I do it and therefore work with it. TTFN M'Lady P. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: Yvonne Date: 16 Feb 02 - 08:19 AM I don't know if this will help but 15 years ago when I was 16 stone my Doctor told be to pick up my weighing scales throw them over the nearest hedge and get a life instead of worrying constantly about being fat!! I did and though by no means thin or slim --I am thinner and happier! I also have never weighed myself or allowed anyone else to weigh me since--just creates misery--feelings of panic and makes you eat!!Don't put pressure on yourself.If other people are not happy with how YOU look then they have a problem NOT you! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 16 Feb 02 - 06:04 AM Maybe God likes fat people more. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: lady penelope Date: 16 Feb 02 - 05:46 AM Liz....one word.....EVANS. Not the greatest range of stuff, but for everyday shreddies it's not bad. If you want posh stuff, you want to go to 'Carol's' opposite the Whitechapel bit of the London Hospital on the Mile End road. If you go there, make an appointment and they do fittings and everything ( it's like going to Rigby & Peller but cheaper, but I wouldn't recommend just turning up on a saturday ). Sue Jolly got a very nice bra & knicker set in black lace for about £35 and she's a 34 F!.....I must get my arse down there some time!! : ) TTFN M'Lady P. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 16 Feb 02 - 04:02 AM Here's a thing... my local 'department' store (Sainsbury's Savacentre - I don't care about libel cos it's true...) stocks a "larger range of sizes" going up to size 22, by the designer Jeff 'Clothes Show' Banks. BUT>>>> they only stock underwear going up to size 16! Finding a 40B or C bra is impossible!!! Finding size 22 knickers that don't look like something the Ringling Brothers would perform in is like the search for El Dorado! Finding SEXY 40+ bras and size 18+ knickers is an exercise in futility, yet there are lots of saucy little numbers with padding and uplift, extra support and enhancement for those with the proverbial fried eggs on an ironing board.... If you are a petite thing, there are bras that will squish your tits into a Grand Canyon type cleaveage, at the pull of a string, or the addition of a little H2O, but where are the ones for us with the ability to stick our nipples in our armpits? Why am I reduced to a lifetime of grey or flesh coloured Bridget Jones' when I might want to be flossing my arse with the rest of the crowd? Why do designers think that big women don't have sex? Or want to feel sexy? And if you do find an outlet (there are places - Evans and Ann Summers do a range for the larger lady), why do they think I have an income as large as my arse? It isn't THAT much more material..... and they must be less fiddly to sew.... and it isn't as if there's no market for them...... If I wanted a naughty weekend away with saucy lace underwear (and a man, duh!), I would actually have to spend more on the underwear than I would on the hotel room.... LTS [And why does my washing machine eat my bra wires... and if I do get them back, why can I never find the hole they came out of.....?] |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: GUEST,BigDaddy Date: 15 Feb 02 - 11:45 PM A number of well-known women tend to carry more pounds than is currently fashionable. Among these are Wynonna Judd, Mary Chapin-Carpenter and Linda Ronstadt. They sometimes get around it by being photographed with special lighting. You are not alone in being larger than what is currently fashionable. Linda Ronstadt even said in an interview something to the effect that she realizes she's not fat, she was just born in the wrong century, having viewed the paintings of Reubens. If you take a look at the women portrayed in art through the ages, you will see that thin was not the ideal throughout much (perhaps most) of history. More to follow... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: GUEST,mgarvey@pacifier.com Date: 15 Feb 02 - 10:21 PM for good quality clothing in larger sizes (as well as tall and petite and regular) try the Pendleton outlet in Washougal (or is it Camas?) Washington. You can get blazers..Pendleton wool blazers for sometimes $10, $20 etc...Their winter clothes are lovely, but summer usually is not so good. You can call them and ask them what they have on hand...mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: Mudlark Date: 15 Feb 02 - 09:41 PM Hi 17...Lots of good info...I've copied Wissywig's bookmark list myself. The one thing that hasn't been mentioned is clothing. Sounds like you might be on a tight budget, and a lot of large size cheap clothing is not exactly classy OR becoming. Finding nifty, not too conventional stuff can be done tho...even at KMart, Walmart and Target (US bigbox stores). Also keep your eye out for attactive clothing in men's and maternity departments (I've often thot the fashion industry feels "fat" women don't deserve beautiful fabrics, attractive clothes). If you like colorful clothing, there is an online store, web address bigonbatik.com. Great stuff from Bali, mostly too expensive for me but also occasionally very good sale prices (and great attitude!). Land's End is also now carrying large sizes. I know what you mean about sticking points. I've gained weight on 3-5 days fasts, trying to get below mine. I'm still fighting the good fight, without dramatic results I might add, and except for occasional bouts of self-loathing, manage to enjoy being myself most of the time. Welcome to Mudcat. Thank god for music, where looks count for a lot less than sound! PS...My sister is much heavier than I am, is married to a guy with eye-popping surfer good looks, and has 3 kids...all acquired while carrying her present weight. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: GUEST,Melani Date: 15 Feb 02 - 08:38 PM Several friends of mine have discovered that they are highly sensitive to carbohydrates. One actually describes herself as "allergic" to sugar, and must watch her diet extremely carefully to avoid it even as an ingredient. But before she did this, she weighed 60 lbs. more than she does now, and couldn't get it off. Another lost 100 lbs. in a year by cutting out all refined carbohydrates and going for a half-hour walk every day. She also lost her diabetes and high blood pressure. This may or may not have anything to do with you, but it's worth consideration. But the real thing is usually exercise--even walking can be enough. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: Kim C Date: 15 Feb 02 - 05:59 PM It is better to Eat Better than to just Eat Less. Talk to your doctor and a nutritionist to find out what will work for you. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 15 Feb 02 - 04:03 PM Marilyn Munroe was a size 16 in British dress sizes (38 28 40ish.....), and was supposed to be the model for the curvy coke bottle (worlds' first copyrighted 3D image). Imagine how tall the bottle would have to be to get enough coke in if it were based on Twiggy..... And it would slide through your fingers.... I used to go to the gym twice a week, for an hour/two hours at a time, and put on 1/2 a stone!! Muscle weighs more than fatty tissue, so overweight isn't always unhealthy. As long as you keep moving and don't end up as a couch potato, things will be OK. There are hundreds of chubby chasers out there, mostly at bike shows (despite what they drape over the superbikes) and folk festivals.... get out there and go for it!! (leave me one please?) LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: Jolene Date: 15 Feb 02 - 03:51 PM katlaughing, I agree with you that everyone is being presented with body images that are difficult to achieve (if not impossible). But if I am being honest, my weight issues are not just genetic. I grew up virtually indoors (by my own choice). I would have rather read a book than go outside and play. Part of it was I hated competitive sports, which was what most kids played. Fear of physical injury was a big part of it. Also ridicule. I wish there were ways for kids to be more active without being forced to endure that. Another problem I've run into is healthy food is expensive. A ten pound bag of potatoes costs the same as two heads of lettuce. Anyway, there's no one answer. Just feel sometimes that everyone judges me on this one issue, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy I guess. Oh, and Clinton...I'm almost afraid to ask...WHY is a compliment slander to you? That's very odd. No offense. :-)
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: katlaughing Date: 15 Feb 02 - 03:31 PM Marilyn Monroe was a size 14. Twiggy is what started the Madison Ave. obsession with stickwimmin. The current lot of pop stars, like Britney Spears, just perpetuate the myth of thinness and do a great disservice to our children. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: Ebbie Date: 15 Feb 02 - 03:14 PM Frontline had a show on obesity last night. Unfortunately I turned it on too late to get most of it but it was very interesting, and if it comes around again I want to see the whole thing. One woman who was on the show visits schools and in assembly shows slides detailing what she looked like from an VERY early age. As she said, she was put on her first diet at the age of 3 weeks. You can stake money on it that those kids in those schools are wiser - and one hopes, more empathic- than they were. Ebbie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 15 Feb 02 - 02:25 PM 17S... If you knew me better you'd know that a compliment IS slander in my case.... Hehehehehehe... ;-) "wrath of the keyboard gods" Was that the one with Ricardo Montalban???? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: Gypsy Date: 15 Feb 02 - 11:22 AM There is more to life than weight. If you feel healthy,and can do what you wish to do, i wouldn't worry a great deal. I am more concerned about your self image, or lack thereof. The current fad in the US about being so very thin is quite new,if you look at things historically. Miss America 1935 was something like 5'2", and weighed 140. Love yourself first, then worry about your appearance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: gnu Date: 15 Feb 02 - 05:56 AM Yup, you can pedal fast as hell, but it's nare a bit comfortable. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: kendall Date: 15 Feb 02 - 05:22 AM cuddling with a skinny woman is like sleeping with a bicycle. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: GUEST,p.mitchell@work Date: 15 Feb 02 - 04:17 AM 17, without wishing to be-little your concerns... perhaps you are built for comfort, not for speed? also, if God made you fat then it's possibly because god is a woman, and she knows that cuddley is ALWAYS better than boney. You just watch what happens come winter around here, all the large girls are snapped up by people who know the benefit of being with a larger woman. Godd luck with it. Paul |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: GUEST,mgarvey@pacifier.com Date: 15 Feb 02 - 12:41 AM Here is a very good website that will contradict a lot of what you have heard over the years. She is an endocrinologist. http://www.SchwarzbeinPrinciple.com/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: Murray MacLeod Date: 15 Feb 02 - 12:21 AM " I used to have no problem with my weight when I ran five miles a day...wish I could still do that..." Yeah, I don't get chased so much these days either, Peg ....*G* Murray
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Subject: RE: BS: Why did god make me fat? From: 53 Date: 14 Feb 02 - 11:27 PM I'm getting a pot belly, and it's because i stuff myself with cookies and i've quit my walking, but you can bet your bottom dollar i'm going to get off my ass and get back in shape. |
