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Lyr/Chords Req: Over the Water to Charlie

bfolkemer 21 Feb 02 - 03:08 PM
MMario 21 Feb 02 - 03:22 PM
Malcolm Douglas 21 Feb 02 - 03:27 PM
Sorcha 21 Feb 02 - 03:29 PM
Jim Dixon 02 Feb 09 - 11:41 AM
Bryn Pugh 03 Feb 09 - 05:55 AM
Malcolm Douglas 03 Feb 09 - 10:19 AM
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Subject: Over the Water to Charlie
From: bfolkemer
Date: 21 Feb 02 - 03:08 PM

Hi folks!

I am trying to find a song I heard on Prairie Home Companion, probably in the 1980's. It may have been identified as a Robert Burns song, and was performed on a show aired near Robert Burns' birthdate.

The chorus went like this:

We'll over the water, we'll over the sea, We'll over the water to Charilie. Come weal, come woe, we'll gather and go, And live or (and?) die for Charlie.

Here is what I have of the verses:

...I'll gie Don Ross another bawbie To ferry me over to Charlie

It's weel I love my Charlie's name Though some there be abhor him But oot at sea I'll ane poon doon And Charlie's foes afore him

I realize this is a long shot, if anyone knows anything about this song and/or its performance on PHC, please let me know.

Thank you very much!

Beth Folkemer


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Over the Water to Charlie
From: MMario
Date: 21 Feb 02 - 03:22 PM

the lyrics and tune are here


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Over the Water to Charlie
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 21 Feb 02 - 03:27 PM

Found in the DT through the very useful "Digitrad and Forum Search" on the main Forum page:

OVER THE WATER TO CHARLIE
OVER THE WATER

There is also a short discussion in the Forum:

over the water to charlie sheet music  Three tune variants in abc format.


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Over the Water to Charlie
From: Sorcha
Date: 21 Feb 02 - 03:29 PM

I'm glad you guys found it--wouldn't turn up for me. I had the thing ready to paste in but refreshed first......


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Subject: Lyr Add: O'ER THE WATER TO CHARLIE (from Hogg)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 02 Feb 09 - 11:41 AM

Here's how it appears (with musical notation) in Hogg's Jacobite Relics of Scotland (1821):


O'ER THE WATER TO CHARLIE

1. Come boat me o'er, come row me o'er,
Come boat me o'er to Charlie.
I'll gie John Ross anither bawbee
To ferry me o'er to Charlie.

CHORUS: We'll o'er the water, we'll o'er the sea,
We'll o'er the water to Charlie.
Come weel, come wo, we'll gather and go
And live or die wi' Charlie.

2. It's weel I lo'e my Charlie's name,
Though some there be abhor him;
But O tae see Auld Nick gaun hame,
And Charlie's faes before him! *

3. I swear by moon and starns sae bright, **
And sun that glances early,
If I had twenty thousand lives,
I'd gie them a' for Charlie.

4. I ance had sons, but now hae nane.
I bred them toiling sairly,
And I wad bear them a' again,
And lose them a' for Charlie.

[*One of the DT versions has the mondegreen: "Charlie's face before him."]
[**"starns" is not a typo; it's an actual Scots spelling/pronunciation of "stars".]


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Over the Water to Charlie
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 05:55 AM

I sang a variant on the verse 4, above :

(I have and had no right to speak, or sing, in Scots, so please excuse the fact that I might set it forth in English) :

G            Em             C          D
I once had sons, but now have none -
G          Em               C   G
I bore them greeting sairlie.
G               Em             C    D
But I would bear them o'er again
G             D               C    G
And lose them all for Charlie.


I learned this from the singing of Ray Fisher, on an album (the name of which escapes me - an age thing, I suspect) entirely of Jacobite songs and tunes. There was an instrumental version of the tune to

'Over the Water to Charlie', in 6/8 time.

There is a Morris dance, Bledington Tradition IIRC, of the same name.


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Over the Water to Charlie
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 10:19 AM

Various versions of the song, most notably by James Hogg (Jacobite Relics, second series, 1821; transcription above) and Allan Cunningham (Songs of Scotland, III, 1825), appeared following its publication in the Scots Musical Museum (II, 1788, number 187). The SMM version was contributed by Burns, and consisted of three verses only. The song is a perennial in anthologies of Scottish popular song (and in British and American C19 songsters); for a couple of broadside editions at  Bodleian Library Broadside Ballads, see  O'er the Water to Charlie.

There are also other broadside songs set to the tune, which turns up frequently on its own in C19 MS tunebooks throughout the UK. For historical notes by the late Bruce Olson, with ABCs, see thread  Tune Req: Over the Water to Charlie  (link also given above).

Further detail is in Frank Kidson's article from Grove's Dictionary of Music and Musicians (1910: appendix) at the  Musical Traditions website:

Over the Water to Charlie.

Of the two DT entries,  Over the Water to Charlie was transcribed by ear (presumably) from a record by 'Golden Ring'; their source is not mentioned.

Over the Water is the Scots Musical Museum text. The DT contributor, having presumably got it from an anthology, attributes it to Robert Burns; but this is misleading. Kidson considered it an older song 'enlisted in the cause from the accidental use of the name "Charlie"', and went on to mention that it had been '''cried down" at Edinburgh Cross and other places, that is, officially prohibited, by means of the town-crier, from being sung during the Jacobite rising.'


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Over the Water to Charlie
From: rich-joy
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 06:14 PM

The recording that Bryn Pugh is possibly talking about, is the very excellent 1969 LP called "The Fate o' Charlie" featuring Songs of the Jacobite Rebellion, sung (and played) by : Archie Fisher, Barbara Dickson, John MacKinnon.

It can still be found here, on the "out-of-print and rarities" blogspot :

http://time-has-told-me.blogspot.com/2007/08/archie-fisher-barbara-dickson-john.html



Cheers, R-J


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Over the Water to Charlie
From: masato sakurai
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 09:00 PM

The Scots Musical Museum, Volume II, song 187, page 195 - 'O'er the water to Charlie' is at National Burns Collection.


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