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Subject: What do you think about celebrating... From: GUEST Date: 18 Mar 02 - 03:06 PM St. George's Day in England. I have read a lot about this discussion lately (also about making St. George's Day a national holiday) and am interested in your opinions on the topic! Looking forward to yr posts Cheers Sarah |
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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think about celebrating... From: Clinton Hammond Date: 18 Mar 02 - 03:11 PM Is there such a thing as a bad excuse for a holiday? ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think about celebrating... From: Dead Horse Date: 18 Mar 02 - 03:12 PM Nearly all our local morris sides (Kent) start their dancing year on the 23rd April. I'd love it to be a national holiday........but then I aint too fond of work anyhow. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think about celebrating... From: lady penelope Date: 18 Mar 02 - 03:12 PM Can we have a yearly battle between the dragon and St. George and see who wins? I'm up for anything, me! TTFN M'Lady P. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think about celebrating... From: Clinton Hammond Date: 18 Mar 02 - 03:17 PM How about we just let the dragon beat up the Morris dancers? The last time I saw St George, he wasn't looking likely to be vaulting into saddles any time soon... I suspect he'd rather just be left alone to get some rest... ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think about celebrating... From: Mr Red Date: 18 Mar 02 - 03:28 PM As long as it's a red dragon Oh bugger! That would make it Welsh - strike that last remark. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think about celebrating... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 18 Mar 02 - 04:19 PM More holidays the better.
Of course St George isn't just for England. A very popular patron saint - here's the list:
Aragon, agricultural workers, archers, armourers, Boy Scouts, butchers, Canada, Catalonia, cavalry, chivalry, England, equestrians, farmers, Ferrara Italy, field hands, field workers, Genoa Italy, Georgia, Germany, Greece, herpes, horsemen, horses, husbandmen, Istanbul, knights, lepers, leprosy, Lithuania Moscow, Order of the Garter, Palestine, Palestinian Christians, plague, Portugal, riders, saddle makers, saddlers, skin diseases, skin rashes, soldiers, syphilis, Teutonic Knights, Venice.
Syphilis, leprosy, herpes, plague, skin diseases...I suppose thet all count as a sort of dragon. (That list comes from this informative site.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think about celebrating... From: catspaw49 Date: 18 Mar 02 - 04:22 PM The Boy Scouts, herpes AND syphyllis? Interesting job description....... Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think about celebrating... From: Hollowfox Date: 18 Mar 02 - 05:33 PM Nice site, McGrath, thanks. It did a better job than the Catholic Almanac for answering the question: "Who is the patron saint of clowns?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think about celebrating... From: Desdemona Date: 18 Mar 02 - 05:38 PM Excelent idea; St George's Day is also reputed by tradition to be Shakespeare's birthday(he was baptised on the 26th; baptism customarily took place on the 3rd day)! It's also a dead cert that he died on April 23, 1616, but hey, we all have to go sometime, and there's no reason to rain on St George's parade! |
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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think about celebrating... From: Don Firth Date: 18 Mar 02 - 06:33 PM On Mondays I never goes to work, On Tuesdays I stays at 'ome On Wednesdays I never feel inclined, Work is the last thing on my mind. Thursdays an 'oliday, And Fridays I detest! It's too late to make a start on Saturday, And Sunday is the day of rest!! —from an ancient (vinyl) record by a Mudcatter we all know and love. It says it all. I'm with Clinton. Bring on the holidays! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think about celebrating... From: Don Firth Date: 18 Mar 02 - 06:34 PM (Uh -- Hammond, that is!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think about celebrating... From: Don Firth Date: 18 Mar 02 - 06:46 PM Sorry, folks. I hope I haven't confused things. The Mudcatter's record I was referring to was The Many Sides of Sandy Paton, Elektra Records EKL-148, back about 19-ought-58 or so. I was agreeing with Clinton Hammond: who needs an excuse for a holiday? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think about celebrating... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 18 Mar 02 - 08:06 PM And here's St Patrick's list:
against snakes, archdiocese of Boston Massachusetts, diocese of Burlington Vermont, engineers, excluded people, fear of snakes, diocese of Fort Worth, Texas, diocese of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, Ireland, archdiocese of New York, Nigeria, diocese of Norwich, Connecticut, diocese of Portland, Maine, diocese of Sacramento, California, snake bites |
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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think about celebrating... From: GUEST Date: 18 Mar 02 - 08:10 PM Last time I looked, St George was no longer a Saint. Bit of a problem there eh? Cheers
Bugsy |
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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think about celebrating... From: Bugsy Date: 18 Mar 02 - 08:15 PM Whoops! lost my cookie there for a moment. Cheers Bugsy |
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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think about celebrating... From: michaelr Date: 19 Mar 02 - 01:28 AM Bugsy - whaddaya mean, no longer a saint? How'd that happen? Was the dragon vindicated after all? Michael |
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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think about celebrating... From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 19 Mar 02 - 03:13 AM St George a saint no more? Who cares? Even as a Lutheran I appreciate him as patron of the Boy Scouts, and I think it's a good idea to celebrate his day. Methinks the English don't need it as a national Holiday; HM's loyal subjects still have the occasion to celebrate HM's birthday. Wilfried |
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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think about celebrating... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 19 Mar 02 - 08:27 AM I've always thought it's very good of them to lay on the Trooping of the Colour in honour of my daughter's birthday on 16th June. I see it as a sort of giant Morris Dance with a few flesh-and-blood hobbyhorses and toy soldiers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think about celebrating... From: GUEST,MC Fat Date: 19 Mar 02 - 08:39 AM Speaking as a sweaty sock who's been pretending to be Oirsh all weekend (the things you do for dosh) you Sassenachs have one major problemo in that St.George and the St.George's Cross English flag have been hijacked by the Right Wing Nationalist thugs. Seeing an English flag doesn't make people well up with pride it makes a lot of folks scared of what could be going to kick off !! St.George needs re-branding and re-launching and if Glasgow can change it's image from being 'European City of Violence' in the 60's to being 'European City of Culture' in the 80's I'm sure St.George can do the same. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think about celebrating... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 19 Mar 02 - 08:59 AM The most times I've seen an English flag flying has been on C of E churches when they are having a fete. Not that threatening.
All right, there are football rowdies who use it these days - but even so, they are more likely to use the Union Jack (and I know "Union Flag"). And that (unfairly enough) is the one with most of the nasty associations. That's the one with all the association with Nazis and and "Loyalists" and Tories.
To avoid that kind of stuff anyway, the day should be celebrated with all the relevant national flags - so as well as England, that's Greece, Germany, Georgia(the European Georgia that is), Canada, Catalonia, Lithuania, Palestine and Portugal. Which should make for a very lively display. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think about celebrating... From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 19 Mar 02 - 11:28 AM Oh, oh, my dear McGrath - Germany doesn't belong to this group. We Krauts or Fritzes are originally named "Michels" after our patron St Michael. Only the landed gentry formerly manning the Imperial Castle of Friedberg could have flown their flag on this occasion, since they had St george as patron, but the castle was disbanded in 1806 and later on sucked in by the brave commoners of the Town of Friedberg (formerly Imperial and free, too, but alas! now intermediate). But shouldn't you include the Russians, too? But otherwise, a very good idea! When will you start the celebration? Wilfried |
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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think about celebrating... From: SharonA Date: 19 Mar 02 - 05:07 PM Hmmm... St. Patrick is the patron saint of the diocese of the capital of Pennsylvania? So how come there are still so many snakes in office there??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think about celebrating... From: SharonA Date: 19 Mar 02 - 05:08 PM (in the capital, I mean, not the diocese!!!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think about celebrating... From: Liz the Squeak Date: 19 Mar 02 - 06:06 PM I think we should make every one drink good old English Ale for the whole weekend. I bloody hate Guinness....! And the story with the dragon is made up. It's an analogy for sin. I always sided with the dragon anyway. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think about celebrating... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 19 Mar 02 - 06:14 PM I'm going by that list I put in here.
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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think about celebrating... From: Desdemona Date: 19 Mar 02 - 06:40 PM I'm with Liz..... "I cannot eat but little meat/My stomach is not good?But sure I think that I can drink?With him that wears a hood. Though I go bare take ye no care/For I am never cold/I stuff my skin so well within/With jolly good ale and old!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think about celebrating... From: kendall Date: 19 Mar 02 - 11:44 PM Goddamn it Liz, stop swearing~! you hate Guinness...my God woman! keep you personal problwms to your self, eh? Sorry, right now I'm getting aquainted with a bottle of Scotch. As recently as recently, I hated Scotch, but, we are getting aquainted, andf he's /she;s not such a bad fellow at all! |
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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think about celebrating... From: Liz the Squeak Date: 20 Mar 02 - 12:35 AM Kendall - sorry mate, but that's how it goes. Personally, I'm rather fond of scotch, in moderation and as long as it isn't that Detol flavoured peaty muck.. Guinness makes me heave BEFORE I get drunk, never mind the hangover!! Besides, the only Irish I have in me is several bottles of Irish Whiskey. Pass the Jamesons please!!! LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think about celebrating... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 20 Mar 02 - 07:11 AM Now if you don't like Guinness, Liz, here's something you really won't like -Russian Stout
My wife always calls Guinness (or Murphys) "Your black bog beer".
Mind, in pubs where they don't look after it right and serve it right, it can taste pretty disgusting. So it's possible you might just have been unlucky, and you might be surprised if you tried it again. But probably not, it's a taste that takes acquiring.
My granny, who ran a pub in Clonmel, thought I needed building up when we went to visit her, when I was a little boy, so she insisted I drank Guinness, and she'd put a big spoon of sugar at the bottom. But I mustn't stir it, so I had to drink it all to get at the Guinness-flavoured sugar, which is a great taste. (Not at all the same as sugar-flavoured Guinness!) |