Lyr Req: sulva bay? / Suvla Bay / Suda Bay

Subject: sulva bay
From: Tam the bam fraeSaltcoatsScotland
Date: 20 Mar 02 - 01:55 PM

My name is Tom Hamilton,

I am looking for the words to a song called Sulva bay,

I understand that it was written and sung during the the first and second world wars. It might also be called Suda bay. I also understand that it could be Australian

I would be really gratefull if you can help me.

Tom

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: sulva bay
From: MMario
Date: 20 Mar 02 - 02:15 PM

one version

another version

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: sulva bay
From: Mickey191
Date: 21 Mar 02 - 03:20 AM

Afterthought:It was better to die neath an Irish sky Then at Suvla or Su Del Bar (sp?) For had they died at Pearces side, or fought with Valera* true. Their graves we'd keep where the Finians sleep, in the shroud of the Foggy Dew. *Valera's name is no longer sung- it's been replaced with another patriot. (Can't come up with it)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: sulva bay
From: Tam the bam fraeSaltcoatsScotland
Date: 21 Mar 02 - 03:46 AM

Thank you all who helped me

Tom Hamilton

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: sulva bay
From: Paddy Plastique
Date: 21 Mar 02 - 03:53 AM

'Cathal Brugha', Mickey (pron. Caw-hal Broo-a). Shocked to find it ever mentioned Dev...
Then again, it was written by a priest :->

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: sulva bay
From: GUEST,Paddy Joe
Date: 21 Mar 02 - 06:00 AM

Mickey this lovely song has nothing to do with The Foggy Dew, see MMario`s blue thing. Paddy Joe.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: sulva bay
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 21 Mar 02 - 05:44 PM

Paddy, I think Cathal Brugha was the original name, Dev being a later substitution. Brugha died (fighting) in 1921 or 1922. Also, his name fits the song perfectly, whereas Dev's had to be lengthened to 'De Valera true'. Don't blame the priests for everything! :-)))

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: sulva bay
From: Gareth
Date: 21 Mar 02 - 06:55 PM

Dammm ! Had they privetesed Lincoln Goal that long ago !

History anoraks will get the point !!!

Gareth

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: sulva bay
From: greg stephens
Date: 21 Mar 02 - 07:07 PM

That's why Cathal Brugha changed his name. He knew they'ld never put him in the Foggy Dew as Charlie Burgess.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: sulva bay
From: Mickey191
Date: 21 Mar 02 - 07:33 PM

Paddy Joe, Do I have to look at Mario's Blue Clicky? My lines were from The Foggy Dew (Revolutionary). I quoted it as I learned it, when I was a child. It is in the Digitrad with a difference in the last line.Slainte Maithe!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: sulva bay
From: leprechaun
Date: 21 Mar 02 - 10:39 PM

You don't have to. But I will.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: sulva bay
From: Mickey191
Date: 21 Mar 02 - 11:05 PM

Wa it fun?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: sulva bay
From: Mickey191
Date: 21 Mar 02 - 11:13 PM

Add an s. Thanks Greg, I always wondered. Anyone able to address the general feeling of the Irish in Regards to Eamon DeValeras Rep.?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: sulva bay
From: GUEST,B.J.
Date: 22 Mar 02 - 06:03 AM

suvla bay is in turkey.australian and new zealand troops were landed there during the great war. It is a place very strong in australian military tradition.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: sulva bay
From: GUEST,Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 02 - 06:17 AM

The odd British also BJ !

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: sulva bay
From: Tam the bam fraeSaltcoatsScotland
Date: 22 Mar 02 - 08:07 AM

Yes my grandfather fought there when he was a young man.

So he saw the slaughter that went on there.

Tom Hamilton

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: sulva bay
From: GUEST,Harley-Friend
Date: 22 Mar 02 - 04:48 PM

Suvla Bay is well reknown as a fake-attack. The Brits won't sent their own soldiers to hell for nothing. So the Australian, Irish and New-Zealanders must die. It was a slaughtering.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: sulva bay
From: Mickey191
Date: 23 Mar 02 - 01:40 AM

Guest Harley-Friend, My Dad used to say it was Churchill's job to pick which regiments were sent for this slaughter- and that an inordinate amount of young Irishmen were chosen. Another way to deal with the "Irish Problem."

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: sulva bay
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 23 Mar 02 - 06:59 AM

G'day Mick, BJ and all,

As I understand it, the really important area for Australia/New Zealand (ANZACs) was Gallipoli ... and Suvla Bay was very much a British Army action and didn't affect the Australia New Zealand Army Corps (ANZACs) so much.

So why do we have such a heartfelt song about Suvla Bay? Who knows? A lot of Australians (like my Grandfather Bolton) were in the ANZAC only because they had come to Australia a few years before. Then again, a very large lot would have reacted against Churchill's convenient exterminations of troublesome Irish (as would the Quinns, on my mother's family side). The song can lead to all sorts of history.

Regards,

Bob Bolton

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: sulva bay
From: Tam the bam fraeSaltcoatsScotland
Date: 24 Mar 02 - 06:21 AM

The british have done this sort of thing before, I'm talking about Earl Haig and his Pals, who just sent in thousands and thousands of young men to their death.

While he and his pals were over here in comfort, the young men as I say were getting slaughterd.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: sulva bay
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 26 Mar 02 - 09:18 AM

I noticed some inconsistency in spelling. Google gives 960 hits on "Suvla Bay" and 172 hits on "Sulva Bay" – certainly enough to mislead the unwary. The Columbia Encyclopedia mentions "Suvla" but not "Sulva." That's enough to convince me "Suvla" is right and "Sulva" is a misspelling.