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Origin: By the Hush / Paddy's Lamentation

GUEST,Rich_and_Dee 27 Mar 02 - 10:53 AM
Alice 27 Mar 02 - 11:11 AM
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Irish sergeant 27 Mar 02 - 03:55 PM
Alice 27 Mar 02 - 08:01 PM
Dicho (Frank Staplin) 27 Mar 02 - 08:19 PM
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Dicho (Frank Staplin) 27 Mar 02 - 08:43 PM
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Subject: 'By the Hush' origins
From: GUEST,Rich_and_Dee
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 10:53 AM

Hi,

Does anyone know the origin of the great old song 'By the Hush'. Sure, it's about the American Civil War, but was it written during that conflict, or much later? Is the author known? Was it an adaptation of an earlier song?

Thanks,

Rich


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Subject: RE: Help: 'By the Hush' origins
From: Alice
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 11:11 AM

Rich, see this earlier thread on Paddy's Lamentation (By The Hush).

Click Here PADDY'S LAMENTATION


Alice


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Subject: RE: Help: 'By the Hush' origins
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 11:15 AM

The version we are all familiar with is Edith Fowke's, collected in Maritime Canada (?) It is a song about a Irish Famine immigrant being conscripted to fight in the US Civil War.

I recall there was an interesting thread about it's origins in rec.music.folk that Abby Sale (who occassionally posts here) was involved in a few years back.


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Subject: RE: Help: 'By the Hush' origins
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 03:55 PM

I don't know if it dates to the conflict or is actually a little later. The general feel is that of disillusionment which given the fighting the Irish brigade saw certainly would not have been unknown or unjustified. For all the leadership qualities Thomas Francis Meagher had. I have to question sending his men into a fight with smoothbore musket. His view waas the fighting would be too close to effectively use rifled muskets. I wonder how many died over that little brain fart. The brigade was eventually issued Enfiled rifled muskets in late 1864 there abouts but had been shattered in some of the war's hardest fighting. Hope this helps. Don't know who wrote it but it is a great song. Andy Stewart of Silly Wizard does a marvelous version by the way. Kindest regards, Neil


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Subject: RE: Help: 'By the Hush' origins
From: Alice
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 08:01 PM

I sang it on a radio program here about a week and a half ago. My recording is linked in the other thread. People here in Montana have no illusions about Meagher.

Alice


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Subject: RE: Help: 'By the Hush' origins
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 08:19 PM

Who the Irish fought with in the Civil War depended on where they landed. Those who landed in the state that became Confederate fought for the Gray. The hstory of the Irish in New Orleans is particularly involved and interesting.


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Subject: RE: Help: 'By the Hush' origins
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 08:39 PM

Dicho; Absolutely correct. Wheat's Tigers had a strong Irish complexion as the Georgia's Clinch's Rifles.General Patrick Cleburne was born in Ireland and had fought in Crimea. One of New Orleans first commissioner of police wad a man by the name of Hennessy who earned the dubious distinction of being one of the first Mafia victims in America. He spent his carreer fighting the nascent criminal organization and even trailed Mafia killers to Sicily arranging for their arrest and extradition to Louisiana for trial. Kindest regards, Neil


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Subject: RE: Help: 'By the Hush' origins
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 08:43 PM

The original, "Paddy's Lament," was published in 1864 by Magnus, New York, The song is by John Ross Dix, with the tune "I'm Sitting on the Stile." There have been a number of variants, including "By the Hush," since. The song is on the American Memory site: Memory
Click on Search and enter "Paddy's Lament."


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Subject: RE: Help: 'By the Hush' origins
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 08:47 PM

Sorry. Missed a period. Memory


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Subject: RE: Help: 'By the Hush' origins
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 10:29 PM

The 1864 "Paddy's Lament has been posted here: Paddy's


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Subject: RE: Origin: By the Hush / Paddy's Lamentation
From: GUEST,PrdCelt
Date: 11 Jan 11 - 11:55 AM

1) Don't be too harsh on Meagher, the Irish Brigade was poorly used at Antietam and Fredricksburg, the latter in particular where they where asked to take on a dug in enemy with excellent fields of fire (see Longstreets comments).

2) There is an alternate story (which I am am trying to locate a refrence) that this song actually had origin as British propaganda, trying to discourage emmigration at this point as they feared now too many were leaving (someone has to work the Landlords ground and pay rents you know) and also concern that a lot of Irishmen were now getting a lot of Military experience and this would be a problem in the future.


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Subject: RE: Origin: By the Hush / Paddy's Lamentation
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 11 Jan 11 - 12:07 PM

A search at the LOC's American Memory on "Paddy's Lament" yields three songs by that title, but none of them are closely related to Paddy's Lamentations / By the Hush.

PrdCelt, we'd be interested in your references for the British propaganda theory.

~ Becky in Long Beach


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Subject: RE: Origin: By the Hush / Paddy's Lamentation
From: Charmion
Date: 11 Jan 11 - 01:31 PM

Subject: RE: Help: 'By the Hush' origins
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 11:15 AM

The version we are all familiar with is Edith Fowke's, collected in Maritime Canada (?) It is a song about a Irish Famine immigrant being conscripted to fight in the US Civil War.

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Edith Fowke collected "By the Hush" in Hull, Quebec, from a retired bus driver named O.J. Abbott, during the late 1940s, perhaps early '50s. As a young man, Mr. Abbott worked in the bush in winter and on farms in summer. He learned "By the Hush" from a farm family in the Ottawa Valley, if I recall correctly.


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