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Subject: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: GUEST
Date: 12 May 02 - 06:57 PM

Breaking news!

How stupid is that?

I'll leave you to make your own conclusion as to what is the stupid bit (Hint - it's not my posting as a guest...)


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: GUEST
Date: 12 May 02 - 07:04 PM

Click here for more.

"Why do you have to be a heartbreaker?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Anahootz
Date: 12 May 02 - 07:04 PM

What, that she didn't see it coming?

;)


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: GUEST
Date: 12 May 02 - 07:18 PM

I always believed she could have been more than she became.

Now we know why she never stayed on top - it was because of the addiction to pot.

Hope she gets some re-hab help out of this incident.

Sad, Sad, Sad


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 12 May 02 - 07:31 PM

Heh... addiction to pot... Now THAT'S funny!

The sad part is that it made the news at all... Do you have any idea how many people daily are 'busted' for this level of possession???

THAT'W what's really stupid...


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 12 May 02 - 07:32 PM

Almost as bad as my proof-reading...

(in my defence, Trading Spaces is on.. )

LOL!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Bobert
Date: 12 May 02 - 07:33 PM

Addicted to pot, hahahaha....

Excuse me, ol' Bobert will be right back...

Gotta go shoot up, ahhhhh, snort, ahhhhhh, have a toke or two..... Yaeh, Reefer Madness....


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 May 02 - 07:54 PM

Copied as close to memory as possible from the great standup philosopher, Leonard A. Schneider:

"Marijuana will lead you to all sorts of other things and into a life of narcotics. Heroin, Cocaine...they start with marijuana!

Yeah....right.........

Marijuana.......marijuana.......marijuana gives you one thing.....the Devil's Tool............Pleasure.............But you go to jail and you wind up in the same cell as murderer and.....

'So tell me cellmate....How did you get into this life of crime and become the robber, rapist, and murderer you are now?'

'Well, I started playing Bingo in the Catholic Church.........'

Yeah....Marijuana.....what a crime......."


Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: pict
Date: 12 May 02 - 08:31 PM

LOL! Spaw.I'm amazed that people still spout that tosh about getting addicted to grass.The laws in the US on cannabis are ridiculous even the uptight Brit politicians are relaxing the laws nonetheless she is stupid for being so blatant about it knowing what could happen.Drug prohibition simply does not work anywhere and never has it's time to wake up to that fact and come up with a different plan on how to deal with the drug issue.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 May 02 - 09:47 PM

To arrest anyone for the personal possession of a few joints isn't just stupid...it's ridiculous. The illegality of marijuana itself is ridiculous, and is supported by people who are woefully ignorant of both the substance and its effects...or are just sheep who believe anything Big Brother tells them.

They are also sheep who are routinely addicted to any number of dangerous legal substances which ARE addictive. Marijuana is not, and it's not dangerous either.

What a farce it all is. What a waste of time for police and for the courts. What a sad and sorry social mess.

A free people should have the absolute right to grow, harvest, and smoke marijuana if they so desire.

I have no personal liking for it whatsoever...I don't like smoking ANYTHING nor do I have a desire to get stoned on anything...but it should not be illegal.

People wouldn't be worried about "getting on top" in the first place, were they not addicted to fame. Now that's an addiction worth watching out for, kiddies...it can screw up your whole life! I kid you not.

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 12 May 02 - 10:10 PM

Booze is a hell of a lot more addictive, unhealthy and dangerous than pot...


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 May 02 - 10:22 PM

Yes, and so are Coca Cola, coffee, and Pepsi, not to mention cigarettes.

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Giac
Date: 12 May 02 - 10:35 PM

Wasn't it "A Child's Garden Of Grass" that made a statement to the effect that it would take as much marijuana as could be contained in the Empire State Building to kill you?

How could anyone stay conscious and quit grinning long enough to ingest or inhale that much pot? But way back then, I thought it would be fun to give it a try.

~;o)


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Bobert
Date: 12 May 02 - 10:37 PM

Well, danged... All this talk of smoking dope and like i said above, I went out in the woods and had me a couple bowls. Well, having been on the wagon for several months, you'd think I'd be craving herion but to tell ya the honest truth, it was fun for about a half an hour and then just made me sleepy.

Yep, Little Hawk is right. Fame, Cola and cigarettes are the real addicters.

Think I'll go back on the wagon....

Stoned (kind of...) Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 May 02 - 10:48 PM

LOL! Actually, Bobert, I've always thought the supposed effects of pot were very exaggerated in most people's minds. According to my observations of others, and my own firsthand experiences I can say this...most people get about as stoned on it as they think they are going to...or ought to. I had one friend who got outrageously stoned on...vitamin pills. He'd been told they were "uppers" by friends who were playing a trick on him. He even had hallucinations. They didn't have the heart to tell him afterward that it was only vitamin pills, and I doubt he would have believed them anyway! :-)

That a civilization should attach so much importance to an innocuous substance like pot is clear evidence that we are not nearly as enlightened as people like to think we are. Matter of fact, we're still in the Dark Ages, mired in mythology, superstition, and deep ignorance.

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Metchosin
Date: 12 May 02 - 11:00 PM

jeez if your observations are based on your own firsthand experience Little Hawk, you might want to look into getting a different supplier.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: pict
Date: 12 May 02 - 11:17 PM

funny pot pic


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 May 02 - 12:21 AM

One element of truth... Pot is worse for your lungs than tobacco...


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 13 May 02 - 12:41 AM

Each day when she wakes up
Before she puts on her makeup
She smokes a little bowl of boo
While getting a buzz, now
She tries to avoid the fuzz, now
And smokes a little bowl of boo


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: fat B****rd
Date: 13 May 02 - 03:23 AM

I love the Warwick/Bacharach/David songs and I only hope this is all she's been doing and that she doesn't become self righteous about smoking "pot" in the future. Walk on by Di.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: GUEST,man with long hair smoking funny tobacco
Date: 13 May 02 - 04:05 AM

Wow! Dionne Warwick.Man it sure is strange that the two things that do NOTHING for you, alcohol and tobacco, are legal and yet the two things that are grown naturally on the planet, pot and mushrooms, are illegal. Don't you think that making something that grows naturally, against the law, a bit unnatural.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: GUEST,Fred
Date: 13 May 02 - 04:09 AM

hmmm, tobacco grows naturally, and yeast fermenting sugar is a pretty natural process too...

Fred


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: GUEST,man with long hair smoking funny tobacco
Date: 13 May 02 - 04:30 AM

Wow! your'e right man, let's smoke some yeast fermenting sugar,the cops will never know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: gnu
Date: 13 May 02 - 05:08 AM

All things in moderation. Except for the police, of course.

Pot will never be legal in a society which allows the booze barons to control the legislators. In Canada, in the '70's, a Royal Commission, the LeDain Commission (?), recommended the legalization of pot. Now, when a Royal Commission says let's do this or that, it usually gets done. However, around the same time, I recall reading that Seagram's was the third most profitable corporation in NA at around a half billion dollars per annum.

In any case, I don't care what the laws are regarding pot or booze or cocaine or whatever. Except for tobacco, for which a date should be set for irradication.... the sooner the better. Let's see those SWAT teams raiding tobacco farms.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: SharonA
Date: 13 May 02 - 10:28 AM

I agree with pict: Trying to sneak some marijuana onto a plane in a lipstick case – knowing that airports are screening people with more diligence these days than they used to, and knowing that marijuana possession is currently illegal in the US – was just plain dumb. She could have had gotten some, or had someone in her entourage get some for her, after she'd reached her flight destination, where the odds are better that she wouldn't have gotten caught. Bad career move, Dionne.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: allanwill
Date: 13 May 02 - 10:49 AM

This is kinda interesting

Allan


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: allanwill
Date: 13 May 02 - 10:51 AM

OK - that's different?!

Anyway, it seems to work if you click on me (gently).

Allan


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 May 02 - 10:55 AM

Yes, it is very silly to try to take marijuana through an airport security, no doubt about that. But not as silly as making it illegal in the first place! However, those are 2 entirely separate matters...

Metchosin - I stand by what I said. Pot is no big deal, and I have been amazed for decades by how big a deal people make it into...whether they are for it or against it. Most of my friends in the early 70's were virtually religious about the stuff...along with its spinoffs, hash and hash oil. It was laughable how serious they were about it all, and how much it occupied their daily attention, conversation, and so on. Meanwhile, life was going by....

On the rare few occasions (a handful) when I tried smoking it, just in order to become informed as to precisely what was going on, I got...

1st time: VERY stoned for about 10 minutes, didn't like it too much, exerted some rigorous mental control and got un-stoned after a brief struggle. (and it tasted bloody awful)

2nd time: nothing. No effect whatsoever. Still smelled and tasted bloody awful.

3rd, 4rth, 5th times: Like the 2nd time. What is the fuss about anyway??? Decided the whole thing was a complete waste of time...not to mention money.

6th time: (Fifteen years later) Smoked a joint that had been packed with roaches, unbeknownst to me, from 15 or 20 previous joints...got VERY stoned for about 1/2 hour. It was an experience that was at first interesting, then frightening, then exhilarating, then relaxing.

7th & 8th times: (shortly thereafter) No effect whatsoever.

These experiences occurred over a period of about 20 years, during which I observed hundreds and hundreds of other people smoking thousands and thousands of joints, hash pipes, etc. What I can mainly say about it is, people do it in order to fit in with their peers, because it is "forbidden fruit", and because they associate it with being fun and with being "cool". People are silly.

However, it could be a whole lot worse. They could be drinking and smoking cigarettes! Matter of fact, most of them did those things too... (sigh) People are damned silly.

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Bobert
Date: 13 May 02 - 11:22 AM

Little Hawk: I think you're on to something. I just read in last weeks Washington Post about anit-depression medications for which a lot of folks are shelling out their hard earned dough. Well Paxil and Zoloft don't do as well as sugar pills. They actually did CAT scans and found that the folks on the sugar pills were effected more than those on the high priced stuff.

So I guess if there are any Catters out there taking anti-depressdants, you might want to ask your doctors to change your perscriptions to sugar pills...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: GUEST
Date: 13 May 02 - 12:33 PM

Go out and score a lid Fat Freddy and don't get burned


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Hollowfox
Date: 13 May 02 - 04:55 PM

Great link, Alinact. Now, if only they'd explain just *how* to feed caffeine, etc to a spider...stuff it in an insect? This could put a whole new angle on that new Spider Man movie.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: GUEST
Date: 13 May 02 - 07:16 PM

Sorry Little Hawk - you obviously were not smoking "the good stuff." When you are "stoned" YOU KNOW IT!!! Expect to pay 200-500. I've had some killer shit - two tokes and Good Nite Irene!

KonaCoast's-BeachBoyBob's-BetterPunnaButter.

Probably what they grow in the Shire.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: GUEST
Date: 13 May 02 - 07:20 PM

One of the VERY FEW postings about music ever posted by Catspaw

http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=409515

Don't Bogart That Joint


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: GUEST
Date: 13 May 02 - 07:34 PM

Don't know why this is not in the DT collection but here is Shel Silverstein's "Smoke Off"

In the laid back California town of sunny San Rafael

Lived a girl named Pearly Sweetcake, you prob'ly knew her well.

She'd been stoned fifteen of her eighteen years and the story was widely told

That she could smoke 'em faster than anyone could roll.

Her legend finally reached New York, that Grove Street walk-up flat

Where dwelt The Calistoga Kid, a beatnik from the past

With long browned lightnin' fingers he takes a cultured toke

And says, "Hell, I can roll 'em faster, Jim, than any chick can smoke!"

So a note gets sent to San Rafael, "For the Championship of the World

The Kid demands a smoke off!" "Well, bring him on!" says Pearl,

"I'll grind his fingers off his hands, he'll roll until he drops!"

Says Calistog, "I'll smoke that twist till she blows up and pops!"

So they rent out Yankee Stadium and the word is quickly spread

"Come one, come all, who walk or crawl, price – just two lids a head

And from every town and hamlet, over land and sea they speed

The world's greatest dopers, with the Worlds greatest weed Hashishers from Morocco, hemp smokers from Peru

And the Shamnicks from Bagun who puff the deadly Pugaroo

And those who call it Light of Life and those that call it boo.

See the dealers and their ladies wearing turquoise, lace, and leather

See the narcos and the closet smokers puffin' all together

From the teenies who smoke legal to the ones who've done some time

To the old man who smoked "reefer" back before it was a crime

And the grand old house that Ruth built is filled with the smoke and cries

Of fifty thousand screaming heads all stoned out of their minds.

And they play the national anthem and the crowd lets out a roar

As the spotlight hits The Kid and Pearl, ready for their smokin' war

At a table piled up high with grass, as high as a mountain peak

Just tops and buds of the rarest flowers, not one stem, branch or seed.

Maui Wowie, Panama Red and Acapulco Gold.

Kif from East Afghanistan and rare Alaskan Cold.

Sticks from Thailand, Ganja from the Islands, and Bangkok's Bloomin' Best.

And some of that wet imported shit that capsized off Key West.

Oaxacan tops and Kenya Bhang and Riviera Fleurs.

And that rare Manhatten Silver that grows down in the New York sewers.

And there's bubblin' ice cold lemonade and sweet grapes by the bunches.

And there's Hershey's bars, and Oreos, 'case anybody gets the munchies.

And the Calistoga Kid, he sneers, and Pearley, she just grins.

And the drums roll low and the crowd yells "GO!" and the world's first Smoke Off begins.

Kid flicks his magic fingers once and ZAP! that first joint's rolled.

Pearl takes one drag with her mighty lungs and WOOSH! that roach is cold.

Then The Kid he rolls his Super Bomb that'd paralyze a moose.

And Pearley takes one super hit and SLURP! that bomb' defused.

Then he rolls three in just ten seconds and she smokes 'em up in nine,

And everybody sits back and says, "This just might take some time."

See the blur of flyin' fingers, see the red coal burnin' bright

As the night turns into mornin' and the mornin' fades to night

And the autumn turns to summer and a whole damn year is gone

But the two still sit on that roach-filled stage, smokin' and rollin' on

With tremblin' hands he rolls his jays with fingers blue and stiff

She coughs and stares with bloodshot gaze, and puffs through blistered lips.

And as she reaches out her hand for another stick of gold

The Kid he gasps, "Goddamn it, bitch, there's nothin' left to roll!"

"Nothin' left to roll?", screams Pearl, "Is this some twisted joke?"

"I didn't come here to fuck around, man, I come here to SMOKE!"

And she reaches 'cross the table And grabs his bony sleeves

And she crumbles his body between her hands like dried and brittle leaves

Flickin' out his teeth and bones like useless stems and seeds

And then she rolls him in a Zig Zag and lights him like a roach. And the fastest man with the fastest hands goes up in a puff of smoke.

In the laid-back California town of sunny San Rafael

Lives a girl named Pearly Sweetcake, you prob'ly know her well.

She's been stoned twenty-one of her twenty-four years, and the story's widely told.

How she still can smoke them faster than anyone can roll

While off in New York City on a street that has no name.

There's the hands of the Calistoga Kid in the Viper Hall of Fame

And underneath his fingers there's a little golden scroll

That says, Beware of Bein' the Roller When There's Nothin' Left to Roll.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: GUEST
Date: 13 May 02 - 07:34 PM

http://www.vaz1.com/bill/pot/reefersongs.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: mack/misophist
Date: 13 May 02 - 08:06 PM

With a good lawyer, I suspect she'll get off. After all, what's the probable cause for looking for explosives in a damn lipstick container? That'll be hard to justify.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 13 May 02 - 08:14 PM

Guest, thanks for the Shel song. What a stoned epic!


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: GUEST
Date: 14 May 02 - 12:54 AM

REEFER MADNESS

'There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others.'

-Harry Anslinger, testifying to Congress, 1937


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: michaelr
Date: 14 May 02 - 01:11 AM

Anslinger sure had it right on, didn't he?


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 14 May 02 - 02:58 PM

Yeah. I heard Anslinger's wife ran off with a Negro entertainer from the Phillipines in 1938.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: gnu
Date: 14 May 02 - 03:01 PM

Talk about STRANGE. On the news last night, I just caught the end of a story on the public hearings for pot law reform ONGOING in Canada. The hearings are taking place NOW... I think they said Man. or Sask. at present, moving east. Or was that before I woke up from my nap ? Any Canucks dream the same thing ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: MMario
Date: 14 May 02 - 03:17 PM

There have been multiple studies showing that chocolate is physically addictive - but you don't hear people screaming for it to be banned do you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: GUEST,Just Amy
Date: 14 May 02 - 04:40 PM

One toke over the line!


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 May 02 - 03:39 PM

Good point, Mario. Chocolate is HIGHLY addictive, mind-altering, and it rots your teeth! The reason marijuana is illegal is:

1. you can easily create it in the privacy of your own home or garden...thus it is not possible to monopolize it through a big, profitable industry, package it, and sell it for 500 times what it's worth to people who can't figure out how to manufacture it themselves!!! This is not the case with chocolate, liquor, or tobacco...

2. Social prejudice. It was originally the drug of the "lower classes"...hispanics, blacks, and jazz musicians...society's rejects in the view of the high and mighty...therefore it was stigmatized as a "bad drug". Tobacco, alcohol, and chocolate on the other hand belong to "decent" society...in fact are quite upper class.

GUEST - And what kind of fool would I have to be to spend $200 to $500...just for a brief high???? You gotta be kidding. Money isn't so easy to get that I'm going to "blow" it in that fashion, I can assure you. Besides, the other people who were smoking that stuff that I found so underwhelming thought it was first-class stuff! And, hell, they were far more experienced at it than I was. I think the whole thing is a tempest in a tea pot. If it was legal, nobody would think it was a big deal anymore. If you made coffee illegal, people would soon be willing to pay almost ANYTHING for it, and MAN would they ever get high! It's asinine to make any natural substance illegal for people to use if they want to use it, and it arises out of a self-righteous Christian religious heritage which is as hypocritical as it is impractical. They used to outlaw dancing and tea drinking too, you know...led straight to Satan, they said.

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: pict
Date: 15 May 02 - 04:26 PM

Little Hawk I don't doubt that you had little or no effect you have after all you only tried it a few times I was smoking for quite a while and thought I was immune to the effects I couldn't figure out what all the fuss was about then one night I mentioned this to some smokers I knew so they set about trying to get me stoned and wham!!!I got so out of my head it wasn't funny and I had a whitey of mythical proportions after that whenever I had a smoke I got stoned according to the quality of the weed.It most certainly has well documented physical effects as scientific studies have shown.If you can get stoned on your own then I can't see how peer pressure can be relevant.

I gave up smoking about 12 years ago it was a combination of wanting to stop smoking tobacco and also the fact that to get some weed I had to go to a dealer where there were frequently shady characters looking for a bit and even the odd junkie(and I can't abide junkies) now and then,who I really didn't enjoy meeting.Of course if it had been legal I would have been able to grow my own and therefore could have avoided the ne'er do wells who sometimes hover around the hash scene.The following link has a lot of info on many drugs including user reports of positive and negative effects.

erowid.org drug info


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 15 May 02 - 05:12 PM

So I guess if there are any Catters out there taking anti-depressdants, you might want to ask your doctors to change your perscriptions to sugar pills...

See, I always knew chocolate was better than skunk!

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Gray D
Date: 15 May 02 - 05:16 PM

Now, I know you people are true academics, so somebody find the study carried out under the auspices of New York's La Guardia administration in 1944, in answer to the notorious Harry Anslinger's absurd propaganda, and give us a blue clicky to it.

Oh and there is a superb documentary film about the whole subject, voiced over by actor Woody Harrelson, but I can't recall the title of it for the life of me . . . 'cos of my advancing years, not what you were thinking. Perhaps, one of you could provide the name, for the education and delight of the group.

And you might wish to look at the following:-

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/dope/etc/cron.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 May 02 - 12:37 AM

Bill Maher, of Politically Incorrect, says that marijuana will never be made legal until it someday kills someone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Peg
Date: 16 May 02 - 09:59 AM

Another reason for the ridiculous harassment of people smoking or possessing small amounts of pot for their personal use is that the "WAR ON DRUGS" is a big joke. The government has no real interest in stopping the cocaine and heroin trades because they are complicit in it. Kids today are back to snorting glue and inhalants, for gods' sake, and popping whatever pils they can find. Oxycontin is horribly addictive and prescriptions are stolen constantly so the drug can be sold on the street (since crushing and snorting it is now a fashionable new high). Also, kids are buying and using what they think is ecstasy pills and what they actually, often, get is whaetever the greedy "manufacturer" wants to put into it.

Marijuana takes up a lot of space, has a strong odor, and is easy to spot with infra-red devices in planes. Because it is so ubiquitous and so easy to find, by going after productive members of society who use, the govt and law enforcement can appear to be "winning" the "WAR ON DRUGS" but really all they are doing is making the drug abuse problem worse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 16 May 02 - 10:57 AM

Guest with long hair smoking funny tobbacco-in the UK mushrooms are legal, as long as you don't cook them.I used to live opposite a cemetry (Northern Cemetry, Hull) and in certain times of the year I would often see people with long hair and beards picking mushrooms there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 16 May 02 - 12:10 PM

Legalize it. Tax it. Impose similar restrictions to those on alcohol regarding underage users, driving, etc.

FREE DIONNE!


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Kim C
Date: 16 May 02 - 01:19 PM

I don't care for pot either - it made my eyes and throat uncomfortably dry, and the last time I had any (about 15 years ago) I threw up. So, no more pot for me. I'd rather have a beer.

Plus, whenever you've smoked it, EVERYBODY knows what you've been up to, because of the odor.

HOWEVER..... I do agree that it's silly to arrest people who possess marijuana for their own personal use. Now, people who have a ton and they're selling to kids, that's a different story. But I'm all for informed adults having the right to poison themselves any way they choose.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 May 02 - 01:50 PM

"We are not nearly as enlightened as people like to think we are."(Little Hawk.

What people are those? And what are they on?

Pedantic note: I think Shel Silverstein got it wrong with "Kif from East Afghanistan" in that song - that's what they grow in Morocco. I'm not sure if the word is Arabic or Berber, but it's surely not Afghani.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 May 02 - 02:23 PM

McGrath - LOL! Well, they are our teachers, our political leaders, our doctors, our scientists, our generals...you know, the people who are officially "in charge" of society. They seem to like giving the impression we are living in very advanced and enlightened times...just the way their predecessors did in any given past era you could care to mention. They may even believe it! It's a case of an ape patting itself on the back for its brilliance and its omnipotent powers of creation and destruction.

pict - You may be right. I just didn't smoke pot enough times to develop a real taste for it and the knack for getting stoned properly. It takes time to get past the fact that beer tastes awful too, and get to the point where you begin to think it tastes good. My question is, in either case, why bother??? :-) I obey the natural wisdom of my body which tells me that smoke is not to be inhaled, and beer tastes bloody awful, so why drink it? My body knows what it's talking about. LOL!

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 May 02 - 02:28 PM

I tend to agree with Little Hawk.

I tried the stuff twice back in the early Sixties. The first time, I experienced some "space-time dilation" which was pretty weird, but I can't really say I got "high." The following day I felt a little fuzzy around the edges—hard to concentrate—which was annoying as hell because I was at the Berkeley Folk Festival, there were workshops I was attending, and I wanted to be alert. And despite thoroughly brushing my teeth, I had a mouth like the bottom of a bird cage.

I mentioned to one of the guys who was at the affair where I first tried it that, frankly, I couldn't really see what all the shouting was about. He said, "You're being to analytical. You have to just 'go with the flow.'" A month or two later, back in Seattle, I tried it again. I got a bit woozy, but two beers on an empty stomach could do that, and I can't get arrested for drinking two beers in someone's private home.

I figured "to hell with this!" I drank unhealthy amounts of coffee, I smoked like a chimney (really bright for a guy who sings!!), and although I rarely got tiddly, I enjoyed many a convivial brewski with friends, and the hard stuff when I could afford it. I already had enough bad habits.

When at songfests and such where my pot-smoking friends were indulging, in their euphoric state they would say glowing things like, "God, man, I've never played this well!" or "I've never heard you play this well!" attributing their brilliance to the weed. But that was not what I heard! I heard a lot of singing off-pitch and out of rhythm and a lot of arrhythmic, fumble-fingered guitar playing. Many well-known musicians claim that pot and other drugs enhance their performing and creativity, but not according to what I've seen and heard with my own two eyes and ears.

Should anyone say that I didn't get "The Good Stuff," how do you explain that the joints were circling the room and we were all suckin' up the same stuff? Those who were the most enthusiastic pot-heads were the ones orbiting the chandelier while the rest of us were not. I have two possible explanations: 1) different brain chemistry; or 2) placebo effect.

I don't see that marijuana should be any more illegal than a lot of other things like booze and tobacco—and the so-called "War on Drugs" is an idiotic joke. As for myself, though, I chose to abstain. I like to keep my head on straight

Don ("Hey, man . . . what time is it?") Firth

P.S.: Of course, there are those who claim that if you can remember the Sixties, you weren't really there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 May 02 - 02:29 PM

Your taste buds probably tell you sugar is good for you...And I'd bet you didn't like your first taste of coffee either.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 May 02 - 02:56 PM

Dead right, McGrath...coffee tastes AWWWWFULLLLL!!!! But it smells good. I think the smell is partly what attracts people. I was addicted to it for many years, but the main reason was: I filled it full of sugar, and I was addicted to the sugar too! Without the sugar, I would never have drunk the coffee.

Sugar is one thing which clearly fools the taste buds and the body. It fools ants too. You can kill off a colony of them by providing them with an unlimited supply of refined sugar! It takes awhile, but they will abandon their normal diet, consume the sugar, and eventually sicken and die.

I think the answer to that is: you can't find refined sugar in nature. It's a very unnatural substance, and the body cannot cope with it well at all. The sugars in nature are of a more complex structure, and don't enter the blood stream nearly as fast. They are also harder to find, and much less concentrated.

People are forever taking good natural foods and ruining them, as when they polish rice, for example, to make white rice.

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: GUEST
Date: 17 May 02 - 02:24 AM

Humming birds like refined sugar and water


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: fat B****rd
Date: 17 May 02 - 03:17 AM

Amazing !! I just read the first and last posts to this thread. The Mudcat, boring ? never. Diverse ? Yes yes yes.So what about Dionne Warwick being arrested then ??.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: alanabit
Date: 17 May 02 - 05:22 AM

This is good news. Why, there is is so little violence, theft, deceit and street crime in Miami these days, that the cops have nothing better to do than to bust a granny for dope. Miami must be a wonderful, safe place to walk around...


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 May 02 - 11:24 AM

LOL! Yeah, it's great! You are 25 times more likely to die by violent crime in Miami than in Cuba. Or is it 50 times? Thank God, though, that the police are protecting us all from the deadly hazards of reefer madness!!!

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: GUEST
Date: 17 May 02 - 12:33 PM

....all the pot-smoking spider proved is that the spider shouldn't try to spin a web while stoned. Who wasted research money on something that everyone already knew? I don't try to do my taxes with a buzz on either.... Just common sense.

Perhaps the researchers should've gotten the spider stoned and then introduced it to another stoned spider of the opposite sex. Wonder what conclusions they would've drawn then, hmmm?


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: GUEST
Date: 17 May 02 - 02:26 PM

You know, it took me a while to appreciate the effects. But now it is actually useful to "center" me and calm me down, see what's working for me, etc.

Trying to go beyond or maximize this backfires for me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: gnu
Date: 17 May 02 - 05:16 PM

THC is a mind altering drug which does not cause collateral damage unless smoked, which obviously causes lung damage. Alcohol is not a mind altering drug. Alcohol is a mind destroying drug which is akin to holding your breath until brain cells are deprived of oxygen to the point where your mind is "altered". As well, alcohol alters matbolism, degenerates the ability of the liver to filter, incites diabetes, etc, etc, etc. Not to mention the fact that booze can literally make you crazy in relatively small amounts. THC will not make you "crazy" to the point of out of mind and body experiences.

These are just facts. I do not advocate the use of any substances for altering the mind or body. Especially those with the ability to do permanent damage, such as alcohol or magic mushrooms. Shrooms... now there's a throw of the dice. I saw many shroomers when I was at university twenty-some years ago. A lot of them had a great time. And some of them had to look at their student ID to try to figure out who they were. I wonder if some still have to ?

I don't have any answers but, neither do the legislators who jailed Ms. Warwick. I just think it's sad that she was jailed for doing the right drug. The state should either ban ALL drugs or not ban any. The state's function should be education and striving for a standard of living which would preclude the use of drugs as an escape from poverty. I'll stop here and let someone else point out the fact that Ms. Dionne probably doesn't have a poverty issue... I need another Bud.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: DD
Date: 18 May 02 - 02:40 PM

Ok..........The REAL questions is..........WHERE were Dionne's PSYCHIC FRIENDS.....and WHY didnt they warn her so she could hide her stash???????????????


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: leprechaun
Date: 19 May 02 - 01:49 PM

Jailed? How much time did she spend in jail?

More questions - Have any of you regular pot smokers smoked any pot in the last fifteen years that didn't get you bombed on one hit? At $200 to $400 an ounce, would you even consider smoking pot that didn't get you bombed on one hit? Can you get that bombed on one beer, one glass of wine, or one shot of whiskey? Think you're safe to drive?


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 May 02 - 02:08 PM

Who drinks to get drunk? Well I suppose there are some, but you don't want much to do with them. Drunk is what happens when you miscalculate, and get past the bit that's pleasant. Same goes for other drugs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: GUEST
Date: 21 May 02 - 09:46 AM

There are different types of grass and different types of Buzz

Your friends comment about - "This is Good shit" could be likened to the wine affectionado who sips a Syrah from Australia, another from California and a third from Brazil. He CAN detect differences. His acclaim is not about how drunk each one makes him but about its tone, pallet feel, aroma and spiceyness. Grass can be skunky, or harsh, or well aged or moldy or green or haven an "expansion" which won't permit it to be held in. In addition to smoke, it can also be eaten or used in an ennema. A friend in a National Guard Band was terrified of flying and carried pot brownies on all of his road trips.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Willie-O
Date: 21 May 02 - 10:05 AM

Why would anyone pay 200-400 an ounce if they had a closet and a fluorescent lamp, and or a bit of tangled brush out back?

I used to be a big old pothead, for years and years, but somewheres in my late thirties I just lost my taste for being fucked up and stupid all the time.

In fact, it wasn't just a dream, Gnu. There's a Canadian Senate Committee which is coming up with downright sensible recommendations about decriminalizing pot, yet again. I don't think they'll actually do it, but it's useful counterweight against the current fed attempts to cosy up to the Shrub admin, which wants us to join in their stupid drug war instead of reaping the economic benefits of being the major supplier of North American pot (especially the $6 billion crop of BC Bud) to the American market.

As if...

Willie "don't do airports"-O


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: GUEST,Man with long hair smoking funny tobacco
Date: 21 May 02 - 10:12 AM

Wow! Did he stick them up his ass??


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: leprechaun
Date: 21 May 02 - 10:14 AM

So what is it? A powerful medicine, which for the sake of compassion should be made available to those critically ill individuals suffering from terminal cancer or glaucoma or uh...pain, yeah, don't forget pain. Or is it an armless erb, I mean harmless herb, which we should encourage twelve year olds to use as a mind-expanding rite of passage?

I guess it depends on where you are in the process of scamming the electorate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Peg
Date: 21 May 02 - 11:25 AM

well, there are plenty of drugs which have legitimate medical uses which are nevertheless abused by users (who can become horribly addicted, which does not really happen with marijuana). Oxycontin is addictive as hell, no better than other painkillers on the market, and is now the source of a great deal of street crime. Demerol is also horribly addictive, as is morphine---both are used legally and medicinally but the potential for theft and abuse are high because they are so addictive. The way we define "drugs" is totally arbitrary and ridiculous. I'd love to see what would hapen if cigarettes were made illegal (or coffee, or alcohol).


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: gnu
Date: 21 May 02 - 04:21 PM

12 year olds ?? That's sick !

So, I didn't dream up the public hearings on pot in Canada. That's a good thing because I was starting to think that all that dope I smoked back in the seventies was "flashing back". (Back when there was good dope.... you know, that stuff that's tied to a stick, man.)

I DID have a flashback today ! I did a building inspection in a small "university" town nearby. There are four apartments on the upper floor. EVERY occupant was still asleep at mid-morning. All in their early twenties. The walls were full of posters, artwork, poetry, etc. Most were sleeping on the floor and the air was "thick" in each apartment. One lad, in a dark room, upon being visited by a vision in the doorway of a 265 pound, 45 year old, short haired, moustached, ball cap wearing gentleman, looked at his massive water pipe with rather furtive and feverish glances before I assured him I was just there to inspect the structure.

The prospective buyer, a tenant of the main floor was assailed with questions, including, "Are we going to get busted ? Thrown out ? etc."

I just wish I had had the time to copy down some of the poetry on the walls, done in everthing from charcoal to lipstick. Some of it was exceptional... especially one entitled, "Am I a Poet ?", which had a lot to do with bananas. And the art work was amazing.... better than the artwork in the ART GALLERY on the main floor !!! But, perhaps, a little risque.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: leprechaun
Date: 21 May 02 - 10:59 PM

I notice the previous post by Gnu was one minute late.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: gnu
Date: 22 May 02 - 07:00 AM

Was that the one previous to the last one or the one previous to the previous one or the other one ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 May 02 - 10:45 AM

It was the one that was one minute late.

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 May 02 - 01:18 PM

$200 to $400 for something that grows as a prolific weed. You've got an amazing system there.

I wonder why it is there's never been a real drive to ban tea and coffee. I know Mormons aren't supposed to use it, being about the only people anywhere who are consistent in their opposition to social drugs. But apart from that it seems pretty generally ignored by the prohibitionists. But it could well be the hardest habit to beat of all. I wouldn't care to try. And yet it'd be a lot easier to kill yourself with a really massive overdose of coffee than with pot.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 May 02 - 01:53 PM

As I mentioned above, I don't indulge. But—

There are those people in this world who are cold-eyed, firm-jawed, and tight-lipped who stay away nights and pace back and forth pounding a fist into an open palm and agonize over the possibility that somewhere out there, somewhere in the world, someone might be having fun!!!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 May 02 - 02:07 PM

Yes!!! And those clench-jawed types mostly spring directly from the Judeo-Christian-Islamic heritage too. They are similarly eager to proscribe virtually all forms of sexual activity, short of that bare minimum of sex within marriage required to bring forth yet another generation of believers...

It is that, and the desire for M-O-N-E-Y (lots of it) that produces our absurd society and its so-called "war on drugs", which is a laugh and a half! They sell hazardous drugs legally to absolutely everyone as a matter of course. In fact, the economy would probably collapse if it was all suddenly brought to a halt.

On the other hand, think of what a boost it would give organized crime if we outlawed coffee! The glorious days of Dillinger and Capone would pale in comparison. Beats me why the government hasn't thought of this (?) The big boys at the top, like the Bush family, could secretly buy up all the coffee-producing properties in the world FIRST...then outlaw it in the USA...then run the most profitable illegal drug trade of all time. They could also conveniently stigmatize and imprison anyone they wanted to who got caught imbibing the "demon quaff". Somebody alert Dubya!!!

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 May 02 - 03:23 PM

Actually, banning coffee has been tried a few times already. For the book on the Pacific Northwest folk scene that I'm writing, a couple of years ago I did a bit of research, then wrote this little tidbit by way of introducing a chapter on the proliferation of coffeehouses in the Fifties and Sixties—venues where many an aspiring folk performer honed his or her skills. I'll post it for your amusement.

* * *

        As early as Homer, there were stories of a black and bitter brew that had the power to endow increased alertness on those who drank it, but it was not until much later that the details of the discovery of coffee, comes into sharper focus.
        One of the many legends that surround the discovery of this universal solvent of intellectuality and sociability, holds that sometime in the 9th century, in the part of north Africa now called Ethiopia, a young goat-herd named Kaldi noticed that his goats became particularly alert, frisky, and playful after eating the red berries that grew on certain leafy bushes. Kaldi tried a handful of the berries, and soon found himself experiencing a refreshing lift of spirits and a pleasant sense of heightened awareness. He eagerly recommended the berries to his fellow tribesmen, who subsequently agreed that Kaldi's discovery had indeed been a worthy one.
        News of these wonderful berries spread quickly. Local monks heard of them, tried them, and noticed that the berries had the salutary effect of producing more alertness and less dozing off during prayer. They dried the berries so they could be transported to other monasteries. There, the berries were reconstituted in water. The monks ate the berries and then drank the liquid.
        Coffee berries soon made their way from Ethiopia to the Arabian peninsula where they were first cultivated in what today is the country of Yemen. Coffee then traveled north to Turkey. The Turks were the first to roast the beans. Then they crushed them and boiled them in water. The result was pretty stout stuff, hardly what we today would call gourmet coffee, but it was well on its way. They sometimes added spices to the brew, such as anise, cloves, cinnamon, and cardamom.
        Venetian traders carried coffee to the European continent sometime in the 16th century. Once in Europe, enthusiastic imbibers regarded this new beverage as the Elixir of Life and the Invigorator of Thought.
        But, as frequently happens when humankind discovers something pleasurable, there emerged those people whose lips are stiff and whose faces are grim. These unhappy souls declared coffee to be "the beverage of infidels" and "the Drink of the Devil." Some members of the Catholic Church called for Pope Clement VIII to ban it. Consider their dismay when instead, the Pontiff, wide awake and alert because he'd already had his morning coffee, blessed it and declared it a truly Christian beverage.
        The first coffeehouse in Britain, called "The Angel," opened in 1652, not in London, but in Oxford. This is, perhaps, not surprising. After all, Oxford had been a college town since the 12th century. Soon thereafter, coffeehouses began flourishing in London. They swiftly became gathering spots for artists, poets, and philosophers, along with their disciples and groupies. Since coffee at these establishments cost a penny a cup, coffeehouses became known as "penny universities." James Boswell and Samuel Johnson were two well-known coffeehouse habitués.
        King Charles II considered coffeehouses to be hotbeds of discontent and a breeding ground for revolt, so in 1700 he banned them. This act nearly caused a revolt. The turmoil was so great that eleven days later he rescinded the ban.
        In 1732, Johann Sebastian Bach composed his "Coffee Cantata." The work is an ode to coffee. At the same time, it takes a poke at a movement extant in Germany at the time that sought to forbid women to drink coffee because some people thought it made women sterile.
        In the late sixteen-hundreds coffeehouses made their way to the New World: to Boston, New York, and Philadelphia, where they prospered just as they had in England. They were also patronized by musicians, artists, poets and other suspicious and undesirable characters. Such as Tom Paine and Ben Franklin. In fact, when the United States were still "The Colonies," the Continental Congress, in protest against the excessive tax the British levied on tea, declared coffee to be the national drink.

* * *

Then I go on to describe the resurgence of coffeehouses in Fifties and how they related to the folk revival. Gotta go now. I hear the percolator gurgling.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: gnu
Date: 22 May 02 - 04:44 PM

One minute late ? One minute late. One minute late. Oh yeah, I see it too.

Minds me of the time that the Premier of the province of New Brunswick, Canada, was caught at the airport with an ounce of smoke. Normally, back then, your bag wouldn't be searched to the extent that it would be found. Even if it was, it would probably be ignored. However, everything on this flight was being searched rather thoroughly and was being searched by the RCMP and the SAS (THE SAS !!!) because it was the Queen's aircraft !! What a dumb f*** !!! After that, it was a free for all in the press with him - young boys, wild parties, etc, ad infinitum, and he died of Aids. The sad part is that he was a Premier who did a lot of ground breaking work for Canadian unity, women's rights, the poor, etc, ad infinitum. All to be tarnished because of an ounce of weed... and his own stupidity - I mean, c'mon, taking weed onto the Queen's plane ? What the f*** was he smoking ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 May 02 - 04:54 PM

Must've been "good stuff"! LOL!!! I suspect Trudeau toked up on a few occasions too. Joe Clark? Certainly NOT!

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: gnu
Date: 22 May 02 - 05:08 PM

I understand that Pierre was not a keener and was quite upset with Maggie's "use".

You never heard/read of our Ricky's (Richard Hatfield) troubles ? He got off Scot Free because they couln't prove absolute quarantine of his carry-on from deposit to search. A laywer he was.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dionne Warwick arrested for marijuana
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 May 02 - 08:34 PM

Well, when the Beatles went to Buckingham Palace to meet the Queen and pick up their MBEs, they toked up in a side room. Probably weren't the first by a long way. I think you can probably assume that most members of the present Royal Family will have indulged on occasion.

Oh yes, the other drug that might cause serious problems, if they tried to ban it, would be chocolate. Theobromine is the active ingredient, and it's quite powerful. Slipping a Mars bar to a racehorse is a notorious, and very much outlawed, way of doping them to win races. And there's a movie Chocolat which is largely about Chocolate in its capacity as a highly potent (and beneficial so) drug, shaking up a community that badly needs shaking up.

I believe Mormons are consistent on that too aren't they, outlawing chocolate? I wonder how long it will be before the ban on cannabis seems as bizarre to most people?


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