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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: GUEST,Just Amy Date: 23 May 02 - 04:46 PM Sorry to be so late checking back - I don't know why they expect me to work here! I am female and American, my mother is a Brit, my sister lives in France and the middle east. We all get on the internet and post. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: Mr Red Date: 23 May 02 - 02:56 PM Matt Ravenscroft FWIW I am usually conscious of names I can't place on the gender divide, it does inhibit my answers in some ways. But then we know not what sensitive pedal digits we are applying pressure on in any direction. Oh terribly sorry love - was that your toe? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: Steve in Idaho Date: 23 May 02 - 02:38 PM Hmmmmmmmm Guests as male or female? That is a good one! I'd always assumed they were male and never got laid. That gave them the time to be here and cranky while at it. He said this running for cover -
Steve *GWTM* |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: Crane Driver Date: 23 May 02 - 01:37 PM Six all. This could get quite tedious after a few days. How about ideas for a tie-breaker, gang? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: Ebbie Date: 23 May 02 - 01:15 PM Six female, five male. :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 23 May 02 - 01:09 PM Sarcasm? As I understand it (and dictionaries seem to be with me on that sarcasm has to have an intention of inflicting some kind of damage. The damage might be very mild, playful even, but it has to be there.
Irony as such doesn't carry that implication.When it does it becomes sarcasm. I only think it's got anything to do with being more subtle than sarcasm.
Are the obsessively unnamed GUESTs male? I tend to assume that they are too, but maybe that's just thinking in stereotypes. Who knows what makes them tick? Who cares?
As for the balance - on this thread, of the last ten people posting I make it five male, five female. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: Peg Date: 23 May 02 - 01:02 PM now there's an interesting question: how many of the trolling GUESTs are male vs. female? I have a feeling most of them are male just because the majority of obnoxious or predatory behavior on the internet seems to come from males...not a big majority, but a majority nevertheless... But since they are anonymous I have no way of confirming this.
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: Amos Date: 23 May 02 - 11:34 AM Take two double entendres and call me in the morning if you're up to it, big boy!! Or, one double entendre with an oughter chaser? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: Deda Date: 23 May 02 - 11:02 AM I'm female. And at our house I used to forbid all irony -- but then I got an irony board, which meant I had to irony some shirts once in a while, which reminded me of my dear late Mamma. Now I permit occasional irony -- but with strong preference for permanent press. Sarcasm allowed in small doses, no more than once or twice a day. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: Ebbie Date: 23 May 02 - 10:40 AM Woman, here. It hadn't occurred to me to wonder about the gender breakdown on the 'Cat. Does anyone have a take on the division on computers of any kind? I would guess that there are more men online, but I don't even know that. I imagine more women than men type, but it's perfectly possible to communicate at slower speed. Back "in the old days", it seemed like far more girls than boys liked to dance, and more girls than boys sang. (Frankly, I still get a bigger thrill from hearing men sing- I think I have always assumed that singing (and talking) comes more easily to the female sex. But oh, is that a stereotype...) As to the 'Cat, are we talking just about members? We have no way of knowing how many people dip into the pool briefly for whatever reason. Incidentally, I have almost always assumed that GUEST in its various incarnations is almost always male, that females are less likely to be anonymous. But I don't know that either. Oh, how much I don't know! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: GUEST,Firecat at college Date: 23 May 02 - 10:28 AM I'm a girl! Well, you don't really get boys called Kat, do you?! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: Peg Date: 23 May 02 - 10:22 AM I Enjoy Being a Girl There is Nothin' Like a Dame I Feel Pretty I'm Gonna Wash that Man Right Outta My Hair hmm, for some reason I can only think of show tunes... Peg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: Hollowfox Date: 23 May 02 - 09:51 AM I don't know, McGrath, my telephone bill went down quite a bit after my husband left me. 'course, it was hard to get him to shut up off the 'phone as well. I'm with you, Bobert. Ain't nobody splittin my genders, it hurts some'pin awful. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: GUEST Date: 23 May 02 - 09:29 AM It does rather seem that people here would like to talk about anything BUT the gender issues here, eh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: GUEST Date: 23 May 02 - 09:27 AM Righ you are PP, and the Simpsons is much closer to the sense of humor many Euro-Ams share than what you see in this forum. Or the great internet humor sites like SatireWire and Ironic Times. The lack of irony so often attributed to Americans by Brits seems to be wishful thinking, IMO. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: Pied Piper Date: 23 May 02 - 09:21 AM Hi Greg. I'm English (and a northerner) but I think sarcasm is nearer the mark, irony is a bit subtle for sociologists. As regards Americans I don't know many personally but I think the Simpson's packs a pretty ironic punch (along with some nicely toothsome sarcasm). All the best PP. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: Mooh Date: 23 May 02 - 09:01 AM The pronunciation of Mooh is "Mike". Male. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: GUEST Date: 23 May 02 - 08:50 AM Greg, are you as obsessed with nationality in 3D life as you seem to be in this forum? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: greg stephens Date: 23 May 02 - 08:42 AM Never mind what sex people are. The fact that Pied Piper used irony, quite definitely, might settle whether irony is unknown in the USA. PiedPiper, are you American, British or Other? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: Bobert Date: 23 May 02 - 07:52 AM Well, ol' bobert don't care what floats you alls boats but Iz figured that I'd just go on record here of sayin' that Iz ain't into no gender splittin'. It ain't that I don't like women's clothes, it's just I like 'em on the womens... or off. Whatever. But, hey, like I said: knock your socks off. Just don't post no pictures without a warnin' statement, or somethin... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 23 May 02 - 07:22 AM Yeah, there's a book about that isn't there? - "Why Men don't Iron" I think it's called... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: DMcG Date: 23 May 02 - 07:18 AM I'm pretty sure that there are social studies of household chores that show that women are mainly left to do the irony. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 23 May 02 - 07:18 AM Nor is it in any way obvious that there won't be gender differences in how people communicate in different media.
I've always found that men talk a great deal more in certain types of meetings, for example and women in other settings. Typically, in an office meeting, the men do more of the talking, afterwards it'll be the women; and on the telephone I think it is fairly generally agreed that women tend to talk at much greater length. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 23 May 02 - 07:10 AM Sarcasm is supposed to be particularly male? I have some serious doubts as to whether that is true.
Though I wouldn't class what Pied Piper said there as demonstrating sarcasm, as opposed to irony. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: DMcG Date: 23 May 02 - 07:05 AM Computer networks do not guarantee gender-free, equal-opportunity interaction Hands up anyone who thought it would guarantee anything of the sort? BTW, 'Guarantee' is one of those words I love to hate. When a salesman says he'll guarantee something is delivered by Friday I occasionally ask how much he is prepared to pay if it isn't and whether he will put it in writing ... I don't get many takers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: Pied Piper Date: 23 May 02 - 06:53 AM So women and men communicate on the web in the same way they communicate in the "real world", well who'd have guest it. The achievements of sociology and other pseudo-sciences never fail to amaze me. May be a similar study could be commissioned into gender based telephone use. I'll look forward to the earth shattering results. If you spotted any sarcasm, it because ; yes you guest it, I'm male. PP |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: Wolfgang Date: 23 May 02 - 05:25 AM once more: click here |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: Wolfgang Date: 23 May 02 - 05:24 AM There is a response in an old thread and even with a summary statistic including age distribution. So if you want to know what the reponse in Jan 99 was Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: greg stephens Date: 23 May 02 - 04:41 AM Greg is generally reckoned to be a man's name I would say, though by no means exclusively so. So it would be reasonable to guess that I am at least pretending to be a man. You can't really assume any more than that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: Nigel Parsons Date: 23 May 02 - 04:29 AM Hollowfox says "Good luck to you Mr Ravenscroft". even if the name is accurate (Matt R) can we assume the guest's gender ? Could be a shortened form of a misspelled Mattilda ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: allie kiwi Date: 23 May 02 - 04:04 AM I just saw on the thread about member photos - wow I had no idea that concept existed. Wonderful to see the faces behind some of the quirky comments. Allie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: Sandy Paton Date: 23 May 02 - 02:34 AM Male; Sandy being a Scottish diminutive of Alexander. But I do get a lot of unsolicited mail addressed to Ms. Sandy Paton. Sandy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: Hollowfox Date: 22 May 02 - 09:24 PM Good luck with your paper, Mr Ravenscroft. This is one of three forums (fora?) that I frequent. One is a medieval re-creation group, occasionally specializing in the Mongols; it's about 60% male by my guess. The other is folk who are librarians in the real world; 90-95% female. My perception of the 'Cat is about 50-50. (I'm female) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: Amergin Date: 22 May 02 - 08:48 PM well you know....I am from North Idaho.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: Amos Date: 22 May 02 - 08:42 PM "And I saved the unburnt parts -- a shamne to waste good wood -- and made this lovely little hand-carved image of the baby girl Jesus in my spare time using just a Dremnel and some Scarlet Pimpernel nail polish!!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: JenEllen Date: 22 May 02 - 08:36 PM Can you wear flowered sheets to a cross burning? I supposed it had to happen eventually...that Martha Stewart is everywhere these days.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: Amos Date: 22 May 02 - 08:32 PM Scarier and scarier, Spaw!! Hildabub rides again!! ROTFLMA!! Jen, if he asks you for spare sheets, tell him NO!! LOL!! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: catspaw49 Date: 22 May 02 - 08:24 PM Geez Amos, I just read your post and now I'm wondering about Nathan being HildeBub. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: catspaw49 Date: 22 May 02 - 08:20 PM I dunno' how to count them here, especially the guy that used to post as "HildaBub." As I recall he was a closet gay, transvestite, Ku Klux Klan member who opted for the straight and narrow life after having a brief and yet torrid affair with Oprah Winfrey. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: Amos Date: 22 May 02 - 08:15 PM Hey guys, lay off of Nathan!! His proudest moment was coming out as a lesbian! Surely you've seen the "Crying Game" -- think it couldn't happen to you?? Nathan, check them meds, lass!! LOL! Ask me about Big Alice Bornstein, the Gender Outlaw, when you get to the PNWG!! LOL!
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 22 May 02 - 08:09 PM (Best ignore the troll. Remember ,a response is what they want, any kind of response.)
Even after a few years visiting there are still things about the Mudcat I'm only just finding out, tricks you can make it to. The Mudcat FAQ is well worth delving into.
I suspect that the proportion of women to men is probably more even than you get on the internet in general. For example as a mini-straw poll, out of ten contributors to this thread (ignoring the troll), six are male and four female.
I suppose it'd be possible to check that kind of thing by doing that with a number of old threads, noting the balance of posters and the proportion of posts as well, and seeing if there's a different pattern of use which is gender related. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: SINSULL Date: 22 May 02 - 08:07 PM Nathan, what are you up to? Coming out of the closet? Or just trying to break a few female Mudcat hearts? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: wysiwyg Date: 22 May 02 - 08:04 PM Amergin, you lie like a rug! *G* And your pants are on fire too! ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: artbrooks Date: 22 May 02 - 07:54 PM Its been my impression that, if anything, there may be slightly more females than males here...or perhaps that's because the "Men of Mudcat" are generally kind and compassionate individuals. Amy, I generally flash on by the drivel that ANON.GUEST posts. He/she/it does have a positive talent for finding and copying the most irrelevant and boring crap on the internet, however. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: GUEST Date: 22 May 02 - 07:41 PM Do you suppose that is as true of women in communities and countries different from your own Just Amy? BTW, I'm sorry to hear you are a slow reader. Do you have attention span problems too? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: GUEST,Just Amy Date: 22 May 02 - 07:40 PM PS Thanks to McGrath of Harlow for the link to the pics. I didn't even know that stuff was available. You are a cutie pie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: GUEST,Just Amy Date: 22 May 02 - 07:37 PM Although I agree that this is not a 50/50 split and is more heavily male, I cannot help but be amused by the long winded posting of Guest. Do you really thing we have time to read all the way through that piece of drivel? Please. Women have just as much opportunity to use the internet as men. My 78 year old mother is on everyday. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 22 May 02 - 07:34 PM Ah that's one of the problems with using a name as a GUEST, it might be someone else's name. (And naughty GUESTs have sometimes done that intentionally.)
When you register, you'll be asked to pick a name to appear on your posts, and it might be any name you like, except that if it's someone else's already. And Matt R is one such. (And if you click on this you'll see he's been a pretty busy poster in his time. If you do click there, and it takes a long time, which it will, just click on "Stop" and it'll give you the more recent posts.)
Anyway if it's not welcome back, it's welcome anyway. This is a good place to visit, and you can find just about anything here. Almost as quick as a search engine, and lots more interesting.
I suspect this thread will soon stretch out. Aside from numbers there's the question how far gender affects the way we use the site - and in the case of the Mudcat it's overlaid very much by differences that are maybe more related to nationality. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: Amergin Date: 22 May 02 - 07:29 PM yeah i thought it was meebs, too... I am a female....and have been going online for a couple of years or so.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gender Split at Mudcat From: Amos Date: 22 May 02 - 07:27 PM MattR: Sorry for the confusion. There was a Matt R who frequented these threads for several years, always had something good to add and was fondly regarded by all; he was a college student at the time. He posted under the name "Mbo", earlier on, and thenhe changed it to Matt, so I guess everyone thought you were he! He knew an awful lot of songs; so consider it a positive comparison, anyway! Regards, A |