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Lyr Add: Hob y Deri Dando (yr Cyrnric and Saxon

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Gareth 01 Jun 02 - 06:33 PM
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Subject: Hob y Deri Dando (yr Cyrnric and Saxon
From: Gareth
Date: 01 Jun 02 - 06:33 PM

There seems to be a requirement for the Lyrics

Herewith text in the true toungue and in English

Hob y Deri Dando

1. Ni bu ferch erioed cyn laned
Hob y deri dando,
Ni bu ferch erioed cyn wyned
Dyna ganu eto;
Ni bu neb o ferched dynion
Siân fwyn Siân
Nes na hon i dori 'nghalon

Cytgan:
Siân fwyn tyrd i'r llwyn,
Seiniwn glod i Siani fach fwyn:
Sian fwyn tyrd i'r llwyn,
Seiniwn glod i Siani fach fwyn

2. Gwyn eu byd yr adar gwylltion
Hob y deri dando;
Hwy gânt fynd i'r fynnon
Dyna ganu eto;
Weithiau i'r môr a weithiau i'r mynydd,
Siân fwyn Siân,
A dod adref yn ddigerydd

Cytgan:

3. Tros y môr y mae fy nghalon
Hob y deri dando;
Tros y môr y mae fochneidion,
Dyna ganu eto:
Dros y môr y mae fanwylyd
Siân fwyn Siân
Sy'n fy meddwl i bob munud

-or-
.
1. Wyt ti'n hoffi dyri, Derwydd?
Hob y deri dando,
Unwaith oerais i o'th herwydd,
Dyna ganu eto;
Ym mhob ardal y mae brydôn,
Canig hen y co',
Pwy na allant ddweud penillion hen gân co',
Canig hen y co'
Hob y deri dan y to.

2. Buom unwaith yn gariadon,
Hob y deri dando,
Ti a geisiasist dorri 'nghalon,
Dyna ganu eto;
Am funudyn pwy fu'n
Hidio druan am dy dro?
Deri dando, wyt ti'n gwrando hen gân co'?
Canig hen y co',
Hob y deri dan y to.

Translated ( but not by me )

1. Never was there maiden sweeter,
Hob y deri dano
More alluring, livelier, neater
Hob y deri dando
Nor one to my fancy nearer
Jane, sweet Jane
There is no one I love dearer

Chorus:

Jane, run down the lane,
There in the grove we'll kiss again
Jane, run down the lane,
There in the grove we'll kiss again

2. Blessed are the wild birds flying
Hob y deri dano;
They're full free, there's no denying,
Hob y deri dano;
Free to linger or to hasten,
Jane, sweet Jane;
And come home with none to chasten;

Chorus:

3. Now, o'er seas, my heart is crying,
Hob y deri dando;
O'er the seas, O hear me sighing,
Hob y deri dando;
O'er the seas my soul comes winging,
Jane, sweet Jane;
Where your golden voice is ringing,

Chorus:

Jane, sing in the the lane,
There in the grove we'll kiss again
Jane, sing in the lane,
There in the grove we'll kiss again

-or-

1. Low ye hills in ocean lie
Hob y derri dando
Hide not Meirion from my eye
Hob y derri dando
Still one view oh let me take
Down derri down
Ere my longing heart doth break
Chorus:

Down down hie derri down
My darling Mary do not frown
Down down hie derri down
My darling Mary do not frown.

2. O'er the seas hath flown my heart
Hob y derri dando
O'er the seas my sighs depart
Hob y derri dando
And o'er the seas must she be sought
Down derri down
Who lives yet always in my thought

Chorus:

3. 'Neath the seas shall I reside
Hob y derri dando
'Neath the water and the tide
Hob y derri dando
For my longing heart did break
Down derri down
When she another love did take

Chorus

Gareth

Also see: Hob-i-derry Dando


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Hob y Deri Dando (yr Cyrnric and Saxon
From: Gareth
Date: 01 Jun 02 - 06:53 PM

Arrrgh ! Line brake problem - Serve me right for posting after 6 pints of Bass.

Hob y Deri Dando

1. Ni bu ferch erioed cyn laned
Hob y deri dando,
Ni bu ferch erioed cyn wyned
Dyna ganu eto;
Ni bu neb o ferched dynion
Siân fwyn Siân
Nes na hon i dori 'nghalon

Cytgan:

Siân fwyn tyrd i'r llwyn,
Seiniwn glod i Siani fach fwyn:
Sian fwyn tyrd i'r llwyn,
Seiniwn glod i Siani fach fwyn

2. Gwyn eu byd yr adar gwylltion
Hob y deri dando;
Hwy gânt fynd i'r fynnon
Dyna ganu eto;
Weithiau i'r môr a weithiau i'r mynydd,
Siân fwyn Siân,
A dod adref yn ddigerydd

Cytgan:

3. Tros y môr y mae fy nghalon
Hob y deri dando;
Tros y môr y mae fochneidion,
Dyna ganu eto:
Dros y môr y mae fanwylyd
Siân fwyn Siân
Sy'n fy meddwl i bob munud

-or- . 1. Wyt ti'n hoffi dyri, Derwydd?
Hob y deri dando,
Unwaith oerais i o'th herwydd,
Dyna ganu eto;
Ym mhob ardal y mae brydôn,
Canig hen y co',
Pwy na allant ddweud penillion hen gân co',
Canig hen y co'
Hob y deri dan y to.

2. Buom unwaith yn gariadon
, Hob y deri dando,
Ti a geisiasist dorri 'nghalon,
Dyna ganu eto;
Am funudyn pwy fu'n
Hidio druan am dy dro?
Deri dando, wyt ti'n gwrando hen gân co'?
Canig hen y co',
Hob y deri dan y to.

Translated ( but not by me )

1. Never was there maiden sweeter,
Hob y deri dano
More alluring, livelier, neater
Hob y deri dando
Nor one to my fancy nearer
Jane, sweet Jane
There is no one I love dearer

Chorus:

Jane, run down the lane,
There in the grove we'll kiss again
Jane, run down the lane,
There in the grove we'll kiss again

2. Blessed are the wild birds flying
Hob y deri dano; They're full free, there's no denying, Hob y deri dano;
Free to linger or to hasten
, Jane, sweet Jane;
And come home with none to chasten;

Chorus:

3. Now, o'er seas, my heart is crying,
Hob y deri dando;
O'er the seas, O hear me sighing,
Hob y deri dando;
O'er the seas my soul comes winging,
Jane, sweet Jane;
Where your golden voice is ringing,

Chorus:

Jane, sing in the the lane,
There in the grove we'll kiss again
Jane, sing in the lane,
There in the grove we'll kiss again

-or-

1. Low ye hills in ocean lie
Hob y derri dando
Hide not Meirion from my eye
Hob y derri dando
Still one view oh let me take
Down derri down
Ere my longing heart doth break
Chorus:

Down down hie derri down
My darling Mary do not frown
Down down hie derri down
My darling Mary do not frown.

2. O'er the seas hath flown my heart
Hob y derri dando
O'er the seas my sighs depart
Hob y derri dando
And o'er the seas must she be sought
Down derri down
Who lives yet always in my thought

Chorus:

3. 'Neath the seas shall I reside
Hob y derri dando
'Neath the water and the tide
Hob y derri dando
For my longing heart did break
Down derri down
When she another love did take

Chorus

BTW version 2 seems to indicate that 'Johnny Todd' was not the only victim of infedility.

"So marry her before you sail"

Gareth


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Hob y Deri Dando (yr Cyrnric and Saxon
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 01 Jun 02 - 07:03 PM

I'm wondering about the connection between English chorus "Derry Down.." and WElsh "...Deri Dando..."?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Hob y Deri Dando (yr Cyrnric and Saxon
From: Abby Sale
Date: 01 Jun 02 - 11:53 PM

No connection. Seems to be based sort of on "here we go again." That is, on to the next verse. Interesting how the song diverges & recombines & expands from a Welsh love song (or two) to a chantey, a political song, a satirical song (Cosher Bailey), to a bawdy rugby song. A lot of work to get out of one song.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Hob y Deri Dando (yr Cyrnric and Saxon
From: sian, west wales
Date: 02 Jun 02 - 12:33 PM

Abby, seems to me that we put together a REAL long chain of info about this way back - three years or more? You don't have any of it archived, do you? It'd save a lot of time ...

sian


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Hob y Deri Dando (yr Cyrnric and Saxon
From: Snuffy
Date: 02 Jun 02 - 06:27 PM

Sian, the link at the end of Gareth's initial post takes you to the old thread where you and Abby dug out all the versions last August. Brilliant work!

WassaiL! V


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Hob y Deri Dando (yr Cyrnric and Saxon
From: Gareth
Date: 02 Jun 02 - 06:34 PM

I must confess, not having noted the previous thread - I am impressed by the effort and research - Just one note of caution "Cosher Bailey" is a living song, and new topical verses are being added, many spontanouusly in sing arounds.

Gareth


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Hob y Deri Dando (yr Cyrnric and Saxon
From: Joe_F
Date: 02 Jun 02 - 11:08 PM

It seems, however, that we *still* do not know what or where Barford Hatches is.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Hob y Deri Dando (yr Cyrnric and Saxon
From: sian, west wales
Date: 03 Jun 02 - 03:15 PM

Snuffy, should have checked that first. Mea culpa. That other thread should be retitled as one of these DTStudy thingies ...

sian


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Hob y Deri Dando (yr Cyrnric and Saxon
From: Abby Sale
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 09:11 AM

Hi, all.

I'd forgotten the usenet notes were reposted here.

The timing is good...I first heard that song my first visit to Mystic (Connecticut) Sea Song Fest and was just knocked out by it. As I was by everything else there. I just had to dig into this song & was lucky that the people at r.m.f and especially Sian, good knowledge. The difficult part was posting so long a formatted document here. Without the frames & smaller font it would have been twice as long.

Thing is, we go to Mystic again tomorrow. (Yay!) Maybe I'll find another as good. (But it's thought this is the only recorded Welsh chantey.)

Gareth: Just one note of caution "Cosher Bailey" is a living song,

That's not a "caution," that's an advantage. It's a real folksong. It's a shame when a song becomes a museum piece only with fixed verses & tune. "Living" is a Good Thing. If you have some additional verses please post them and/or send to me. Especially if they're unusual ones. And any attribution you might have on them.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Hob y Deri Dando (yr Cyrnric and Saxon
From: Abby Sale
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 11:07 AM

Vitally important question, Joe. Enquiring minds need to know these things. I had a look at openroads.com to find Barfield is an invisible location dead center of England & right next to Shitterfield (as well as I can read it.) It goes on to show the town has 0 "places to visit" and 0 "places to eat."

I suppose "Hatches" could be one of those Brittish terms for some kind of an area as "commons" or "downs" or "Mormond Braes" or "Preston Pans." They like that sort of thing. A cross-hatched field? A place where birds are born? Gad!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Hob y Deri Dando (yr Cyrnric and Saxon
From: sian, west wales
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 11:35 AM

Abby

Keep a weather eye out for Mudcatter Skipper Jack (Dave from Swansea) who will be out at Mystic with the Baggyrinkle Swansea Chantymen!

sian


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Hob y Deri Dando (yr Cyrnric and Saxon
From: Dead Horse
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 01:48 PM

Gareth drinking bass? How long have you been imbibing fish, lad? And does it help with the scales.........?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Hob y Deri Dando (yr Cyrnric and Saxon
From: Snuffy
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 05:43 PM

Barford, Warwickshire, has two pubs both of which do food. The nearby village is Snitterfield.

There is also Barford, Norfolk; Barford St Martin, Wiltshire; Barford St John and Barford St Michael, Oxfordshire; and Great and Little Barford, Befordshire.

But I don't know if any of them have Hatches.

WassaiL! V


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Hob y Deri Dando (yr Cyrnric and Saxon
From: Gareth
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 06:39 PM

Abby Sale- Bit late tonite but I will do my best, and PM you in due time. Don't forget the round competitions of improvising verses in a Crowd. This one got me thrown out of the East Kent PH in Whitstable (KENT) some 15 years ago. (I think "Dead Horse" might have been present)

" Oh the Land lords name is Dicky
And his singing's very Trickey
It is very thin and flat,
And his beers a lot like that !.

Have you ever saw etc."

My late father new many, both 'Rugby' and satirical, I wish I'd recorded them.

Barford Hatches - a google search just returns various forms of "Cosher Bailey". Local, very hazey, 'folk memories' sugests it may have been Dowlais Common Near Merthyr, but a search of a modern ordinance survey map gives no match. I will try some of the older maps in the Glamorgan record office in Cardiff one weekend.

Dead Horse, half the hoodeners, including Mark Lawson were present that night in the East Kent - And if I was drinking Bass in the 'Royal Oak in Ystrad Mynach it's becos the Landlord there only has "Spitfire" in as his guest Ale one week in 5 !

Gareth


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Hob y Deri Dando (yr Cyrnric and Saxon
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 19 Mar 17 - 02:13 PM

Just re-reading this & the associated threads. Looking once more for "Barford hatches"
Snuffy (in the last post) mentions Barford St Martin, and asks whether they have 'hatches'.
A google for the meaning of 'hatches' led Here where one meaning is 'floodgates'. Barford St Martin does have flood barriers: here any connection?

Cheers
Nigel


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Hob y Deri Dando (yr Cyrnric and Saxon
From: Snuffy
Date: 19 Mar 17 - 06:12 PM

Back in the dear, dead days beyond recall Gareth and I discussed Barford Hatches on the Folkinfo site, where I raised the possibility that Barford might actually be Beaufort on the Heads of the Valleys, where Crawshay Bailey had extensive ironworks.


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