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Subject: RE: Cop Killer IS objectionable From: Date: 04 May 98 - 07:12 PM from rosebrooks post ^up there^ " I would like to hear more from those of you who are proposing this song be censored regarding how that is to be done. Who is the person or persons who will choose what voices to silence? How is that person/group chosen/appointed to do this job? What would be the proposed criteria for judging the material and determining whether it meets with approval or with censorship? "
I have really been thinking hard about this one. I find that I doubt very much that it is possible to find a way to have 'some' censorship without the privilege being abused, but I also have this visceral feeling that if the job were offered to me, I would take it! (not that there is much chance!)Although I know that strict 'cause & effect' does not apply to the effect such music might have on society, I am totally convinced that the effects are real and negative over the long term. It is a sad thing that the only solutions for certain problems are so drastic that we can never consider using them until the situation is in total crisis! (the situation with the Amazon rainforest for example...the world needs to simply tell Brazil that they MUST stop the destruction...but no one dares to say it, and it would mean international chaos to try it!) There is a well known formula for cooking frogs..(you simply put the frog in a kettle of water and raise the temperature VERY slowly until it is too late for the frog to realize he has a problem). I'm afraid many of the world's problems are like that...(population, pollution, overfishing, Microsoft, strip malls, corruption of 'folk music',...etc.)well, you see how sticky it is....I am glad that Max allows all this free discussion, 'cause it lets ME get on my soap box...but doesn't he see that some of the rest of you ought to be edited a bit??? *wink* |
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Subject: RE: Cop Killer IS objectionable From: Bill D Date: 04 May 98 - 07:15 PM forgot that I had a different version of Netscape up and my message wasn't automatically being signed! All that in the previous post was, in fact, me |
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Subject: RE: Cop Killer IS objectionable From: Pete M Date: 04 May 98 - 08:44 PM Some interesting ideas Steve, and ones that could do with some serious serious discussion and consideration. Personally, I would add the following - remove the "Limited liability" protection from companies so that Senior managers/directors and shareholders can be made directly liable for problems the company causes. Unfortuantely I think the only immediate effect would be to enrich lawyers, so we'ed better ban them as well! Anyway enough of this frivolity I'm going back to reality, my recordings of the Goon shows. Pete M |
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Subject: RE: Cop Killer IS objectionable From: chet w Date: 04 May 98 - 10:09 PM Want a recipe for nerve gas? Go to a bookstore (you may have to try a few) and get a copy of The Anarchists' Cookbook, a reprinted work from the glorious sixties (I could have it in thirty minutes) In the sixties I never supported the violent activities of the Weathermen or the Black Panthers. I will say that at least these groups HAD a political agenda, whereas today's rap and heavy metal purveyors decidedly do not. It is a money-making machine taking advantage of the misery of those who can't seem to help themselves. And I'll tell you a couple of effective things being done in my backwards little state of South Carolina. In Columbia, where I live, they have opened police substations in the public housing projects and offered cash incentives to officers willing to live there. I have heard that it's making a difference. In historic Charleston, where the Civil War began, police chief Reuben Greenberg (who is black, in spite of his name), posted street officers on the very blocks where drugs were being sold (which is the driving force behind this gangsta criminal subculture). The dealers are being forced farther and farther away, and juvenile arrests are down 30 percent since the program began. This represents over the years hundreds of young people who did not start down the slippery criminal path. Chief Greenberg should be celebrated as a hero for that fact. I don't want government censorship. I want communities to marginalize these criminals just as we did to the Ku Klux Klan so that they at least have to hide their faces in public and do not get rich over the bodies of easily influenced juveniles who may have every right to feel rage but could be guided, as we were guided in the sixties by Dr. King, to do something constructive and effective rather than commit the suicide that the prison path represents. I can't help but think that we already are together on this if we just pay attention. Keep it up. I'm mostly checking the "CopKiller-the sequel" thread now. Chet W. |
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Subject: RE: Cop Killer IS objectionable From: rrobin Date: 06 May 98 - 04:07 PM I couldn't finish reading all the messages, it made me sick. Why is everyone so afraid to say bad is bad and good is good? I think if this song were written about whatever each of you considers yourselves to be, and not cops, then you might be able to tell bad from good a little better. Personally, as a woman, and a mother, I feel threatened by the language in the song. What difference does it make whether it's sung to music or shouted in your face or just mumbled in your ear? |
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Subject: RE: Cop Killer IS objectionable From: steve t Date: 06 May 98 - 11:03 PM Well just about everyone agrees Cop Killer is bad, but only a few people think the government should be allowed to do anything about it. Reminder to post future stuff to Objectionable Material - the sequel. |
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Subject: RE: Cop Killer IS objectionable From: GUEST,clank Date: 20 Nov 09 - 10:07 PM ha, i had that 45 when i was a kid. the dad of some neighbor's around the corner from me were related to marshall cheney, at one point the grand dragon of the kkk in indiana. i can still remember the tune. |
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Subject: RE: Cop Killer IS objectionable From: Joe Offer Date: 20 Nov 09 - 11:10 PM Well, I don't quite know what to think of Clank's post, but I'm glad the thread was refreshed. It's an example of Mudcat at its best. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Cop Killer IS objectionable From: GUEST,hg Date: 20 Nov 09 - 11:25 PM Well Joe, this clank came through the RSS feed, I think. |
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Subject: RE: Cop Killer IS objectionable From: MartinRyan Date: 21 Nov 09 - 03:51 AM Jeez! The "45" reference had me confused for a moment... Regards |
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Subject: RE: Cop Killer IS objectionable From: MGM·Lion Date: 21 Nov 09 - 06:24 AM I have just read right thru this refreshed thread. Two things amaze me:— 1 No list of Related Threads at the top — hasn't censorship been an issue elsewhere? Oh, surely ... 2 Nobody from here in the UK seems to have chipped in to mention our Race Relations legislation of 1965, 1976 &c, which forbids discrimination on ethnic grounds in employment, education &c; and also makes any publication or public pronouncement to the detriment of any section of society on ethnic grounds illegal. In other words, such pronouncements and/or publication is subject to CENSORSHIP. This is generally approved of by 'liberal' elements in our society - who, however, will paradoxically generally declare themselves to be opposed to 'censorship' in any form. All such acquaintance to whom I have pointed out the 'censorship' aspects of the Race Relations Acts, and asked to justify such inconsistency, have been either evasive or self-contradictory. I have no solution to offer to resolve this apparent paradox; but it seems to me that this situation is most relevant, and bears strong and obvious affinities to, the subject of this thread throughout. Anyone, either from here or from over there in US, care to comment on these observations? |
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Subject: RE: Cop Killer IS objectionable From: Cool Beans Date: 21 Nov 09 - 07:39 AM Ironically, "Cop Killer" composer/author/former rapper Ice-T (Tracy Marrow) now plays a cop on TV's "Law and Order: SVU." |
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Subject: RE: Cop Killer IS objectionable From: kendall Date: 21 Nov 09 - 08:28 AM "No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." (H.L. Mencken) |
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Subject: RE: Cop Killer IS objectionable From: Amos Date: 21 Nov 09 - 10:02 AM What strikes me about that conversation from 1998 is the clarity of the posts and the common goodwill with which people expressed their points of view. It occurs to me that what is most objectionable about that recording is that such polarization in the ordinary day-to-day world should exist that such a song would arise at all. A |
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Subject: RE: Cop Killer IS objectionable From: paula t Date: 21 Nov 09 - 11:48 AM I have to admit that I hate this song and what it represents. I feel very uncomfortable that it is played anywhere.However, I feel that banning a song gives it kudos.If the "powers that be" were to ban it then they would just give ammunition to the musicians and their supporters. If it had been played on our radio at home when the girls were younger, then I would have switched it off and told them why I found it offensive. Nowadays I would leave it to them and trust them to disagree with the lyrics on their own.There comes a time when the generation this is aimed at have to vote with their feet and their money and take control of what is seen as acceptable.This is the only way to deal with this type of material.Despite the bad press,I have found most young people I have met to be decent and able to empathise with others.We just have to hope that ,eventually, poor sales makes these "musicians" change tack or get out of the business through lack of money. |
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Subject: RE: Cop Killer IS objectionable From: Neil D Date: 21 Nov 09 - 12:58 PM Amos said "It occurs to me that what is most objectionable about that recording is that such polarization in the ordinary day-to-day world should exist that such a song would arise at all." Excellent point, Amos. I'm surprised it took 11 years for someone to make it. |
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