Subject: The Turkish Reverie From: GUEST,leopold@worldnet.att.net Date: 26 Jul 02 - 09:22 AM Does anybody know the background of the song "The Turkish Reverie?". It tells the same story as that of "The Golden Vanity." Is it an American variant? Did it originate as a broadside ballad? Did it have a single composer, and if so, who? Thanks |
Subject: RE: The Turkish Reverie From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 26 Jul 02 - 11:07 AM Child #286, Roud Folk Song Index #122. Those two ships have had an awful lot of names over the years; sometimes, too (as here) the other ship -the Turkish Galley, Turkey Silveree etc.- gives the song its name. In a broadside example of the late 17th century (given by Child as his version A) the ship is The Sweet Trinity, built by Sir Walter Rawleigh, and the enemy is simply "a false gallaly", but The Golden Vanity is the best-known name; the enemy being variously French, Spanish, Turkish and so on. In fact, the name seems to have been mutable for a long time; Child also mentions The Golden Victorie, The Gold Pinnatree and The Golden Trinitie. Other examples include: The Bold Trellitee (Catskills) Often the song has been given the Golden Vanity title by collectors for convenience, where their source actually had a quite different name for the ship, such as: The Golden Silveree (North Carolina) There are five traditional sets from the Ozarks, recorded in the 1960s, at The Max Hunter Folk Song Collection: Hunter #61 Turkish Sugarlee As might be expected, there are a good few sets in the DT, mostly from the USA: THE SWEET KUMADEE Scottish set; traditional source not noted. There's also some material in the Forum, particularly: THE GOLDEN VANITY Set from The Penguin Book of English Folk Songs, noted by Anne Gilchrist from W. Bolton, Southport, Lancashire, in 1906. Spanish enemy. Entry at The Traditional Ballad Index: http://www.csufresno.edu/folklore/ballads/C286.html A broadside copy at Bodleian Library Broadside Ballads: The Golden vanity, or The low lands low Printed between 1849 and 1862 by H. Such, Newsvender, &c. 123, Union Street, Borough, London. (Spanish Galleon.) A rather long-winded way of answering your questions, but it's more interesting than saying (a) usually (b) probably, but well before it acquired the Turkish Reverie title and (c) nobody knows for sure! |
Subject: RE: The Turkish Reverie From: EBarnacle1 Date: 26 Jul 02 - 11:32 AM When doing children's [as opposed to Child]sets, it have found it useful to add the following variant verse in: Oh, some were playing cards, And some were playing dice, And some were doing pirate things That weren't very nice. |
Subject: Lyr Add: SINKING IN THE LONESOME SEA From: masato sakurai Date: 26 Jul 02 - 11:48 AM Other similar names (not always used as titles) are "The Turkish Reveille," "The Turkish Revelee," "The Turkish Rebilee" and "The Turkish Revoloo," "The Turkish Revelry," "The Turkish Revelrie," "The Kish Rebel Lee," "The Turkish Revelee," "The Turkish Shilveree," and "The Turkish Travelee." All of them, at least those in Bronson, are American. The Carter Family's SINKING IN THE LONESOME SEA (their recording is at the honkingduck site) is also a variant. SINKING IN THE LONESOME SEA There was a little ship and it sailed upon the sea And she went by the name of the Merry Golden Tree As she sailed upon the low and lonesome low As she sailed upon the lonesome sea
There was a little sailor unto his captain said
"Two hundred dollars I will give unto thee
He bowed upon his breast and away swam he
If it wasn't for the love of your daughter and your men
He bowed his head, and down sank he ~Masato
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Subject: RE: The Turkish Reverie From: EBarnacle1 Date: 26 Jul 02 - 11:56 AM Masato, what happened to him swimming along side, drilling holes in their bottoms, etc? Did you miss the middle? |
Subject: RE: The Turkish Reverie From: masato sakurai Date: 26 Jul 02 - 12:09 PM EBarnacle, that's the Carters' version. Listen at the link above. ~Masato |
Subject: RE: The Turkish Reverie From: GUEST Date: 13 Jan 07 - 07:23 PM Burl Ives did a great version of this song. |
Subject: RE: The Turkish Reverie From: GUEST,Bob Coltman Date: 14 Jan 07 - 12:04 PM The recently popularized version of the "Turkish Revelry" ( = "Golden Vanity/Willow Tree") sung on the double CD of pirate songs issued in connection with Johnny Depp's Pirates of the Caribbean -- sung by Loudon Wainwright III-- stems from Paul Clayton's version, "The Turkish Revelee," recorded in 1957 on his most popular album, Whaling and Sailing Songs from the Days of Moby Dick, Tradition 1005. The record has been reissued on CD at least twice and last time I looked was still available. Clayton's notes on the song say "The ballad probably originated about the middle of the 17th century when the Barbary pirates (known as Turks) raided shipping in the English Channel and even looted coastal towns." He transcribed and learned his version from a 1932 aluminum recording of one of the best American traditional singers, Horton Barker of Chilhowie / St. Clair's Bottom, Virginia, in the collection of the Virginia Folklore Society. Barker's repertoire contained many of the finest American versions of the Child Ballads. The song was included in a book Clayton made primary contributions to as a graduate student, Arthur Kyle Davis' More Traditional Ballads of Virginia, UNC Press, Chapel Hill, 1960. I don't know how far back you want to go toward the fountainhead. For the ultimate sources of the ballad, of course, see Francis James Child's excellent-as-always background notes in The English and Scottish Popular Ballads, where he traces it through three clusters of versions in the Pepys Ballads, Logan's Pedlar's Pack and other sources. He puts the song in the 17th century, and was apparently unable to find earlier traces. The attribution of one version as "Sir Walter Raleigh Sailing in the Low-lands, etc." (which, to answer another of your questions, was a broadside) is almost certainly fantasy about this popular naval hero of a previous era. Child's two other cited versions are, he believes, traditional variants of the original broadside. By contrast to some other Child ballads involving at least semi-historical sea incidents (like "Captain Ward and the Rainbow"), no firm historical background could be found by Child, that very knowledgeable student of ballad origins, and no specific historical incident is identified. As to composition, as with most ballads of its age, it is anonymous. It's always worthwhile to try to look for authors in these circumstances, but rarely can one be pinned down. Broadsides in particular were anonymous productions, the tabloid TV of their day. Bob |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Turkish Reverie From: GUEST,Lee Gold Date: 03 Nov 21 - 01:31 PM Science Fiction author Randall Garrett wrote a song ("The Duke of Normandy") to this melody that continued a plotline from his novel TOO MANY MAGICIANS. The song appears in Bruce Pelz's The Filksong Manual. https://conchord.org/xeno/ix.filkman.html It starts. There was a ship of the Anglo-French Navy And the name of the ship was the Duke of Normandy And they feared she would be taken by the Polish enemy As she sailed upon the Northland Northland Sea. She sailed upon the Northland Sea So they took on board a sorcerer who bore a strange machine; It was flared at the muzzle, of a bright metallic sheen-- A projector of confusion for the Polish magazine As she sailed upon the Northland Sea. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Turkish Reverie From: Stewie Date: 03 Nov 21 - 08:30 PM Here is a belter rendition of this beaut ballad: Barbara Dane --Stewie. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Turkish Reverie From: clueless don Date: 05 Nov 21 - 06:20 AM The late Margaret MacArthur did an American variant called "The Weeping Willow Tree". One notable characteristic was that the little sailor/boy turned the tables on the treacherous captain. /detail.cfm?messages__Message_ID=3590558 |
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