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BS: Speaking of NGDB

allanwill 24 Aug 02 - 05:49 PM
Mr Happy 24 Aug 02 - 05:52 PM
allanwill 24 Aug 02 - 05:57 PM
michaelr 25 Aug 02 - 03:42 PM
X 25 Aug 02 - 10:00 PM
GUEST 25 Aug 02 - 11:16 PM
X 25 Aug 02 - 11:33 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 26 Aug 02 - 12:01 AM
Venthony 26 Aug 02 - 01:13 AM
Venthony 26 Aug 02 - 01:25 AM
X 26 Aug 02 - 02:26 AM
Bee-dubya-ell 26 Aug 02 - 02:26 AM
allanwill 26 Aug 02 - 01:37 PM
X 26 Aug 02 - 04:47 PM
Barry Finn 26 Aug 02 - 08:42 PM

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Subject: Speaking of NGDB
From: allanwill
Date: 24 Aug 02 - 05:49 PM

...and the Stars and Stripes album, has anyone ever noticed the similarity between Mountain Whipporwill and the Charley Daniels Band's Devil Went Down To Georgia.

I don't mean to infer anything but it just seems to me that CD's song owes a lot to the NGDB.

Allan


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Subject: RE: BS: Speaking of NGDB
From: Mr Happy
Date: 24 Aug 02 - 05:52 PM

ngdb?


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Subject: RE: BS: Speaking of NGDB
From: allanwill
Date: 24 Aug 02 - 05:57 PM

ah - Nitty Gritty Dirt Band.


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Subject: RE: BS: Speaking of NGDB
From: michaelr
Date: 25 Aug 02 - 03:42 PM

Allan, I know what you mean! Fiddlin' contest in Georgia, and all that... "Stars and Stripes Forever" was released in 1974, and I don't know when Charlie Daniels' song came out, but he may well have been influenced by John McEuen's piece.

"Old Dan Whelan, with whiskers in his ears
He's been the kingpin fiddler for nearly thirty years"

A classic album!
Cheers, Michael


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Subject: RE: BS: Speaking of NGDB
From: X
Date: 25 Aug 02 - 10:00 PM

I saw John do "Mt. Whipporwill" back in 68 and I know he was doing it before that date.


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Subject: RE: BS: Speaking of NGDB
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Aug 02 - 11:16 PM

"Old Dan Whelan, with whiskers in his ears He's been the kingpin fiddler for nearly thirty years"
That supposedly ngdb????

Say, have any of you fellows ever heard of Stephen Vincent Benet?

check here for the full poem.

'... and explains how Stephen Vincent Benet's 1925 classic poem "The Mountain Whippoorwill" was inspired by country fiddler Lowe Stokes winning an Atlanta fiddle contest in 1924. '


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Subject: RE: BS: Speaking of NGDB
From: X
Date: 25 Aug 02 - 11:33 PM

I just talked to John and this is what he said,

"you are right... long before.. I made an orchestrated version that I played for Charlie one December up in Aspen... he was very quiet when it was over... and said it was the best thing he had everheard... and 4 months later Devil came out... he had not written it yet at the time I played it for him..." John McEuen


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Subject: RE: BS: Speaking of NGDB
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 26 Aug 02 - 12:01 AM

WOBH


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Subject: RE: BS: Speaking of NGDB
From: Venthony
Date: 26 Aug 02 - 01:13 AM

As long as we're talking about Benet and talented people having the sense to steal good stuff (certainly that's always been MY plan) -- has anyone every heard of a Crazy Little Thing Called Faust?

LOL Tony


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Subject: RE: BS: Speaking of NGDB
From: Venthony
Date: 26 Aug 02 - 01:25 AM

My immediately prior post had an obvious typo. It's not big thing, but I used to be a writer, so this kind of lapse, by habit, bothers me. The post should have read:

As long as we're talking about Benet and talented people having the sense to steal good stuff (certainly that's always been MY plan) -- has anyone ever heard of a Crazy Little Thing Called Faust?

Best wishes and apologies, Tony


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Subject: RE: BS: Speaking of NGDB
From: X
Date: 26 Aug 02 - 02:26 AM

John never claimed to having authored "Mt. Whippoorwill." What he did was, "...made a orchestrated version."


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Subject: RE: BS: Speaking of NGDB
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 26 Aug 02 - 02:26 AM

That's what I love about The Mudcat Cafe! Where else in all of cyberspace would someone be so concscientious as to repost a message to get rid of a single extraneous "y"? And apologize to boot!!!!

But, just to prevent total thread creep, how about a Satan worshipper slant on "The Devil Went Down to Georgia"? Click Here


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Subject: RE: BS: Speaking of NGDB
From: allanwill
Date: 26 Aug 02 - 01:37 PM

Thanks guys - this has been bugging me for years and, with your responses, I can now lay it to rest.

The Banjoest - I haven't been able to find out, from the web, whether Charlie Daniels is given credit for writing or arranging the song or whether he gives credit to Benet. Did Mr McEuen seem a little bit peeved with Charlie Daniels at all?

GUEST - thanks for the lead to Benet's poem. I was not aware of it.

Bee-dubya-ell - I love this line from Pastor Karrls:

"After many years of frustration, he eats the lute and dies."

Thanks again.

Allan


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Subject: RE: BS: Speaking of NGDB
From: X
Date: 26 Aug 02 - 04:47 PM

Alinact:

No, not at all. I don't think John has it in him to get peeved at anybody. I don't know if C.D. knew that Benet had written the poem when John did it for him.

Keep in mind that John used the poem word for word and C.D. wrote a new song based on the poem as he had heared it from John.


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Subject: RE: BS: Speaking of NGDB
From: Barry Finn
Date: 26 Aug 02 - 08:42 PM

There are a couple of old threads on the Mt. Whippoorwill. A search using whippoorwill will bring them up. Barry


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