Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: smallpiper
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 01:11 PM

Hey alanabit, visit the island you'll love it. Its a long time since I listened to any of Lindisfarnse stuff so I can excuse my forgetting of one title. I was part of the team that got the band back together after they split up in the mid 70's and started them on the rocky road of christmas specials and reunions! They are still going strong (I believe) and I agree a nicer bunch of blokes you'd be hard put to meet.

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: Art Thieme
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 02:53 PM

No lapse from me. As I've said often in the past, I have always known and will always know what folk "is" in spite of mod morphings of it. To paraphrase Jesus (a first for me), "You guys don't know what you're doin' so you ain't to blame I guess."

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 03:30 PM

I liked Jimmy Rogers, the Cumberland Three, the Tarriers, and The Kingston Trio. Further back, I probably gained my real interest in folk music through Frankie Lane, who never sang a folk song in his life. Or, how about Sixteen Tons by that ole Pea-picker, Tenessee Ernie Ford, or Muleskinner Blues by The Fendermen. And as far as exuberance and high energy is concerned, the Kingston Trio sounded like they were sleep-walking in comparison to my great favorite, Lonnie Donnegan. Purity is a tough thing to measure. Which is more impure?.. bouncy white-buck folk music, or folk songs backed by the Gordon Jenkins Orchestra? And you think that the Weaver's weren't recording for the money? Or that they didn't want national exposure for their own careers and ego? Do you think that they did it just for their love of folk music? The only thing that's pure on this planet is Ivory Soap and it's only 99 and 44/100ths percent pure. :-)

Jerry

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: Art Thieme
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 03:46 PM

Jerry, Lack of purity is definitely my human failing too. Still, I know what folk music is (to me). That folk music is, at least, 99 & .44% pure----if not more. I don't know if it floats or not---so I've been floating my ideas out here for a while now just to see if it makes some waves. I don't want to swamp anyone though---- ;-)

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: Amos
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 04:53 PM

Well, at least Art is coming clean, and I should add the reminder that all that floats is not soap!

Jerry, sorry for the snobbery. The recordings I first fell in love with were Frank Warner and Leadbelly, and they both sounded like they had lived through the very melodramas about which they sang. The Weavers, studio or not, poured their hearts out and filled their renditions with what struck me as purely genuine gusto.

I dunno about Folkier than Thou (it might even be an oxymoron!) but I like a singer who sings squarely from the middle of his song, so you feel, listening, like the real story is unrolling around you. Tom Lehrer qualifies, Bessie Smith qualifies, so does "Lili Marlene" and Marlene Deitrich and Georges Brassens and (for some strange reason, probably that Afrikaans accent) Josef Marais with Miranda hell, even Francoise Hardy qualifies, but the Limelighters somehow never did. In spite of which I still occasionally sing their L&M filter cigarette commercial! :>)

But that's just me, and I am not trying to cop a superior attitude, just express a preference.

A

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: Deckman
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 05:25 PM

O,K, Don Firth! Because of your arm twisting, I read this thread. Let's see if I can make sense of it all? Apparently another folk revival is happening ... again. If I'm correct, this will be number 5, or is it 6, since we started playing together? So, let's do it right this time: let's get new strings on our guitars, I'll dig out some of our standard cheat sheets from the fifties, you call Patti, I'll get a gallon of cheap red wine, and we'll know we've 'made it (again) when the Seattle Yacht Club shedules us. CHEERS, Bob

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: M.Ted
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 05:38 PM

Folksongs have no real existance of their own, and only survive if they can be transmitted from one generation to the next by some sort of carrier, be it busker, balladeer, or Barney--

Mitch Miller and Gordon Jenkins made folksongs part of the lives of a lot more people than Richard Dyer-Bennet did--all matters of taste aside--and that is what makes it folkmusic, rather than an collection of anthropological artifacts--

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: jimmyt
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 05:42 PM

AMEN, MTED!!!

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 05:51 PM

Hey, Folks:

I'm not accusing anyone of snobbery, here. I'm just saying that many of us... Amos being one of perhaps several exceptions, came to folk music through commercialized versions that we heard on the radio. Unless you had some old toothless geezer plucking banjo down the road from you, you probably were introduced to music by records and on the radio. Recordings and radio play revolved mostly around money. People don't play stuff on the radio, except on college stations and some other FM stations unless it has some commercial potential. Ah, there's the rub. For many of us, we didn't hear the Folkways albums because we didn't live in a big city. I never heard of Folkways until I came to New York City in 1960, when I was already 25 and hooked on folk music because of the Kingston Trio, Lonnie Donnegan and Jimmy Rogers. FM radio wasn't even avaiable where I grew up until I was in my teens. And we didn't get it.

All I'm saying is that many, if not most of us didn't come to folk music through Frank Warner, or Bascom Lamar Lunsford... or any of the people whose music I came to love. That doesn't mean I want to run downstairs and get my Kingston Trio albums out to listen to them. But, I give them and people I never enjoyed (like the Limelighters or the Chad Mitchel Trio) credit for introducing people to folk music who otherwise might never have heard the more authentic folk music I love. My attitude isn't, "What are you listening to that stuff for?" It's "If you enjoy the Kingston Trio or Peter Paul and Mary, listen to these recordings... this is where they got the songs from." I don't want to turn people off. I want to turn them on. :-)

Jerry

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: Mudlark
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 05:53 PM

This whole thread makes me yearn for Gallo's long defunct Paisano red wine...or even the Cribari Family. It wasn't good but it sure was cheap!

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 06:02 PM

Hey, Bob!! Sounds good to me!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: Gareth
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 06:14 PM

Possible drift, or possibly not, given a lead, !Joanna! or Guitar, in any mixed gathering the old popular songs are still sung, possibly because the Words or known. "Tipary (Sic)" "Pack up you Troubles in yer Old Kit Bag", and others that have survived in the peoples memory.

And yes I've heard songs such as "Dolly Grey", and "Tipary" sung with gusto at Llanstock and the White Horse Festival.

For what its worth if it is held in memory before the record fades from the charts it becomes Folk !

Gareth

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: Deckman
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 06:16 PM

Hey Mudlark ... Do you remember that label on the Cribari red wine (dago red) label. That big nosed old wine maker gave definition to lechery! We used to go caving in the Santa Cruz mountains with bottles of that poisen, but only because the bottles were small enough to fit into our packs. WOW. I think I just caused a thread creep! Forget everything I just said. CHEERS, Bob

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: BH
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 07:04 PM

Michael R. you are so right--all has to do with memory and your youthful years. Nostalgia is a strong force. I am reminded of a true story of a person I knew who cried a few days after the funeral of his father---he said he really was crying for his lost youth and now realized his aging since he never cared for his father that much.

We live with our fond memories.

But, Mted brings up another point---the produced orchestral Weavers---as an example. Even Pete Seeger now says that they felt and looked like performing monkeys in their monkey suits. Yet--in truth--that and groups like Kingston Trio (harken back to the earlier part of the thread) did introduce people to "folk" music. I still never did understand the intrique with the Kingston Trio though----folk ala beach boys.

Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: jimmyt
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 07:59 PM

Back to a thread fragment I brought up earlier but received no response, is folk music being performed in England predominantly Celtic origin, or is there an original English Folk music that is being performed. I know there is English folk music, but as a trend, is the music largely Irish, Scottish and or Welsh origin?

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: curmudgeon
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 08:21 PM

There is no such creature as Celtic music aside from the grasping minds of record producers. There is Scottish, Irish, Welsh, Manx, Cornish, Bretagne music all of which is Celtic. Then there is English folk song.

Those popular groups of the '60s drew most of their non-American repertoire from the English tradition. Most had neither the inclination nor the ability to grapple with "braid Scots' dialects.. And until the eruption of Makem & the Clancys, there was little Irish trad music available, aside from Seamus Ennis, Patrick Galvin, Margaret Barry and Joe Heaney.

I don't recall which group recorded a version of "Tail Toddle," but based on the notes and the rendition, I am quite sure that they had no idea what the song was about, nor cared -- it was up tempo and arranged well.

If you've got a few spare dollars, go to your local used book store, or on line, and get a copy of "Folk Song In England" by A.L.Lloyd; he says it better than I ever could hope to -- Tom

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: harper
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 08:38 PM

Yep, Barney is one who is keeping folk music alive; much as I hate to admit it. Used to be, I could teach my Kindergarten kids a folk song I knew they'd love.... but the last few years, they already knew it. "Barney sings that one," they'd inform me!!

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: Fortunato
Date: 29 Aug 02 - 10:52 AM

I learned my first songs from the 78's my mother played. The artists were mostly 'hillbilly' as they were called then: The Carter Family, Jimmie Rodgers, et al. And, of course, the Oklahoma Yodelling Cowboy, Gene Autrey. But I didn't start playing them on the guitar until I was eleven or so and by that time Jimmie Dean, Don Reno and Red Smiley, and others were on our local TV Channel 5 in Washington DC and I'd bought 45's of Johnny Cash singing Hey Porter and lots of others. By age 15 or so, I had early compilation LPs of Merle Travis. For the sake of brevity, I have never owned a Folk Revival Album. But I do have recordings of songs and artists, like the Skillet Lickers, that the Folk Revival brought to light, without which light they would still be unavailable and I'm grateful for that. I just can't find the sand and grit in the 'pop' recordings of folk music. For them that like it, it's the very thing. My 'folk music' needs a little dirt under it's fingernails. When John Hartford sang "You are my Sunshine" in "Down from the Mountain", his innate sincerity and empathy restored the grit and simple pathos to a song that was entirely threadbare. Do you take my meaning? cheers, chance

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: Steve-o
Date: 29 Aug 02 - 02:33 PM

What a wonderful thread this is! All kinds of great ideas and feelings about this funny thing "folk music". This right here is WHAT I CAME TO THE MUDCAT CAFE FOR. I have always sung all those songs that were popularized by the Weavers, K. Trio, Bob Gibson, etc.- without shame, and without categorizing and putting them in little boxes or arguing about their "authenticity". And you know what??.... people in bars and in parks and up at campgrounds and all over the place love to hear them, they sing along, and the songs have a life of their own, which will always be so. It's because they're ABOUT SOMETHING, as opposed to the garbage that we're fed by the mass media. Keep on singin' 'em out!!...let's have another of them there "folk revivals"....the first one wasn't half bad!

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: jimmyt
Date: 29 Aug 02 - 02:54 PM

Hooray for Steve-o THis is exactly my sentiment! The big thing is that if the music is done with feeling and done well, People love it! I am quite interested in the history lesson that we have been given. Sincerely, the input of people from all backgrounds and folk experience from a couple years back to the ones who cut their teeth in the 50's or earlier is great, but I still contend that if, and that's a big if, you care about what the audience wants to hear and enjoy, you should not discount all the songs form yesteryear. Audiences like to be challenged, but they also like what they know! to use a theater paraphrase, "sometimes I go to the theater for intellectual stimulation. Sometimes, I just want to be entertained!" I think both times are valid for performing arts

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: beachcomber
Date: 29 Aug 02 - 07:12 PM

Gosh, what a mighty thread, and I havn't got time right now to fully peruse it,. This 'll refresh it , right.

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: Deckman
Date: 29 Aug 02 - 07:22 PM


Wasn't that a mighty thread
Wasn't that a mighty thread
Wasn't that a mighty thread, Great GAWD that mornin'
When BASSMAN wondered why!
with all appropriate apologies. CHEERS, Bob(deckman)Nelson

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: Art Thieme
Date: 29 Aug 02 - 09:02 PM

Steve-o, Bob, Don, Jerry-----to all the folks I've met here at Mudcat (except Jerry---who I've known forever me thinks).-----It's the humor between the lines of all these posts that make me happy and glad to think we all are friends. We recognize our seriousness where our attitudes toward this music are concerned----but keeping it light (lite?) is the name of the game. The respect felt is palpable. Makes me glad I hang out here to pass along what little I've picked up. If I've got anything now, it's too much damn time on my hands. I've come to feel about my computer and Mudcat the way I felt about the words going around the edges of my banjo head ala Woody and Pete, "THIS MACHINE KILLS TIME !!!" Tanks t' all o' youse --- as folks 'd say in the Chicago wherein I grew up.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: Mudlark
Date: 29 Aug 02 - 11:37 PM

Deckman: As I recall, the label was the best thing about Cribiri, after the price. I now not only have a hankering for cheap red wine, I've also been dredging up all those old songs, trying to remember words. And getting nostalgic for Theo Bikel, coffee houses, and beatnik garb.

Came in from a 5 hour session last night just in time to catch the last half of Grateful Dawg, the doc. made of the Grisman/Garcia collaboration and old timey music. Sheer pleasure and great timing. They did When I went to Liverpool, a song I've sung ever since hearing it on Thar She Blows...and they kept panning the record album cover as the guys played. It looked in a lot better shape than mine!

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: jimmyt
Date: 29 Aug 02 - 11:45 PM

We just finished a 4 hour rehersal for an upcoming job and added a number of eclectic songs to our set! Jamaica farewell, Sloop John B, Quit your Lowdown ways, as well as a lot of "works in progress!" i was pumped before weeven started from all the terrific thoughts I have encountered on this thread and a couple of others I am following. I feel like I have met a lot of very neat people from my first couple days on Mudcat!~ Thanks everyone! (Why does everything I say on here sound like it is from an old Lassie show?)

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: JJ
Date: 29 Aug 02 - 11:58 PM

Father Crib, we used to call it in Central Pennsylvania, after the picture on the front of "B. Cribari -- Fondatore," which I have probably misremembered.

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: jimmyt
Date: 04 Sep 04 - 10:40 PM

This is the first thread I ever started here, and upon re-reading it, I know why I hang in there when I get angry or disgusted or get my feelings hurt by occasional comments.

At the risk of sounding corny again, there are some really intelligent comments by some real folk music greats sprinkled among my "Gee whiz comments." I hope you enjoyed reading this thread half as much as I did. It kind of gives me a new lease. Thanks, folks , for making Mudcat the place it is. jimmyt

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 04 Sep 04 - 11:30 PM

Jimmyt,

It's nice to see this thread again and realize, for once, maybe I didn't make an ass of myself. It's just so easy to click and post things that should've been slept on and self-censored.

So I'm going to bed!!   I hope to see some of you at the Fox Velley Festival tomorrow and Labor Day--Geneva, Illinois U.S.A.. It's a real treat for me and Carol to get to festivals now---and see and hear old friends. Martin Gibson, if you are there I'll buy you a funnel cake. ;-)

Art

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 04 Sep 04 - 11:59 PM

I agree with jimmyt and Art completely. I didn't even realize this thread was two years old until I was nearly all the way through reading it. Definitely a Mudcat moment.

Oh, and it's "Creeque Alley."

Aloha,
Mark

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: Tinker
Date: 05 Sep 04 - 02:45 AM

Thanks for refreshing this jimmyt. It's been a long day, and this was a wonderful gift to find.

tinker

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: John Hardly
Date: 05 Sep 04 - 09:28 AM

nostalgia ain't high art.

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: GUEST,KT, at a borrowed computer
Date: 05 Sep 04 - 09:53 AM

Great thread folks! I do a lot of "soloing" and include a lot of the old songs mentioned here but this makes me want to get a group together! Thanks for the inspiration!

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: jimmyt
Date: 05 Sep 04 - 10:32 AM

KT I just happened to luck in to being at the right place at the right time. My group had performed from 1963 to 66 then all went off to various colleges and has just gotten back together a month before this thread started. We stay as busy as we want to be, but most fun is getting together one week night per week, someone brings a song or 2 we open a couple bottles of wine and just play and sing for 3 or 4 hours in my kitchen We have good acoustics there, good lighting so the old eyes can see words and chords if they are written, and , most importantly a place to set wine glasses and snacks. I have never enjoyed music more than I do right now.

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: Deckman
Date: 05 Sep 04 - 10:39 AM

Jimmyt ... I echo your words: "I never enjoy my music as much as now." It's like several things I've discovered in my life ... it get's better with age! CHEERS, Bob

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Sep 04 - 01:49 PM

I'd like to add two things. England has traditional music as well as traditional song - for example but not by way of limitation, Morris tunes.

Second, for much song, the arrangement is as much if not more than the bare melody - see for example my thread "who records the English Tradition". It is submitted that the arrangements and harmonies were largely lost by the bowderisation of the collectors who pursued the purist theory of "the tune".

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: Eric the Streetsinger
Date: 06 Sep 04 - 12:16 AM

I remember my college days when every week or so we got another wandering folkie through- not always good ones, but their hearts were in the right place! Usually they'd do a workshop or two as well as their shows, and they'd share songs with you. We also had a bi-monthly open mike/song swap. It was great if you were like me, and had some chops on the guitar, but hadn't written much yet.
You'd meet with a few folks, swap a few songs, and voila! Instant repertoire! The songs with legs, why so many folks would learn them that when you'd get together for a hoot, or an open mike, you'd have some common ground too, and you'd do some group singing on "Blowing in the Wind" or some CSNY, Peter Paul and Mary, or a Steve Goodman song. Gradually, as you got your legs under you, you'd start to reconfigure your repertoire and put your own stamp on it. And you'd rewrite some of the stuff you knew, and pass that on at the open mikes or hoots, and it was pretty damned cool. You know, I bought hundreds of albums on the sayso of those itinerant folksingers. They'd come to town, play the song, and say "this was written by John Prine, or Cat Stevens, or
Gordon Lightfoot, or Angie Bell, and if the song was good, I was out to "Liquorice Pizza" the next day to buy the album.
I didn't get to see John Prine much back then, but I knew his songs, because people who loved them had played them for me, and I had all his albums, and I made damned sure I told everybody I knew about them, and they'd go out to get their own copy.
Good culture, good business.
I started working as one of those small time troubadours back in 74 or 75. I played alot of folk music, Peter Paul and Mary, Limeliters, that kind of stuff.
I could sound an aweful lot like Robert Allen Zimmerman on a good Staturday night, and I bet I sold some albums for him!   
There were loads of good gigs, 200 bucks a night or better in some strange rooms.
In the early Eighties I got a job at a summer camp in New Hampshire, and I played music every night at the campfires we had there. It was great fun. It made me feel great that the kids went home with some of my music, and they'd taught me some of theirs.
Well I was in the Navy from 84-88, and during that time I didn't play out much, except to Busk in Seattle and San Diego. When I got out in '88, I went back to that summer camp. For the final campfire the camp director asked me to sing "Blowing in the Wind" and "Leaving on a Jetplane" and I did. About six months later, the camp Director got a letter from an ASCAP representative. Apparently one of our campers that summer was the daughter of an ASCAP lawyer, and she told glowing stories about campfire music, and daddy the lawyer told his boss, and ASCAP came around demanding a royalty payment on behalf of Mr's Dylan and Denver. Now we weren't making money off the music, no cover charges, no promotions, no album sales. It was just folks around a campfire, sharing their favorite songs. ASCAP wanted money for it.
When I started getting back out into the nightclubs and cafes, things had changed. Open mikes were competitive ventures, where everyone got up to sing their own songs, and you better as hell not pick up a lick or try to learn someone else's song, because business is business.
And you'd better be careful to copyright your own songs before you played them out, 'cause someone was always watching to steal anything good that you did.
So I can tell you one thing- this folksinger at least thinks twice about singing or promoting ASCAP or BMI protected songs. I haven't dropped them out of my Repertoire, but I'm more selective about where I'll do them- don't want to slight Mr. ASCAP man.
Its sad that culture has been commodified in this way.

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: Deckman
Date: 06 Sep 04 - 05:59 AM

That was a very interesting post. Thanks for taking the time. Bob

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: lucky_p
Date: 06 Sep 04 - 07:18 AM

I'll add my 2 cents.

I've skimmed all of the posts and didn't see any mention of the fact that in the 60's -- at least in America -- folk music had a life beyond itself. I remember -- I was there. The 60's brought together wave upon wave of social movements in a way that was unprecedented in the U.S. -- the civil rights movement, anti-war movement, student movement, women's movement, gay rights, and the list goes on. And folk music, with content that promotes the values of community and communal experience, along with the elevation of the working person, the rebel, the iconoclast, rather than competitive, coporate experience; and the musical form of the hootenany/sing-along promoting the group experience; resulted in an energy that perfectly fueled and was fueled by the social movements of the time (i.e., "in unity there is strength"). And when you add to that a Bob Dylan or Joni MitchelL that take the basic form to a whole other level (not to mention an infant music business that was not yet overly corporatized and supported pushing the artistic envelope with no guarantee of immediate profit), you had a truly wonderful, experimental, magical time that had resonance mostly within its own boundaries.

I guess the point I am making is that the resonance, the impact, the creative fulfillment both in the composing, playing and listening, is not transferable to our day. Not really. As I said, the music had a life beyond itself. Out of that context it is not the same. Some of it is pretty, other parts overwritten, other parts sophomoric, and some wonderful, but the statement, the emotional resonance, existed only within that special time and space.

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: Midchuck
Date: 06 Sep 04 - 08:24 AM

I sang Farina's "Children of Darkness" at a circle a few weeks back. Hadn't sung it in years. It didn't seem out of date at all. I wish it had.

Peter.

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Sep 04 - 08:57 AM

With regard to lucky_p's comments,

In the 70's & even the 80's - attending University in Australia meant that one had a social life and mixed with the other faculties. It's true that some graduated with 'Refec Honours', but you got and Education in Life, and Social behaviour, as well as some 'book larnin'.

Nowadays the students have too high a study workload to waste time talking socially to other students, and the faculties don;t mix as much, cause they have their own special 'social places'. That's when they aren't working a job or two to pay for fees and books and food and rent and clothes, and...

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: KT
Date: 06 Sep 04 - 09:04 AM

Jimmyt - Sounds like a GREAT evening to me! What time? : )

Eric - Oh, horrors!! That is so sad to me, that sharing of music in such a non-profit way, must be so heavily moderated. As a songwriter, I can't believe that that's what Denver or Dylan would want. I'm all for giving credit where credit is due, and paying royalties to record another's work. If there are sales of that work, all the moreso.   But your campfire experience does not warrant that. That's not what it's about. We're really missing out on the gift of music if it all always boils down to money.

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: jimmyt
Date: 06 Sep 04 - 10:58 AM

Our rehearsals are open to all Catters. Allan C stopped in and we had a great session with him. I guess they are a little different than just guys sitting around playing in that we do stop and work out harmonies and the like but the fun is a constant. Did you ever think about the fact that the best seat in the house for any music is right in the middle of the music for the musicians themselves?

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: GUEST,Richard's other computer
Date: 06 Sep 04 - 02:33 PM

I find that "We shall overcome", "With God on our side", "All my trials" "Turn, turn, turn" all still go well - and have a political resonance again - as does "Eve of Destruction".

Subject: RE: Help: Why so little interest in performing 60s
From: Once Famous
Date: 07 Sep 04 - 11:10 AM

It is pretty cool to have found this resurrected thread and read through all of the "confessionals" of people like myself who came to folk music, guitar playing, singing by way of the Kingston Trio and the folk groups of the '60s.

To say that I didn't try to emulate and still to a degree do, Nick Reynolds harmony parts would be a lie.