Scots Minstrelsie (1893) by John Greig

Subject: Scots Minstrelsie (John Greig)
From: masato sakurai
Date: 22 Jan 03 - 07:24 PM

Scots Minstrelsie: A National Monument of Scottish Song (in 6 volumes; Edited and Arranged by John Greig, 1893) can be seen HERE at the Electric Scotland site. The work is now in progress (volume 1 and half of volume 2 are completed). Notes in addition to scores are often helpful.

~Masato

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https://electricscotland.com/music/minstrelsie/index.htm

Subject: RE: Scots Minstrelsie (1893) by John Greig
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 22 Jan 03 - 08:45 PM

That will be useful; thanks for the alert. Greig was also involved with the overlapping British Minstrelsie set, also in six volumes; though the sixth doesn't seem to turn up as often as the others.

Subject: RE: Scots Minstrelsie (1893) by John Greig
From: Stewie
Date: 23 Jan 03 - 12:57 AM

Thanks, Masato. I have bookmarked the site.

Regards, Stewie.

Subject: RE: Scots Minstrelsie (1893) by John Greig
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 23 Jan 03 - 10:27 PM

How does this relate to the 8-volume "Greig-Duncan" Folk Song Collection"?

Subject: RE: Scots Minstrelsie (1893) by John Greig
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 23 Jan 03 - 10:31 PM

Not in the least. Completely different Greig.

Subject: RE: Scots Minstrelsie (1893) by John Greig
From: MMario
Date: 24 Jan 03 - 09:16 AM

Nice to have yet another resource come online though

Subject: RE: Scots Minstrelsie (1893) by John Greig
From:
Date: 24 Jan 03 - 11:10 AM

Thanks Masato

Subject: RE: Scots Minstrelsie (1893) by John Greig
From:
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 04:54 PM

I have the complete set of 6 volumes with illustrations by Michael Brown - are these worth anything for insurance purposes?

Thanks

Anne-Marie

Subject: RE: Scots Minstrelsie (1893) by John Greig
From: GUEST,Ron Gaul
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 11:59 AM

I have 6 volumes of Scots Minstrelsie Edited & Arranged by John Greig.
However, the publisher is The Caxton Publishing Co. London. Any idea what date this edition was published?

Subject: RE: Scots Minstrelsie (1893) by John Greig
From: MartinRyan
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 12:07 PM

I see sets for sale dated 1900. Not clear if this is first/only Edn.

Regards

Subject: RE: Scots Minstrelsie (1893) by John Greig
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 12:47 PM

I don't think that any editions carry dates (1900 is an estimate). Suspect that it was published more or less simultaneously by Jack in Edinburgh and Caxton in London.

Subject: RE: Scots Minstrelsie (1893) by John Greig
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 01:03 PM

A look at COPAC suggests that the first Edinburgh edition was 1893.

Subject: RE: Scots Minstrelsie (1893) by John Greig
From: Big Tim
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 01:05 PM

I find the Library of Congress Online Catalogue to be a useful resource for book publication dates (and biog info about authors).

According to the LC catalogue, Greig's 6 vols were published between 1892-5. I think this was the first ed, by Jack of Edinburgh. Hope so, as it's the one I've got!

Subject: RE: Scots Minstrelsie (1893) by John Greig
From: Jim McLean
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 02:46 PM

I can only see vol 2 dated for 1893, the others have no date at all (also by Jack of Edinburgh).

Subject: RE: Scots Minstrelsie (1893) by John Greig
From: Big Tim
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 04:24 PM

On my copy, vol 1 is also dated 1893. Different editions?

Subject: RE: Scots Minstrelsie (1893) by John Greig
From: Jim McLean
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 05:40 PM

Definitely no date on my vol 1. I have six, slightly larger than A4 volumes, dark olive green with gold writing.Publisher is given as T. C. & E. C. Jack, Grange Publishing Works, illustrated by F. Michael Brown.

Subject: RE: Scots Minstrelsie (1893) by John Greig
From: Big Tim
Date: 29 Jul 08 - 02:58 AM

On my set, volumes 1 to 4 are all dated 1893.
Vols 5 and 6 have no date. This set is bound in brown cloth. However, my local library also has a set and it is bound in blue.
So that's 3 known colours and various dates. Puzzling!

Subject: RE: Scots Minstrelsie (1893) by John Greig
From: Big Tim
Date: 29 Jul 08 - 03:01 AM

PS Jim,

Perhaps you could check the British Library or the NLS? They should both have the first edition from legal deposit.

Subject: RE: Scots Minstrelsie (1893) by John Greig
From: Big Tim
Date: 29 Jul 08 - 11:33 AM

I was curious about Greig himself so I emailed the National Library of Scotland asking if they had any biographical ino on him. Below is the reply, received in less than 24 hours. Well done NLS.

'There seems to be surprisingly little information on such a well known composer and professor of music, and most catalogue records merely refer to him as 'flourishing' between 1892 and 1910. [as in the Library of Congress catalogue - b.t.]

However in John Farmer's 'A History of Music in Scotland' published, 1947, Greig is mentioned many times and his dates are given as 1854-1909. According to Farmer's text, Greig was educated at Edinburgh University and Moray House Training College, he also graduated B.Mus (1878) and D.Mus (1899) at Oxford. As organist at St. Cuthbert's Free Church, Edinburgh, and as interim professor of music at the University (1891) he was very popular. In 1900 he became organist of the Scottish National Church, London, where he died'.

Also checked the blue copy of 'Minstrelsie' in my local library. They only have vols. 1,4,5 and 6. None have any date on them, but vol 1 has a photo of Greig in it, which is not in vol. 1 of my brown set!

Subject: RE: Scots Minstrelsie (1893) by John Greig
From: Jim McLean
Date: 29 Jul 08 - 01:18 PM

I'm waiting for an answer from the BL but as you say, Big Tim, Farmer (Henry George) mentions Greig a few times and writes twice that the Scots Minstrelsie was published in 1892-5, Edinburgh.

Subject: RE: Scots Minstrelsie (1893) by John Greig
From: Rumncoke
Date: 29 Jul 08 - 08:47 PM

When I get back from Sidmouth I must go though all the volumes, I have already found the exact versions of a couple of somgs my mother used to sing, and hope that there might be more.

Subject: RE: Scots Minstrelsie (1893) by John Greig
From: Jim McLean
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 07:49 AM

From the British Library:


No.
Brief record


1
Scots minstrelsie : a national monument of Scottish song / edited and arranged by John Greig ; with a gallery of authentic portraits, and illustrations after Wilkie, Duncan, Faed, Harvey, Bough, and others ; in six volumes. [ca. 1900]



Scots minstrelsie : a national monument of Scottish song / edited and arranged by John Greig in six volumes; with original coloured illustrations by J. Michael Brown. [ca. 1895?]

3
Scots minstrelsie : a national monument of Scottish song / edited and arranged by John Greig in six volumes ; with original coloured illustrations by J. Michael Brown. 1893-[1894]

4
Scots Minstrelsie: a National Monument of Scottish Song, edited and arranged by J. Greig ... In six volumes, with original coloured illustrations by J. M. Brown. / [by Greig, John]. 1893.

5
Scots Minstrelsie: a national monument of Scottish Song. Edited and arranged by John Greig ... In six volumes, with original coloured illustrations by J. Michael Brown. / [by Greig, John]. [1893]




Looking at the two catalogue records in our Integrated Catalogue the British Library uses the following conventions for dating publications:



G.747. is dated 1893. A date not in parenthesis is a firm date of publication found in the work, for example on the title page.

R.M. 13.e.19. is from the Royal Music Library and dated [1893]. A date in square parenthesis [1893] is a firm date supplied from another source of information, whether ineternal or external such as a publisher's catalogue or advertisement.

Subject: RE: Scots Minstrelsie (1893) by John Greig
From: GUEST,DParker
Date: 26 Feb 19 - 10:35 PM

My husband was just given the full set of 6 books dated 1893. Just wondering about value of these. He is an excellent piper. And I am an avid book hoarder.

Subject: RE: Scots Minstrelsie (1893) by John Greig
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Feb 19 - 01:01 AM

Hi, D. Parker - as far as I can tell, the books are very common and have little value, maybe a hundred dollars for the set - maybe $200 for a set in exceptionally good condition. I have just one volume, and I liked it. Can't find it just now, though.
I checked prices at bookfinder.com - most of the available copies were from UK booksellers.
-Joe-