Subject: Heart of the Appaloosa From: Jon Date: 16 Jul 98 - 08:37 AM Hi, I'm looking for the lyrics and/or composer of an American folk song about Chief Joseph. I remember the song from about ten years ago, but I've been unable to find any info on the song. I recall from my memory, that the chorus went something like this: "Rolling-Thunder-in-the-Mountains lead his people across the Great Divide. There's blood on the snow in the hills of Idaho, but the heart of the Appaloosa never die." |
Subject: RE: Heart of the Appaloosa From: Benjamin Bodhra/nai/ Date: 16 Jul 98 - 09:20 AM Try the archives at |
Subject: RE: Heart of the Appaloosa From: Jon Date: 16 Jul 98 - 11:35 AM I seached for the keyword 'appaloosa' but got no hits. Are the archives different from the database? Do I need special access to it? |
Subject: RE: Heart of the Appaloosa From: Roger Himler Date: 16 Jul 98 - 05:05 PM Jon, I believe this song was written by Fred Small, a modern American songwriter. I believe it was the title cut on a CD (or maybe even tape). I don't have time to dig further right now, but perhaps this will jog another memory. I will check back soon (unless the 'Cat is down for a while) or as soon as I can and see if you have gotten the words. If you haven't I should be able to find them somewhere. Roger in Baltimore |
Subject: RE: Heart of the Appaloosa From: northfolk Date: 16 Jul 98 - 07:15 PM Correct on Fred Small, I would have answered earlier but I had a Small memory lapse, it is available on Cassette from Schoolkidz records in Ann Arbor, MI. I think Fred may be from that area. I have seen it in other record stores, but don't know what label its on. |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE HEART OF THE APPALOOSA (Fred Small)^^ From: Benjamin Bodhra/nai/ Date: 17 Jul 98 - 03:59 AM Now the reason you got no hits was that link did not point anywhere near where it was meant to poit to the leo archives.
But to avoid that again, here's the lyrics:
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Subject: RE: Heart of the Appaloosa From: Jon Date: 17 Jul 98 - 10:05 AM Thank you all for your responses. I've been looking for this for several years on an off, and until I came across this web site, I was at a lose. This is really terrific! Thanks again. Jon |
Subject: RE: Heart of the Appaloosa From: lesblank Date: 17 Jul 98 - 06:09 PM My favorite rendition of the great Fred Small song is on Allan Damron's latest 2-CD set ----"Thirty five Years" and "thirty five Years -- More of not the Same". Look up Allan's website for info on how to obtain. |
Subject: RE: Heart of the Appaloosa From: lesblank Date: 17 Jul 98 - 06:14 PM OOPS! I mispelled his name; but I offer restitution in the form of a URL, to wit: http://www.fmp.com/damron/ Good hunting |
Subject: Appaloosa From: beadie Date: 21 Nov 01 - 12:03 PM A while back, I heard a song on our local PBS station that both celebrated and mourned the Nez Perce incident in the Pacific Northwest. The songwriter had penned a piece he called (I believe) "The Heart of the Appaloosa Never Dies." Anyone here heard this? If there is a copy of the lyric available, I'd be eternally grateful. |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Appaloosa From: Sorcha Date: 21 Nov 01 - 12:10 PM This is an Aileen and Elkin Thomas song. It's on the album Circle of Rhyme. I have it on cassette and will transcribe if nobody beats me. Used to have a lyric sheet for it, but can't find it right now. Off to look for it...... |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Appaloosa From: Marymac90 Date: 21 Nov 01 - 12:21 PM This is another Fred Small song, (we were just talking about Everything Possible yesterday evening) called Heart of the Appaloosa, and a very touching one it is, and quite an epic, too. It does not seem to be in Rise Up Singing. I have the recording at home, and it may have lyrics with it, I don't know. Perhaps Fred has a web site, but I'm not sure. He doesn't tour much anymore, since he's become a Unitarian minister in Concord, MA, I believe, or west of Boston somewhere. Email me at Familywork90@aol.com, if nobody else posts the lyrics or a link. Marymac |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Appaloosa From: Marymac90 Date: 21 Nov 01 - 12:24 PM You may have beaten me up there, Sorcha, and the Thomases may have recorded it, but I guarantee the suthor is Fred Small. (I'M not competitive, or anything... Who, ME?) Marymac ;-) |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Appaloosa From: Sorcha Date: 21 Nov 01 - 12:27 PM AHA! I thought I remembered seeing it here.......see: here! OK, so Elkin didn't write it but he and Aileen sure do a fine job of singing it. |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Appaloosa From: MARINER Date: 21 Nov 01 - 01:43 PM I know this is a bit of a creep, but I first heard the song by Aileen and Elkin Thomas on folk circle.com , which seems to have disappeared. Does anyone know what happened to it?. It was a site with great potential. |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Appaloosa From: beadie Date: 21 Nov 01 - 03:18 PM Thanx to all. |
Subject: RE: Heart of the Appaloosa From: MMario Date: 26 Nov 02 - 11:29 AM Hey Sorcha! got the tadpoles for this by any chance? |
Subject: RE: Heart of the Appaloosa From: Sorcha Date: 26 Nov 02 - 11:49 AM No, but I have it on cassette.......... |
Subject: RE: Heart of the Appaloosa From: GUEST,Q Date: 27 Nov 02 - 01:50 PM Also in thread 32767: Appaloosa and in the DT as song ID 8869, The Heart of the Appaloosa. No midi. |
Subject: RE: Heart of the Appaloosa From: open mike Date: 28 Nov 02 - 02:52 AM there is a place in the home of the Nez Perce called the Palouse hills- hence appaloosa?? it is near the snake river.... several years ago i went on a raod trip/ canoe trip following the lewis and clark and Sacagawea trail and there was a beautiful display at one of the museums in Idaho or Oregon about the nez perce and their horses--we also saw old (1700's) rock carvings of horses on a canyon wall- this brought chills and goose bumps!! |
Subject: RE: Heart of the Appaloosa From: open mike Date: 28 Nov 02 - 02:53 AM speaking of fred small and his songs that feature critters, he has a great one about a love story between a cow and a moose... it celebrates diversity!! |
Subject: RE: Heart of the Appaloosa From: MMario Date: 02 Dec 02 - 01:19 PM Thanks to Naemanson will shortly have midi of this available. |
Subject: RE: Heart of the Appaloosa From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 03 Dec 02 - 07:20 AM Naturally I love Larry the Polar Bear best. I've only managed to get one of his CD's - Heart of the Appaloosa. I'll get more one day. sandra (who makes & collects bears) |
Subject: RE: Heart of the Appaloosa From: Charley Noble Date: 03 Dec 02 - 08:14 AM Fred Small is now a Unitarian Univerasalist minister working in the greater Boston area. Hopefully, he still finds time to sing and write a few more wonderful songs. Lord knows, the times call for more such songs. Charley Noble |
Subject: RE: Heart of the Appaloosa From: GUEST,Walking Eagle Date: 03 Dec 02 - 11:31 PM |
Subject: RE: Heart of the Appaloosa From: GUEST,Walking Eagle Date: 03 Dec 02 - 11:33 PM I thought we were going to be talkin' horses. I once had a Appy and he would do anything you asked of him. Never had any of those famous Ap Attacks. I do like the song though and have printed it out. |
Subject: RE: Heart of the Appaloosa From: Joe_F Date: 05 Dec 02 - 07:10 PM About 1990 I was inspired by this song to read a book, and I wrote a review of that book for a gay sf apa I belonged to at the time. It contains (at least) two mistakes, which are flagged here: Book recently read: _The Horse of the Americas_, by Robert M. Denhardt (2nd ed., Univ. of Oklahoma Press, 1975). Read because in November I bought a record, _The Heart of the Appaloosa_, by Fred Small. (It was remaindered at the Glad Day Bookstore, so I guess he must be gay. [WRONG! -- 2002] There is always _some_ connection. Cute, too.) The title song, which I had heard on the radio some years ago and liked because it had a tune & stuck to the facts, tells the usual sickening story of our encroachment on some Indians in Idaho -- first the missionaries, then the squatters, then the army, displacement, and death. It centered on the natives' horses, which were adapted to hilly country. This reminded me of some questions I had wondered about for many years. One always thinks of Indians as having horses, and so they did during most of the long agony of their intercourse with whites. But horses were extinct in America at the time of Columbus -- recently enough that it may have been men that killed them off, but long enough before that none of the natives had heard of them. How did they get horses -- mostly from the whites, or from each other, or from the wild? What effect did horses have on the native cultures? Did they spread from tribe to tribe by imitation, or by conquest? On what time scale did they spread? Here, under the eyes of literate people, [WRONG! -- 2002] occurred a process that was prehistoric in Eurasia, and that is thought by some to have accompanied the spread of the IndoEuropean languages. Well, did horses alter the linguistic map of America? This book, which I found in the Harvard catalog, barely touches on these questions. It is mostly concerned with the Spaniards who brought the first horses over. However, it is entertaining on that subject, and it has some useful chronology for my purposes, as well as some pertinent references that I will look up. It also has some pictures of Appaloosas; it seems there is an organization of people who fancy them. Whether any humans of that tribe (Palouses) belong, or even exist, is not mentioned. |
Subject: RE: Heart of the Appaloosa From: open mike Date: 05 Dec 02 - 08:44 PM Fred does have a touching song about a gay couple who adopted a little boy who had been abused by his former parents or care takers such that he had a scar or bruise the shape of a boot on his back. I believe the song featured two men who wanted to give the boy a loving home but were not allowed to due to their sexual preference. HE also has a song about disabled access where a person in a wheel chair was forced to ride the freight elevator in order to go to a restaurant. When I heard him in concert i was sitting next to a woman in a wheel chair and we both got tears in our eyes and hugged when that song came on.... |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Heart of the Appaloosa (Fred Small) From: GUEST,Richard Date: 06 Jul 17 - 04:15 PM Covered nicely by Aileen and Elkin Thomas. |
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