BS: Another victim of the PC brigade:-(

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From: Bullfrog Jones
Date: 23 Mar 03 - 05:54 AM

Greg -- BigPinkLad brought up croissants (so to speak) just after your reference to Doug's idee fixe.

BJ

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From: GUEST,Q
Date: 22 Mar 03 - 06:33 PM

Croissants are called hornchen (little horns) in Germany. How did we end up with the French name?

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From: greg stephens
Date: 22 Mar 03 - 06:08 PM

I'm surprised that no-one(unless I've missed it) has discussed croissants yet.

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From: GUEST,Jambo1874
Date: 21 Mar 03 - 06:09 PM

I'm an atheist.

Why do I buy Easter eggs for my son (and for me, hee hee) and send Christmas cards to everyone I know?

Hey, I've no idea, but I'm not going to stop.

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From: Sam L
Date: 21 Mar 03 - 10:11 AM

I hadn't heard of sex on a ritz cracker, and I also found it unhelpful, and had to shake out the bedspread.

I'd heard of SEX appearing subliminally in the cartoon The Lion King, but don't know where it is. Maybe I was distracted by the part where the lioness Nala does that look women get on their face, that look that says Screw me. Sort of a Mona Lisa smile, and the eyes narrow, just slightly. Where do women learn that? From Disney cartoons? If a live actress could do that in a movie I'd vote to give her an oscar.

Political correctness and sensitivity can be quite difficult. We didn't know what to write on a card to a rather ambivilent Jewish friend, and settled on Happy Holidays, Christ-killer! Which was okay, but she wrote back she'd become Episcopalian. So when we thought we were being so sensitive and everything, we sort of put our foot in our mouths.

I don't know, but I suppose people who are firmly commited to the faith are the ones called "Jews". They're Jews. The lapsed, or reformed, or ambivilent ones must be the ones who are Jew-"ish". They're not Jews, they're just Jew-ish.

Another friend, a Jew, went to study in Israel, but had to come back when it got too scarey, and he was sick. Said he thought it was a Zionist infection.

   Another friend of ours who married a psychiatrist wrote us once, and had somehow formed an idea we were godless and hellbound, and she worried about us, and our souls. It was sort of sweet, but we explained that of course we believe in God. We just don't believe in psychiatry.

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From: mooman
Date: 21 Mar 03 - 05:17 AM

Dear Dave,

I tried that following the suggestion but found all the crumbs a little annoying!

(;>)

moo

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Mar 03 - 05:05 AM

Our teacakes here ain't the same as hot cross buns Mr H. They are spicy - hence HOT cross buns! So I guess they may fit trades descriptions as well;-)

And what's all this about having sex 12 times on a Ritz cracker? I'm sure that would banned if people knew about it...

DtG

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From: GUEST,LFF at work
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 07:09 AM

Waddya get when you pour boiling water down a rabbit hole?

Hot cross bunnies!

LFF

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From: Bullfrog Jones
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 07:09 AM

Mr Happy -- not only are 'Hot' Cross Buns cold, they don't cost one a penny or two a penny!

BJ

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From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 06:54 AM

Here, the cause of the Hot Cross Bun has been taken up by the KKK. The icing is made with home brewed 'shine and then set afire. This makes them both "Hot Fiery Cross Buns" and inedible as well. A perfect solution to yet another PC problem.

Spaw

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From: Mr Happy
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 06:42 AM

as an atheist, i'm pleased that the bun market caters for me & offers 'toasted teacakes' in case i might be offended by being forced to consume hot buns bearing religious symbolisms.

teacakes have exactly the same content as do hot cross buns but have a plain finish.

incidently, i also love to eat hot x buns- as i'm not at offended & will gobble them dow with gusto cross 'n all.

i attended a 'diversity day' in work last year- among the 'pc' ludicrous examples were 'personchester'- as above;

personhole!!, isle of person, person o' war,neutralbird, neutral cliffs of dover, chalkboard jungle, mary neutral etc.

any more?


[ps: does the term 'hot cross buns' contravene the trade descriptions act?- they're always sold as 'cold cross buns'!]

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From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 04:37 AM

Yes Sinsull, 'Pancake Day' is Shrove Tuesday (Fat Tuesday/ Mardi Gras) When (traditionally) pancakes are served using up ingredients which will not be part of the diet throughout Lent

Nigel

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From: Gurney
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 04:30 AM

Sorry, late into this promising string.

Why does the poor old pig get the bad press anyway? Just because some religions consider it unclean? It is a bloody sight cleaner, with its lavatory habits, than that other animal considered unclean by the same lot of mindguides, the RABBIT. Yes, the good old Easter Bunny. If you don't know why, I'm not telling you, but it is loosely connected with the route of that other Easter symbol, the EGG.

Here in NZ, the Government is trying to take the religion out of Christmas, and just leave in the buying. And Santa.

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From: Neighmond
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 10:22 PM

God is my Faather, and Jesus my Savior.

I hate to burst some collective bubbles, but MY God doesn't make such piddling little destinctions, about such silly matters!

I think that the people who, for example, see "sex" 12 times on each Ritz Cracker and the people who, for example, see the national motto on our coinage as an attempt to force religion on them are in the same rank-they ought to meet up....be fun to see what their offspring turn up like.
Chaz

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From: SINSULL
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 06:43 PM

I have always disliked hot cross buns (ugh - citron) but love naan. Now for the real issue. Something terrible happened on Pancake Day according to the article and this horrible event precipitated the ban on hot cross buns. anyone have a clue as to what happened. And while you are at it, what is Pancake Day? Fat Tuesday, maybe? Oh Lord, they served sausages didn't they?

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From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 06:10 PM

All a conspiracy by wicked bakers. THEY started it ... first with the matzah in celebration of not having your eldest son killed by god (nice guy) then the croissant in celebration of the defeat of Islam by the Austrians and now the Hot Cross Bun issue as a distraction to the destruction of Iraq. It's all so obvious ...

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From: greg stephens
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 04:46 PM

Doug I do believe you're trying to drag Iraq in again. Tell us what you think about hot cross buns. Or the concept of the idee fixe.

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From: DougR
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 02:21 PM

Amos: seems to me you should look up the definition of unilateral.

DougR

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From: GUEST,Q
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 02:11 PM

French safes and the French disease. German cockroaches.

To protest the US capitol's cafeterias' substitution of Freedom toast and Freedom fries, I made French toast yesterday. Served with plenty of maple syrup and Canadian back bacon. Might have French fries tonight but I prefer baked (not half-baked like Dubya).

The political correctness disease is epidemic in the United States and canada (small c, the mouse in the relationship) and is spreading. Who will lead the war to eradicate it?

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From: Wolfgang
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 01:31 PM

German measles

Wolfgang

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From: Frug
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 01:27 PM

What a wild story.............lets ban the following as well......

Indian Tonic Water
French Toast
Danish Pastries
Black pudding
White Sauce
Irish Stew
Welsh Rarebit
Scotch Pancakes
Swiss Roll
Canada Dry

Et bloody cetera.........

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 01:23 PM

I don't think Jewish vampires would be offended by hot cross buns, Fred. Do you never see Alfie Bass in Polanskis 'Dance of the Vampires'. One of the funniest moments on celuloid when the heroine holds up a cross and he grins 'Oy, have you got the wrong Vampire...'

Cheers

DtG

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From: Amos
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 01:03 PM

I am sure your inability to understand my posts does in fact reflect on doltitude, dear gadfly Guest. As to whose, I am less sure than you.

A

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From: Sam L
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 10:59 AM

Well, there's always somebody to do something stupid, one way or another.
   I think the people most likely to be offended by hot-cross buns are, of course, the vampires, and I'm astounded by the insensitivity of the people here on mudcat who have no respect for the feelings of the undead.
   It's not a liberal or conservative thing--for every hot-cross bun issue there's three our four church-mouse objections to magic in fairy tales, witches on halloween, an idea that Harry Potter is teaching satanism, blah blah blah. And blah. These things probably get so absurdly extreme by the ping-pong of a pissing contest--you object to this? okay then we'll object to that! To call it "liberal" pc bullshit just perpetuates the bullshit pissing game of it.

    In 4rth grade my sister wrote a book report on Bertrand Russell's Why I Am Not A Christian, and was told, in front of the class, that she had nothing to be proud of. Some people hang on to grievances like that for a long time, and will piss back at every opportunity, just for sport. It doesn't come from nowhere. Christian conservatives who think it does are like older siblings who don't remember what jerks they were to their younger siblings--that often they really were, and still may be insensitive, stupid, and cruel.

   But I agree that respect of other cultures and traditions isn't about abandoning and dissing your own--that's just cultural tourism, and seems a rather pornographic way of looking at things. It's easy to be enamored of other fascinating cultures and pretty beliefs that you don't actually have to live with.

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From: greg stephens
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 10:56 AM

Now, how about a ban on hot cross GUESTS?

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From: GUEST
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 10:54 AM

My Dear Amos..your written stuff is imcomprenesibile much of the time. But I am glad you got the "self righteous dolt" part, it does seem to suit you.

Cheers

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From: greg stephens
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 10:31 AM

Well, I regret to say that seasonal customs are a bit of a thing of the past. You can buy hot cross buns there ANY TIME YOU LIKE!!

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From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 10:16 AM

Greg: what's the point of using some secret and highly addictive ingredient, when they usually only sell the things on Good Friday. The whole point of creating an addiction is to get repeat custom!

nigel

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From: greg stephens
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 10:02 AM

In the alley opposite the post office in Newcatle-under-Lyme, Staffs, there is a little bakers (semi-organic, old-fashioned rather than alternative) that does the best hot-cross buns I've ever had. They have some secret and highly addictive ingredient, I don't know what it is but it certainly hits the spot.

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From: Kim C
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 09:54 AM

I don't think I've ever had a hot cross bun. I think I need to make it my mission now to get some.

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From: greg stephens
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 06:26 AM

Well, the thing is, I dont think Muslims are upset. This ban is being imposed by non-Muslim people peddling the suggestion that Muslims would be upset, which fits in with their own agenda. 90% of bans are imposed by people whose hobby is banning things, which often involve nice things like hot cross buns.

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From: Dave Bryant
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 05:50 AM

Why should a Muslim be upset by a Christian celebrating the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ - one of the prophets of his own religion. I would have thought that a Jew would have much more reason to feel threatened considering the implication in the Gospel of St. Matthew that his people murdered Christ.

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From: Amos
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 10:14 PM

Gareth:

Y'know, you make an excellent point. Tyranny is an ugly beast in human lives and it should be combated where it raises its ugly head.

I do not believe that unilateral waging of war is the best way to that, however.

A

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From: Mark Clark
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 07:24 PM

Well here in the U.S. the people of St. Croix and Corpus Christi have a lot to answer for. We'll be coming to get them soon. <grin>

      - Mark

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From: greg stephens
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 06:47 PM

I had not appreciated, when I was writing about the rather provocative church just up the road, the fact that my address is Croft Crescent. Or indeed, that Stoke apparently means"holy place", though that is quite non-denominational, and hopefully uncontroversial/.

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From: Gareth
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 06:40 PM

A thought

Are those PC nutcases who would rename Manchester Personchester, (and yes they do exist) the same who think that a war to remove a tyrant in Iraq is an example of Yankee Imperialism ???

Gareth

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From: Deda
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 05:43 PM

Unfortunately, there are narrowminded zealots on BOTH ends of the religion/non-religion spectrum.

Yeah, but not on MY end of the bench, there ain't. Because I'm the only one here! All the narrow-minded zealots are elsewhere. Sundays, Alternate Wednesdays, and Always.

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From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 05:26 PM

Ah no, Amos. I think Guest is amiable, well informed,helpful, polite and humble. As well as ascerbic, vicious, nutso and do-not-meet-him-in-a-dark-alley dangerous. I just don't understand why -or how- he changes so radically...

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From: Amos
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 04:28 PM

Im witchoo, Jerry. Live gets easier the more we put our emphasis on our common affinities rather than our divisive opinions and differences. I would have told him he'd better steer clear, as there are no guarantees! :>)

BTW, Guest, thanks for the characterization of "self-righteous dolt" a while back up-thread. I appreciate it -- knowing that it isn't always easy to spit out one's critical thoughts, especially in public and all. And I think there is entirely too much of a grain of truth in it, as well. So I am going to see what I can do to address that. Hope I'm smart enough to... In exchange, let me offer you the parallel thought that you are occasional much more acerbic -- not to say hypercritical -- than you need to be, which leads me to guess that you are probably much more insecure than you deserve. Let me know if this helps.


A

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From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 04:21 PM

I had someone call and say that if the word Jesus was used during the Folk Festival that I ran, he would leave. He tried to get a guarantee out of me, which of course I couldn't give, as we had a gospel group and a gospel workshop. He came anyway, ready to explode and the first song on the Saturday night concert was a gospel song that used that five letter word. By then, he'd had a good enough time that I guess he realized that he would only hurt himself by leaving.

Surely, life should be easier than this?

Jerry

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 04:16 PM

Sorry if this appears twice - my last posting seems to have fallen in a cyber mud-hole:-)

How about having the new interdenominational bun made at a musical venue - The house of the rising bun!

I did go on to say I will keep taking the tablets but I guess I shouldn't due to the connotation with Moses bringing the tablets from the mountain causing offence to the save the mountain campaign;-)

Cheers

DtG

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From: GUEST,Q
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 03:54 PM

All for banning Hot Cross buns- the usual ones in the stores are horrible- until I saw Bullfrog Jones' recipe. Sounds good! Don't like the bitter so will leave out the peel. Might substitute some cut up dried apricots.

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From: Bill D
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 03:08 PM

nope, Amos...neither the sanctimonious nor their opposite number, whatever the word is for them, have anything better to do....laissez faire seems to have dropped out of style. "Peaceful co-existence" is not an option, for some.....

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From: Amos
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 02:41 PM

Not to mention Charing X!! You guys must get straightened out! And while we're at it, let's rename that blues about going down to the X-roads. ANd let's nothear about anyone getting their wires confused, either!! It's too suggestive!!

Oy, vey -- such whingers!! Ain't they got noffink better to do?



A

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From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 02:17 PM

On the PC issue
Has anyone suggested renaming Mornington Crescent yet?

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From: Kim C
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 02:14 PM

I think it's great that some churches open their doors for community functions.

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From: greg stephens
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 02:12 PM

Bill D...a lot of gigs in here in England happen in Catholic Social Clubs, which tend to involve performing in front of a massive cross on the wall ( at the other end from the bar). And being a Catholic Club, the cross often has a largely brightly painted man hanging on it. This provides a rich subject for stand-up comedians(Catholic and non-Catholic) performimg at the clubs. An often used line is"I hear the last manager here was caught with his hand in the till.Look what they did to him!"

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From: Bill D
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 02:04 PM

20 minutes ago I read this thread in amazement, and mentioned it to my wife. Then I let her have the PC (no pun intended..yet..) to do some work related to out folk society. 10 minutes ago, she informed me that the society had recieved a serious complaint that the recent Gordon Bok concert had been held in a church, and that soomeone was offended and made uncomfortable because there was a cross visable behind the performer!

Since it is VERY difficult to find affordable venues that do NOT involve churches, I am not sure what they would have us do?

Perhaps it would be even more interesting if the churches should institute a policy that required every concert attendee to swear at the door that they were 'believers'.

I am totally appalled this sort of thin-skinned nonsense. I am a non-religious person, but I am sure that I can sit quietly in ANY church without anything rubbing off on me that I don't wish, just as I can shake hands with someone of another race without being 'contaminated'.

I am sure that this complaintant will be politely told that it must be left up to him to decide where he can tolerate listening to music, but the mindset scares me.

Unfortunately, there are narrowminded zealots on BOTH ends of the religion/non-religion spectrum.

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From: Kim C
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 01:12 PM

Ruction?

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From: Amos
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 12:49 PM

Well, it WAS tongue in cheek. The cafeteria manager is within her rights to decide which buns to serve when. Those who want to subscribe to mystic voodoo symbols as a sort of sympathetic magic routine, or cultural pain-killer, of course are free to do so, but sometimes a bun is just a bin, nothing more.

Burmese latkis, on the other hand, are properly made with the crushed leaves of the bodhi tree, preferably the original tree itself, and thus are not just innocent elective symbols -- they might have some SMF (spiritually modified food) in them which could conceivably bring about the wrong kind of enlightenment in innocent children!!

As concerned parents it is out duty to raise a ruction about this risk, holler and moan in letters to editors and possibly picket the schools themselves for slipping these SMFs into our children. What if they picked up some nasty foreign philosophy from eating them?




A