BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command

Subject: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: harpgirl
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 07:43 PM

I'm always interested in who people really are behind their public personas. I saw a news clip of Bush addressing troops here in Flori-DUH today. He almost broke down. Why, I asked myself?

Is he truly distraught over the effects of war on humanity? Is he ashamed of himself for being a corporate puppet? If he feels so bad about the effects of war on humanity, and the many deaths already incurred in this war, why did he support it?

I was left with the impression that he had doubts. hg

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: GUEST,amergin
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 07:46 PM

I think he realised he was out of coke....

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 07:50 PM

That "correspondence" course in acting is satrting to pay off. Hey, this is the same heathen that went before the Christain Right before the campaign and said he was a Christain? But that was really purdy smart on his part becuase then he deflected all those qiestions about his past.

"I once was lost, but now I'm found..."

Hey, it worked.

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 07:52 PM

The pretzel strikes again?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 07:54 PM

Good one, McGrath. Get the Bandaids...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: wysiwyg
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 09:10 PM

He was moved to tears because of the positive things said leading up to introducing him.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 09:15 PM

maybe his hamster had just died?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: SINSULL
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 09:27 PM

Worse. It hung itself on a chad.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: GUEST,Dreaded Guest
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 10:12 PM

His old man helped pioneer modern American brainwashing techniques at the CIA. I think GW is brainwashed. Seriously. McVeigh was brainwashed and received visits from his 'doctor' (the man who developed MKUltra for the CIA) up until the day he died. McVeigh thought he was going to take a nap on that gurney. GW is nuttier than Reagan running around the White House acting out those old B-westerns.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 10:19 PM

If there is one person that deserves our best thoughts and prayers it would be Laura Bush. I'm sure she has figured out by now that not only has her husband hooked up with a bunch of crooks but that he is also, ahhh, nuts...

Yeah, as a Follower of Christ, I know she must be living in Hell right here on earth. But like waht can she do?" Nothing. That's why you don't see her anymore.

Are there any Catters out there that truely believe that the world can survive this *cryin' shame* autocrat?

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: GUEST,Dreaded Guest
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 10:37 PM

You know, Bobert, 'the Pretzel' thing might be on-target. I get the feeling not even preppie GW could be so self-absorbed that the thought of touching off WW3 for the re-arisen Reich wouldn't cause him SOME remorse.

Lately he's looked hungover all the time, so I don't doubt he's boozing again, but what's a boy to do? Daddy says blow up the world for Lucifer or 'The Pretzel' will kick your ass again, so GW reads from the teleprompter by day and drinks by night. And yeah, I bet Laura didn't sign on for the pact with the devil. I think she's as bad as any political spouse out there, but this is going a bit far.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: Troll
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 10:38 PM

Bobert, as a "Follower of Christ" you sure are quick to find fault.
Wasn't the exhortation to " love one another as I have loved you."? It doesn't appear to me that you don't have a whole lot of love for anybody except those who agree with you politically.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: Amos
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 11:32 PM

Well, its possible that there is some notion of Satanic influence involved, Troll. That places it somewhat outside the pale, or at least on the margin. It is always a mistake to over-simplify something as subtle as Christianity!

A

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: DougR
Date: 27 Mar 03 - 01:33 AM

Strange. I saw the speech, and I saw absolutely no signs of Bush "nearly crying" during it. Perhaps, sorefingers, you were tuned to an Iraqi TV station instead of CNN.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: Nerd
Date: 27 Mar 03 - 02:30 AM

Yeah, DougR, because CNN and most other American news shows get most of their war news directly from the army and most of their political news directly from the administration. So if Bush had nearly cried, we would never see it on our TVs. Similarly, my friend in India tells me that images of the civilians US strikes are slaughtering are all over the news there, while we hear of "surgical strikes" and see half bombed out buildings with a voiceover telling us that the people we were trying to hit were in the precise half of the building that was destroyed.

What passes for evidence on our news shows is such a joke these days. It's kind of like Powell showing us a fuzzy picture of a trailer house and telling us it proves Iraq is making nuclear weapons at mobile factories in the desert. "Oh, well now that I saw the actual trailer, I guess it must be true! Puh-Leez!

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Mar 03 - 08:23 AM

Hating George Bush won't help matters. He's been maneuvered into an awful position by his handlers. I don't think he realized fully what he was getting into by any means. I think he's in way over his head. If you can summon up the heart to do it (and if you believe in prayer...) send positive thoughts to George Bush now and in the days ahead, that he find solutions that will hurt as few more people as possible and that will end the fighting, and that will respect international law and end this war.

He needs your help, not your hatred. I'm not kidding.

And I am very, very opposed to his administration's policy and the war, but that doesn't change what I just said by one iota.

(And if you don't believe in anything spiritual...I know some of you don't...well then, fine, just do something positive that YOU think will help. Fine with me. There's room for all understandings in this world, as far as I'm concerned, and there are many different ways to climb a mountain, though none may be easy.)

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Mar 03 - 08:45 AM

Troll:

Jesus went way beyond "peace and love" and unconditional forgiveness when it came to folks in power. I have quoted many verses here that support this postion. Being a Follower of Christ is not the same as being a doormat for those with power. If you would like Bibical verses from the *New Testament* that show Jesus's mistrust of the autocrats, PM me and I'll be glad to furnish you with them.

Peace

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: Beccy
Date: 27 Mar 03 - 10:03 AM

LOL, DougR

Beccy

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: Kim C
Date: 27 Mar 03 - 10:05 AM

Why are y'all so convinced that there isn't one single shred of humanity in the President? How would you feel if you were in his position? I wouldn't want to be there, making life-and-death decisions on behalf of other people. For most of us the biggest decision we make in a day is, what's for lunch?

Your meanness isn't helping anything.

Several years ago, the tapes that Lyndon Johnson made of his phone conversations were released to the public. One of the news shows did a special on it. There were several conversations in which he made plain that he really DID NOT WANT to send any troops to Vietnam. It was an extremely difficult decision for him.

So many years I have heard "well it was Johnson's fault about Vietnam." Then I heard his own words in a private phone conversation. He didn't want to do it.

Doubtless there is a lot going on behind the scenes that none of us will ever know.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Mar 03 - 10:57 AM

Personally, I wish we had a leader who spoke on these terms as the President of Jamaica has done when calling for a cease-fire:

"Our position also comes from a concern about the implications for the future of the multilateral system and for the realisation of ideals of collective security under the Charter, the rule of law and our collective search to achieve a higher destiny for man," he said.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: *daylia*
Date: 27 Mar 03 - 11:44 AM

Shoot, I thought the thread title read "Bush nearly fries at Central Command". For a second, there was a glimmer of hope!

Oops, that was 'negative', wasn't it. Back to the drawing board ... shame on me!!

;)    daylia

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: DougR
Date: 27 Mar 03 - 02:34 PM

Daylia: naughty, naughty!

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: Raedwulf
Date: 27 Mar 03 - 02:44 PM

GW is nuttier than Reagan running around the White House acting out those old B-westerns.

And this comes from Nut Central. Hello DG, nice to see you've acquired an identifiable moniker. Come visit Planet Earth sometime. I've still not been nuked/bombed/shot/gang-raped/herded-into-a-concentration-camp/arrested-by-the-authorities yet. It could happen, of course, but then so could GWB displaying a glimmer of intelligence. I rate the latter marginally more likely, if you're interested...

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: Beccy
Date: 27 Mar 03 - 02:49 PM

daylia- I thought you were opposed to violence in every situation...

Beccy

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: SINSULL
Date: 27 Mar 03 - 05:41 PM

Laura Bush was just on TV with George this past weekend. Didn't speak but she was with him on camera.

Our news is being censored "out of respect for the families of those wounded, dead, or captured." Has nothing to do with the change in public sentiment when Bush's supporters have had enough of mutilated soldiers and children with their TV Dinners. Remember the effect of those scenes of a Viet Namese man being shot in the head for deserting and the little girl running in flames during a napalm attack?

Unfortunately, the internet exists and the scenes available to the rest of the world are making it into American homes.

I am disgusted by the notion that I will be taxed into the next millennium to pay for this atrocity but am being "protected from" the obscene reality of it. And I am not buying the "family" excuse. Bush's war will not be over in 30 days. we will be lucky if it is really over in 30 months. Meantime, he knows that we do not have the stomach for a long drawn out slaughter of our children. He is trying to postpone the inevitable backlash. The Iraqis know it too and will prolong the battle as long as possible. Time is the US' greatest enemy and Saddam's only hope. What a mess!

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: harpgirl
Date: 27 Mar 03 - 07:31 PM

...Dougie, you need to get your prescription changed on your glasses. It's no wonder you didn't see the broadcast of Bush nearly breaking down. Springhopper started this thread not "sorefingers." hahahaha...

I watched the broadcast a second time and he broke up when he said, " am proud to be commander in chief of these military forces", upon praising the brave soldiers. I have tried not to be mean, Kim and I do agree with LH that Bush needs all the spiritual support he can get and that he is in over his head. But I still think he didn't do what was in his true heart...

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Mar 03 - 08:18 PM

SINSULL:

Well said.

I think the plan for this war to end justoin time for the next which will end just in time for...

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the US will have to occupy all these fallen foes and will be vulnerable to attacks in each of them so it will have to amintain a sufficient military force in each FF (Fallen Foe) and the US taxpayers, which by then will just be the working class will be fighting Boss Hog's wars, paying for Boss Hog's wars, cleaning upm afetr Boss Hog's wars and in a decade or so the American working class will be no better off than those in sweat shops in any Third World country.

Far-fetched?

Look at the shrinking resources available to the working class today over two years ago!

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Mar 03 - 08:39 PM

Beccy - Don't be silly! Try busting into Daylia's house and smashing up her keyboard... :-)

I defy you to find anyone whatsoever who is against violence "in every situation", Jesus included. Remember the moneylenders in the temple?

You can usually find apparent contradictions in anyone's talk if you quote from every word they've ever said...but that doesn't prove anything but that they are human, and it's one of the things that makes humans more interesting than robots. We are not so predictable as machines. Well, most of us aren't... :-)

And I'm sure you know all that...I'm just funning around a bit.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Mar 03 - 08:43 PM

The other day Diane Sawyer (I know, Dratted Guest. Be quiet.) was in an army hospital in Kuwait. She asked the director whether they had lost any wounded. He hesitated, then said, 'Well, I can't really say. Well. You know, you can't save them all...'

Now I do realize that in wartime a country always puts a positive spin on casualties but under 50 killed so far seems grossly underreported.

As for the bush drinking again, did anyone else note the rumpled state of his clothes when he walked across the lawn the other morning to board the helicopter enroute to Camp David? Perhaps his appearance is way down the list of what's important to him these days- or perhaps he slept in them. Sure looked like it. Now, that is just plain gossip- and I posted it for that purpose. meeeooowwww

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Mar 03 - 10:01 PM

LH, I got kicked out of "confirmation" class for asking about the moneylenders and the dates out of season, lol.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: *daylia*
Date: 28 Mar 03 - 08:55 AM

Ah Sorcha, you're not alone - I've been excommunicated a couple times already in this lifetime, livewire that I am ...

No Beccy, I'm not opposed to violence in every situation, as LH said. For everything, there is a season. Shoulda seen me the night a obnoxious drunken guest refused to leave and started threatening my kids before the cops had time to get there. Later, he told everyone the cops beat him up that night, to explain the odd marks on his face and noggin. I did manage to keep him out of their bedroom, although he threw me across the room and nearly broke my arm in the process.

I was consumed with guilt for awhile - I'd never tried to punch anyone's lights out before - but the priest just laughed me out of the confessional! ;) And man, it was good to see the cops that night for a change!

As I've said before, self-defence is my right and my responsibility. And you know how Mama Bear can be with her cubs ...

Peace -   daylia

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: GUEST,Mars
Date: 28 Mar 03 - 09:57 AM

Didn't Jesus say we are only obligated to forgive our brother 49 times?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: *daylia*
Date: 28 Mar 03 - 10:12 AM

He did? Well, maybe He meant 49 times a minute? Beginning when the children are safe of course ...

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Mar 03 - 11:07 AM

490 (70 x 7). I think. Now that I think about it, I think I've forgotten.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Mar 03 - 06:09 PM

Knocking over a few tables and shooshing the livestock and traders off the premises with a itty-bitty whip made out of a few cords isn't what I'd call vilence.

Knowing when to allow yourself to get choked up in public is part of the repertoire of a poltician in a media-obsessed age. It's not even exactly insincere, but it's part of the job. A bit like the way actors do the emotion at Oscar ceremonies. Ease off on the controls and let the right amount come out in public.

I suspect Al Gore's big problem was he wasn't too good at doing that.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 28 Mar 03 - 07:29 PM

Isn't Jesus supposed to have said "Blessed are the meek"? What the hell was that about?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Mar 03 - 08:18 PM

"Meek" is an English word, with a whole load of associations which have built up around it. The Gospels weren't written in English, though there are some people who seem to think they were.

I think the Aramaic word translated as "meek" in some versions, anah, is closer to "humble" or "gentle" in meaning.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush nearly cries at Central Command
From: gnu
Date: 28 Mar 03 - 09:12 PM

When the lads enter the Moncton Coliseum on parade every November 11, I tear up. When I see Flanders, I tear up. When I see executed unarmed soldiers, I tear up. Why shouldn't he ?