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Subject: BS: More Bushisms From: katlaughing Date: 27 Mar 03 - 11:17 AM During a news conference, today, the shrub told the reporters he would only accept one question per question. Ya think? Duh! |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: MMario Date: 27 Mar 03 - 11:19 AM actually makes sense - as frequently in those press conferences the "question" is actually composed of five or six questions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Teribus Date: 27 Mar 03 - 11:26 AM Perfectly correct MMario. |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Bagpuss Date: 27 Mar 03 - 11:36 AM He may not make so many out and out gaffes, but if you want to hear a polititian *really* murdering the English language, you have to listen to John "Two Jags" Prescott. Prescott in his own words |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: gnu Date: 28 Mar 03 - 07:26 AM And the first guy to ask a question asked two, even after Bush shook his head and said no. Stunned AND impolite. |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Nerd Date: 28 Mar 03 - 03:10 PM of course the real reason he's afraid to answer more than one question per person is that normally his answers are vacuous. Thus the reporter usually has to say "but you din't answer my question; what I was asking was..." By limiting it to "one question per question," Bush ensures that whatever meaningless drivel he spouts must be accepted by the reporter as an answer to the question, even if it's not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Mr Red Date: 08 Apr 03 - 02:18 PM Today Dubya said "Remember what I said about Saddam with his grip around the throats of the Iraqi people? Well I don't know if he has let go all 10 fingers yet but............." It must have been a digital recording. |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Bill D Date: 08 Apr 03 - 07:42 PM I see John Prescott is from Hull9..perhaps there is a moral there? (that collection of Prescott's quotes is totally amazing) |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Dave Bryant Date: 09 Apr 03 - 04:54 AM John9 should offer to write Prescott's speeches for him - mind you, perhaps he already does ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 09 Apr 03 - 05:08 AM Bush appears to employ like-minded souls. From today's Guardian: So where exactly in Northern Ireland is this summit going to be, asked the White House press corps last Friday. "Dublin," replied Ari Fleischer, press secretary to the US president. |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Barry Finn Date: 09 Apr 03 - 11:15 PM Did you expect more Kat from a man with an IQ of 98 (average is 100) & a working vocab of 9,000 words (average is 15,000). Why the man thinks Texas is South America. It's no wonder he's trying to get close to Venezuela, he has no awareness of who, what & where of his neighbors. Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: GUEST,NH Dave Date: 09 Apr 03 - 11:51 PM Barry, that just proves what I've always suspected of fighter pilots . . . or graduated from Ivy League colleges. Dave |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: katlaughing Date: 10 Apr 03 - 12:51 AM I know, Barry, I shoulda *knowed* better, eh? That Prescott is something, too...hypothecating??!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: DougR Date: 10 Apr 03 - 12:58 AM Ah that all of us were as perfect as some Mudcat posters! What a wonderful world it would be! :>) DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Amos Date: 15 Apr 03 - 10:12 AM "Perhaps one way will be, if we use military force, in the post-Saddam Iraq the U.N. will definitely need to have a role. And that way it can begin to get its legs, legs of responsibility back."—the Azores, Portugal, March 16, 2003 "I know there's a lot of young ladies who are growing up wondering whether or not they can be champs. And they see the championship teams from USC and University of Portland here, girls who worked hard to get to where they are, and they're wondering about the example they're setting. What is life choices about?"—Washington, D.C., Feb. 24, 2003 This is a deeply philosophical person...for a simian born. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Amos Date: 19 Jun 03 - 10:37 AM This man has the public coherence of a brain-damaged orangutang -- no disrespect inetended, of course. Consider this collection of Bushisms far and near. "I'm also not very analytical. You know I don't spend a lot of time thinking about myself, about why I do things."—Aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003. How come no-one suggested he change this? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Billy the Bus Date: 19 Jun 03 - 11:37 AM Amos, Go wash your mouth with Grandma's lysol - WE ARE INSULTED!!!! OOO - vis - Outraged Orangutang Organisation |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Don Firth Date: 19 Jun 03 - 03:01 PM This just in! Bush, unable to speak without careful guidance, is being coached by Dan Quayle! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Frankham Date: 19 Jun 03 - 06:33 PM It's becoming clear that Bush has to answer one question at a time. This is not a time for penetrating analysis but by soundbyte platitudes to appeal to the lowest common denominator of demogoguery and jingoism. It's the kind of propaganda approach that is redolent of the great dictators of the world. Keep it simple so that the "dumb masses" can understand it. It worked for Rush. Frank Hamilton |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: LadyJean Date: 20 Jun 03 - 12:01 AM George W. Bush is a son of a bitch. He may be an inarticulate son of a bitch, but he is not a dumb son of a bitch. I appologize to all dogs and their friends, for calling Bush a son of a bitch. But I couldn't think of a better perjorative. |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Amos Date: 16 Aug 03 - 02:54 PM The dark side of all this is summarized in the following report. From a friend: On June 21, 2003 we were invited by a friend and neighbor to attend a celebration "... to honor those who have served in our country's aremed [sic] services" at the Good Shepherd Community Church in Sandy, Oregon. I was somewhat apprehensive about it but I viewed it as an opportunity to observe the blending of religion and patriotism in my community. The church choir and orchestra sang and played several patriotic songs with religious overtones . . . God bless America, America, etc. A color guard marched down the aisle and presented the colors. Then several members of the church who were veterans (and could still fit into their old uniforms) came in with their children and grandchildren and a small American flag was exchanged . . . a symbolic passing of the torch from one generation to another. After that, music from each of the armed forces was played and those of us who were veterans were asked to stand and be recognized as the music from our branch of service was played. A connection was made between the church, the flag, and the members of the church and community who were veterans. How can you not support good old Larry, the town's veterinarian for all those years? Pretty much as I had expected. Then the pastor stood up and introduced a Major General William G. Boykin. General Boykin, his uniform laden with medals and honors, began speaking. Boykin has a slight southern drawl and an obvious sense of humor, both of which makes him an effective speaker. He modestly told us a bit of his background. Grenada; Panama; Somalia; the first Persian gulf war; Purple Heart; Bronze Star; Combat Infantryman's Badge . . . medals down to his waist. A professional soldier . . . the kind of person you'd hire to run an army. He is currently the commanding general of the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center at Ft. Bragg, NC. That makes him the commander of all the Army special forces worldwide. Boykin showed us a few slides from the recent war in Afghanistan, made a joke about sending some of the prisoners on a "Caribbean vacation," a reference to the U.S. prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. A bit crude and possibly offensive to some, but still nothing out of the ordinary. General Boykin then showed a picture of Osama bin Laden and commented "This is not our enemy." Another slide of Saddam and again "This is not our enemy." Kim Jung Il was also described as "not our enemy." My curiosity piqued, I began speculating who our enemy really was. General Boykin explained that "our real enemy is Satan." OK, now we were getting into the realm of out-of-the-ordinary . . . at least for me. I don't remember much of what else he said for a while because I was a bit stunned about our "real enemy." The next time I tuned in he was saying "George Bush was not elected by a majority of the voters in the United States." That seemed to be a bit out of character . . . I was surprised. I thought he was going to acknowledge the dubious nature of Bush's election. But what he actually said not only surprised but outraged and frightened the hell out of me. Major General William G. Boykin's next words were, " . . . he was appointed by God." Now, I have known for some time that George W. Bush thinks he has some special dispensation from God . . . at least I knew that on an intellectual level. But as the reality of that hit me, I began to know on a more visceral level that not only does Bush think he's God's gift to the world, but so does his staff. Here is a two-star general saying in public and in uniform that George W. Bush was "appointed by God." Now, I can understand religion being a large part of someone's life. I can understand that personal philosophical beliefs can affect one's daily life. But here is a high-level general in the Army professing to the world that George W. Bush was appointed by God! For the first time in a long time, I became afraid of my own government. I'm still scared. Type "William G. Boykin" into your favorite web search engine and read more. It should scare the bejeesus (pun intended) out of you. Major General Boykin has been recommended by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to become a Lt. General . . . a promotion from a two-star general to a three-star general. He will become a major player in the U.S. Department of Defense. All in all, it was a brilliant program . . . the connection was made from support of church-members and local community veterans to support of the current administration's foreign policy to support of George W. Bush as God's representative. The message I came away with was if I want to stay on God's good side, I'd better vote for George the Second in the next presidential election. As the saying goes . . . "God help us." ------ End of Forwarded Message A |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: harvey andrews Date: 16 Aug 03 - 07:47 PM Amos...you're really frightening me. "And now it's come to this, It's come to this, And wasn't it a strange way down" Seems it's down all the way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Amos Date: 16 Aug 03 - 08:03 PM Citizens of the World: Please unite in helping us acheive Civilization in the United States. It was not September, 2001 that marked the date from which this nation needed the support and gyuidance of its fellow natyions in the world, because it was staggering. It was, in fact, the prior November. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Amos Date: 16 Aug 03 - 08:29 PM Background investigative report on the Bush campaign in FLorida and subsequent manipulation of the vote. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Don Firth Date: 16 Aug 03 - 09:01 PM I am not a millennialist fundamentalist Christian by any means, but I can appreciated certain metaphorical parallels. If anyone tries to tell me that George W. Bush was "appointed by God," I would refer them to the following web site:— 666Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Alice Date: 16 Aug 03 - 09:34 PM Amos, your experience confirms what I have been hearing and seeing about W Bush for quite some time. He is actually a cult leader. A person who thinks he is appointed by God, convinces others of that, and creates a "group think" following of "us vs.them", good versus evil, the end justifies the means, control of information, all fit into the totalistic pattern of a dangerous cult. Robert J. Lifton was one of the first to study the effects of thought reform on POW's of the Korean War. His research led to a better understanding of totalistic groups and the undue influence they use to manipulate and control thought. North Korea today continues to be a cult society; the use of thought reform can be found not only in religious cults, but also political cults, personality cults. Any ideology and be twisted into a totalistic group. Alice PS. See J. Lifton's Criteria of thought reform and the psychology of totalism: Dr. Robert J. Lifton's Criteria for Thought Reform THOUGHT REFORM AND THE PSYCHOLOGY OF TOTALISM CHAPTER 22 (Chapel Hill, 1989) THE FUTURE OF IMMORTALITY CHAPTER 15 (New York 1987) Any ideology -- that is, any set of emotionally-charged convictions about man and his relationship to the natural or supernatural world -- may be carried by its adherents in a totalistic direction. But this is most likely to occur with those ideologies which are most sweeping in their content and most ambitious or messianic in their claim, whether a religious or political organization. And where totalism exists, a religion, or a political movement becomes little more than an exclusive cult. Here you will find a set of criteria, eight psychological themes against which any environment may be judged. In combination, they create an atmosphere which may temporarily energize or exhilarate, but which at the same time pose the gravest of human threats. (a brief outline) MILIEU CONTROL The most basic feature is the control of human communication within an environment If the control is extremely intense, it becomes internalized control -- an attempt to manage an individual's inner communication Control over all a person sees, hears, reads, writes (information control) creates conflicts in respect to individual autonomy Groups express this in several ways: Group process, isolation from other people, psychological pressure, geographical distance or unavailable transportation, sometimes physical pressure Often a sequence of events, such as seminars, lectures, group encounters, which become increasingly intense and increasingly isolated, making it extremely difficult-- both physically and psychologically--for one to leave Sets up a sense of antagonism with the outside world; it's "us against them" Closely connected to the process of individual change (of personality) MYSTICAL MANIPULATION (Planned spontaneity) Extensive personal manipulation Seeks to promote specific patterns of behavior and emotion in such a way that it appears to have arisen spontaneously from within the environment, while it actually has been orchestrated Totalist leaders claim to be agents chosen by God, history, or some supernatural force, to carry out the mystical imperative The "principles" (God-centered or otherwise) can be put forcibly and claimed exclusively, so that the cult and its beliefs become the only true path to salvation (or enlightenment) The individual then develops the psychology of the pawn, and participates actively in the manipulation of others The leader who becomes the center of the mystical manipulation (or the person in whose name it is done) can be sometimes more real than an abstract god and therefore attractive to cult members Legitimizes the deception used to recruit new members and/or raise funds, and the deception used on the "outside world" THE DEMAND FOR PURITY The world becomes sharply divided into the pure and the impure, the absolutely good (the group/ideology) and the absolutely evil (everything outside the group) One must continually change or conform to the group "norm" Tendencies towards guilt and shame are used as emotional levers for the group's controlling and manipulative influences Once a person has experienced the totalist polarization of good/evil (black/white thinking), he has great difficulty in regaining a more balanced inner sensitivity to the complexities of human morality The radical separation of pure/impure is both within the environment (the group) and the individual Ties in with the process of confession -- one must confess when one is not conforming CONFESSION Cultic confession is carried beyond its ordinary religious, legal and therapeutic expressions to the point of becoming a cult in itself Sessions in which one confesses to one's sin are accompanied by patterns of criticism and self-criticism, generally transpiring within small groups with an active and dynamic thrust toward personal change Is an act of symbolic self-surrender Makes it virtually impossible to attain a reasonable balance between worth and humility A person confessing to various sins of pre-cultic existence can both believe in those sins and be covering over other ideas and feelings that s/he is either unaware of or reluctant to discuss Often a person will confess to lesser sins while holding on to other secrets (often criticisms/questions/doubts about the group/leaders that may cause them not to advance to a leadership position) "The more I accuse myself, the more I have a right to judge you" SACRED SCIENCE The totalist milieu maintains an aura of sacredness around its basic doctrine or ideology, holding it as an ultimate moral vision for the ordering of human existence Questioning or criticizing those basic assumptions is prohibited A reverence is demanded for the ideology/doctrine, the originators of the ideology/doctrine, and the present bearers of the ideology/doctrine Offers considerable security to young people because it greatly simplifies the world and answers a contemporary need to combine a sacred set of dogmatic principles with a claim to a science embodying the truth about human behavior and human psychology LOADING THE LANGUAGE The language of the totalist environment is characterized by the thought-terminating cliché (thought-stoppers) Repetitiously centered on all-encompassing jargon "The language of non-thought" Words are given new meanings -- the outside world does not use the words or phrases in the same way -- it becomes a "group" word or phrase DOCTRINE OVER PERSON Every issue in one's life can be reduced to a single set of principles that have an inner coherence to the point that one can claim the experience of truth and feel it The pattern of doctrine over person occurs when there is a conflict between what one feels oneself experiencing and what the doctrine or ideology says one should experience If one questions the beliefs of the group or the leaders of the group, one is made to feel that there is something inherently wrong with them to even question -- it is always "turned around" on them and the questioner/criticizer is questioned rather than the questions answered directly The underlying assumption is that doctrine/ideology is ultimately more valid, true and real than any aspect of actual human character or human experience and one must subject one's experience to that "truth" The experience of contradiction can be immediately associated with guilt One is made to feel that doubts are reflections of one's own evil When doubt arises, conflicts become intense DISPENSING OF EXISTENCE Since the group has an absolute or totalist vision of truth, those who are not in the group are bound up in evil, are not enlightened, are not saved, and do not have the right to exist "Being verses nothingness" Impediments to legitimate being must be pushed away or destroyed One outside the group may always receive their right of existence by joining the group Fear manipulation -- if one leaves this group, one leaves God or loses their transformation, or something bad will happen to them The group is the "elite", outsiders are "of the world", "evil", "unenlightened", etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Bill D Date: 16 Aug 03 - 11:31 PM Bush is beginning to resemble Pat Robertson, Patrick Buchanan, and Newt Gingrich...all smooshed together and endowed with Dan Quale's vocabulary.....or maybe some other combination I can't dredge up right now. ...from General Boykin: "Bin Laden is not the enemy. No mortal is the enemy. It's the enemy you can't see. It's a war against the forces of darkness. The battle won't be won with guns. It will be won on our knees." I am reminded of the phrase, uttered in a different time & place, "Gott ist mit uns." |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: momnopp Date: 17 Aug 03 - 12:44 AM For a link to a frightening/funny stream of absurdity from "the Chief" check out this thread Button seen last weekend at a folk gathering: "Is It Fascism Yet?" And if you need some Bushisms to decorate YOUR world, try THIS Too bad this bumper sticker isn't available any more: "Re-Elect Gore in '04" Peace, JudyO |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: GUEST,Casual Observer Date: 17 Aug 03 - 01:21 AM Does anyone remember the great TV character, Columbo? He let on like he was a dumb bumbling detective, and he was anything but. Don't be so sure W is so stupid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Amos Date: 17 Aug 03 - 02:15 PM All the MP3s at this site are worth a listen -- John McCutcheon has a real flair!! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: DougR Date: 17 Aug 03 - 06:54 PM Guest Casual Observer: musn't try to disillusion the non-believers. :>) DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Amos Date: 18 Aug 03 - 11:17 AM George W. Bush: In my sentences I go where no man has gone before. |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: LadyJean Date: 18 Aug 03 - 08:54 PM I have a learning disability. I am not unintelligent. But I have condsiderable trouble doing ordinary things, like spelling, and punctuating. (I also have some trouble unlocking doors and dialing telephones, but never mind.) I deal with people who think I'm retarded. W's brother, Neil is dyslexic. G.W. may have a milder form of the same disability. Which does not mean he is unintelligent. It means he doesn't speak well. I don't know what makes him such a mean son of a bitch. I suffered a good deal of abuse because of my disability, and vowed to be compassionate. Bush must have decided if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Amos Date: 18 Aug 03 - 10:13 PM Cocaine will do that to a person. So will being brought up in excess in some cases. Never having to buckle down and produce an honest result can have a similar effect. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar Date: 19 Aug 03 - 10:05 AM ...from General Boykin: "Bin Laden is not the enemy. No mortal is the enemy. It's the enemy you can't see. It's a war against the forces of darkness. The battle won't be won with guns. It will be won on our knees." So Monica's divine mission could yet be to save the free world? |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Don Firth Date: 19 Aug 03 - 01:38 PM Well . . . I think if the president were to spend more time engaged in that activity and less time in making war and screwing the economy, the whole world would be better off. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Amos Date: 19 Aug 03 - 11:53 PM You mean praying, Don? Or giving head? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Don Firth Date: 20 Aug 03 - 12:08 PM Amos, maybe a little genuine prayer (asking for guidance from someone other than Karl Rove or Paul Wolfowitz) might be a good idea for Georgie to try, but actually I was thinking, "Where the heck is Monica when the nation needs her?" Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Reiver 2 Date: 20 Aug 03 - 07:47 PM For those of you interested in "Bushisms" I recommend going to: http://home.twcny.rr.com/felicity/bushisms.htm Wierd address, but lots of good stuff here, including a picture gallery and songs. I also recommend the book, THE BUSH DYSLEXICON: OBSERVATIONS ON A NATIONAL DISORDER, by Mark Crispin Miller, W. W. Norton & Co., 2001. If anyone is interested in MY views about the worst president in the history of the U.S., I invite you to check out my blog site: http://news-opinion.blog-city.com Happy reading. Reiver 2 |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 23 Sep 03 - 09:43 PM Years ago in Quensland, we had Premier Joh, a peanut farmer who set up a pioneering scrub clearing business. If you want to hear real class you should look up his classic utterances. He used to publicly refer to Press meetings as "feeding the chooks" Robin |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: LadyJean Date: 24 Sep 03 - 12:42 AM THE ONLY THING BILL CLINTON EVER LIED ABOUT WAS HIS SEX LIFE! MOST MEN LIE ABOUT THAT! |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Amos Date: 30 Sep 03 - 12:48 PM "We've got hundreds of sites to exploit, looking for the chemical and biological weapons that we know Saddam Hussein had prior to our entrance into Iraq."—Santa Clara, Calif., May 2, 2003 (Thanks to Michael Shively.) "I think war is a dangerous place."—Washington, D.C., May 7, 2003 "I don't bring God into my life to—to, you know, kind of be a political person."—Interview with Tom Brokaw aboard Air Force One, April 24, 2003 "You're free. And freedom is beautiful. And, you know, it'll take time to restore chaos and order—order out of chaos. But we will."—Washington, D.C., April 13, 2003 "Perhaps one way will be, if we use military force, in the post-Saddam Iraq the U.N. will definitely need to have a role. And that way it can begin to get its legs, legs of responsibility back."—the Azores, Portugal, March 16, 2003 |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Chief Chaos Date: 30 Sep 03 - 01:15 PM Frankham - Sorry to correct you but its not Dumb Masses, its DumAsses, at least that's the way the Administration briefing book has it. LOL! |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: GUEST,Axis of Truth Date: 30 Sep 03 - 01:24 PM Don't cross the "honest man" Clinton: 1) Susan Coleman: said to have had an affair with Clinton before he became President. Told friends she was expecting his child and was 7 months pregnant when she found dead with a gunshot wound to the head. Verdict, suicide. 2)Larry Guerrin: killed while investigating the INSLAW case. In brief this involved the US Justice Department using stolen software, modifying it for intelligence purposes and then selling it to foreign governments and making millions in the process. 3) Kevin Ives and Don Henry: two 16 year old boys who may have stumbled across drug running operations involving Clinton at Mena airfield in Arkansas in 1987.Initial reports, by State Medical Examiner Fahmy Malak, suggested that the boys had fallen asleep on the railway line and been crushed. However when the parents kicked up a fuss another forensic report showed Kevin's skull had been crushed prior to being placed on the track whilst Don had been stabbed in the back. 4) Keith Coney said he had information on Ives and Henry deaths. Died in a high-speed motorcycle crash in 1989,said to have involved a car chase. 5) Keith McKaskle, said to have information on the Ives and Henry deaths. Stabbed to death in November 1988. 6) Gregory Collins, once again said to have information on the Ives and Henry deaths and once again killed, this time by a gunshot wound to the face. 7) Jeff Rhodes was also said to have information on the deaths of Ives and Henry.He was found on a waste heap in April 1989 with a gunshot wound to the head. 8) James Milam also had information on the Ives and Henry deaths but before he could talk too widely he was found decapitated. Once again the State Medical Examiner, Fahmy Malak, ruled the death due to natural causes. 9) Richard Winters, a suspect in the Ives and Henry case had offered to cooperate and give evidence. However he died in a 'robbery', which was subsequently proved to have been a set-up. 10) Jordan Kettleson was also said to have information on the Ives and Henry deaths. He was found shot dead in his pick-up in June 1990. 11) Danny Casalaro, a journalist investigating Mena airstrip, the Arkansas coke trade and INSLAW. Had warned his family that he had learnt too much and not to believe it was suicide if he turned up dead. Shortly thereafter he was found in a bathtub in the Sheraton Hotel in Martinsburg, West Virginia. Both his wrists had been slashed, one ten times, all his research material was missing and has never been recovered 12) Victor Raiser, the National Co-Chair for the "Clinton for President" campaign, died in an airplane crash in July, 1992. 13) R Montgomery Raiser also worked on the Clinton campaign and died in the same crash. 14) Ian Spiro, said to have supporting documentation for grand jury proceedings in the INSLAW case. His wife and three children were found murdered in their home in November 1992.All had gunshot wounds to the head. Ian's body later was found in a car in the Borrego Desert. FBI reports concluded that he had shot his family and then committed suicide by taking cyanide. 15) Paula Grober, Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf. Killed in car smash with no other cars involved and no witnesses. She is said to have been very attractive and traveled extensively with Clinton prior to her death in December 1992. All the above died prior to Clinton's inauguration in January 1993.In its aftermath the deaths not only continued but became even more numerous. 16) Steve Willis, Robert Williams, Todd McKeahan and Conway LeBleu were the only four BAFT men killed at Waco.In an autopsy performed by a "private Doctor" all four were found to have near identical "execution style" head wounds. All four had previously been bodyguards for Clinton prior to their deaths in April 1993. 17) Sgt. Brian Haney, Sgt.Tim Sabel, Maj. William Barkley and Capt. Scott Reynolds. Once again all four men had been bodyguards for Clinton prior to their deaths in a helicopter crash near Quantico, Va. Reporters were barred from the scene whilst firefighters responding to the crash had their video tapes seized and a fire cheif described a scene where, "security was tight" with "lots of marines with guns." 18) Paul Wilcher was found dead shortly after presenting Attorney General Janet Reno with a report on Waco, death ruled to "unknown causes." See extracts from the report in this issue. 19) White House deputy counsel Vincent Foster was said to have been preparing a potentially damming report on Waco at the time of his death. As reported in the previous issue he had been deeply disturbed by events at Waco and his death, in July 1993, was officially labeled a "suicide.". 20) Stanley Heard and Steven Dickson were members of Clinton's Health Advisory Committee. Both died in an air crash in September 1993. 21) Jerry Luther Parks, Chief of Security at Clinton's national campaign headquarters in Little Rock. He was shot through the rear window of his car, the killer then went to the driver's side of Park's car and pumped three more 9mm bullets into him. His family reported that shortly before his death their home had been broken into, despite a top line security system. Park's had been preparing a dossier on Clinton's activities, the dossier was stolen. 22) Ed Willey, a Clinton fundraiser, was found shot dead in November 1993.Once again the death was ruled suicide. His wife Kathleen, who was working as a White House volunteer at the time, claimed that Clinton sexually assaulted her when she had approached him, distraught over the loss of her husband. Indeed allegations of sexual assault and even rape go back a long way with Clinton.As far back as 1969 in fact when Clinton was still a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford University. A retired State Department employee said he believed a young English woman who claimed she had been raped by Clinton. "There was no doubt in my mind that this young woman had suffered severe emotional trauma," he said. "But we were under tremendous pressure to aviod the embarrassment of having a Rhodes Scholar charged with rape. I filed a report with my superiors and that was the last I heard of it." She is not the only woman who has accused Clinton of rape. Early in 1999 Juanita Broaddrick, an Arkansas woman who worked on Clinton's campaign when he was attorney general in 1978, told NBC that he had raped her.Claiming pressure from the White House NBC shelved the report. Then we have the case of Elizabeth Ward, a former Miss Arkansas who claimed that Clinton had forced himself on her shortly after she won the State crown. In 1999 she told an interviewer that she did have sex with him but that it was consensual; she later recanted saying that she had been threatened by Clinton supporters into claiming the sex was consensual. And still the killings go on... 23) Dr Roland Rogers a Dentist from Arkansas. Died on his way to the Sunday Telegraph in London to reveal "sensitive" information about Clinton in March 1994 24) Kathy Furguson, a 38-year-old hospital worker whose ex-husband was a co-defendant in the Paula Jones case. She died in May 1994, from a gunshot wound to the head, ruled suicide; curiously next to the body were several packed suitcases, as if she was getting ready to go somewhere. 25) Bill Shelton was Kathy's boyfriend and an Arkansas police officer. He was found on her grave the following month with a gunshot wound to the back of the head. Judged to be "suicide". 26) Alan G Whither, oversaw Clinton's Secret Service detail. He was transferred to a field office in Oklahoma City in October 1994.Whatever warning was given to the other BAFT agents in the building (none of whom came to work that day) failed to reach him, he died on April 19 1995 in the infamous Oklahoma City bomb blast. Incidentally the families of the victims of the blast are now preparing to sue the U.S. Government, saying it had prior knowledge of the bombing. 27) Ron Brown, Commerce Secretary died along with 35 other people on April 3,1996, in an air crash involving Airforce 2. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated and had spoken publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecuters. According to one report he allegedly told Clinton, "he was not going down alone." However his death brought that possibility to an abrupt end. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the back of Brown's head that resembled a gunshot wound. And we are not counting the other 35 people who died in the same crash. 28) Shelly Kelly, an Air Force stewardess was onboard the same flight, at the back of the plane, and suffered only minor cuts and bruises in the crash. Indeed she was able to board a rescue helicopter without assistance. She died later died in hospital, supposedly from a loss of blood. According to journalist Joe L Jordan, an autopsy revealed a three inch cut over her main femoral artery which was sustained over three hours after all her other cuts and bruises. Thereafter Clinton ordered the bodies of all the victims cremated. 29) Barbara Wise, a Commerce Department employee. She was found dead in her locked office, partially nude and covered in bruises, following a long weekend. Officially she is said to have died of natural causes. 30) Christine M Mirzayan, Clinton intern killed on August 1 1998.In the publicity prior to the Paula Jones law suit Newsweek revealed that "a former White House staffer" with the initial "M" was about to go public with a story about sexual harassment at the White House. Thereafter Christine was found beaten to death with a heavy object near Georgetown University, Washington. 31) Mary Mahoon was another former White House intern who was about to go public with a story of sexual harassment at the White House. Before she could though some unknown characters entered a Washington Starbuck's, where she was working, and shot her dead. Her two assistants', Aaron Goodrich, 18 and Emory Evans were taken to a room along with Mary and pumped full of bullets. Mary was shot in the chest, face and back of the head, probably with silencers as nobody in the densely populated area heard anything. Even though the killers left $4000 in the cashbox untouched, the police categorized the killings as a robbery whilst acknowledging its "execution style". As reported in the previous issue of the Seeker four members of Delta Force have recently died in training "accidents". They were Lt Col Anthony A. Boyles and Sgt Eric Ellingson, killed in river "training accidents." Master Sgt Gaetano Cutino, killed while "exiting" from a helicopter. And Sgt Jamey Dimase killed while participating in marksmanship training. These were the men who had actually gone into the Branch Davidian compound at Waco and carried out the killings of 86 men, women and children. These men were hardened professional killers, yet even they had been disturbed by what they had been ordered to do and actually done. So much so that given immunity from prosecution they had been prepared to come forward and testify. Although Paul Wilcher does not name them in his report these were the very individuals whose testimony could have demolished Clinton's Presidency. The Wilcher Report was buried along with Paul Wilcher and for a while things went on as before, in other words the killings went on and on. Then in 1999 the Wilcher Report resurfaced, when Attorney General Janet Reno was told she expressed "total anger". According to unnamed eyewitnesses quoted in the Drudge Report: "Her face was flushed, she was clearly shaken." In the following months the four Delta Force men all died in "training accidents": to quote Paul Wilcher, "to silence their testimony forever." Gennifer Flowers was a bit smarter. She had a 12 year affair with Clinton, in its aftermath her apartment was broken into and ransacked and she and her mother received threatening phone calls. Realising that she was in danger she assumed a higher profile, launched legal proceedings against Clinton and embarked on a series of media appearances. Smart girl, it was probably this that saved her life, had she not done so she too would have been on this list. Finally it should be noted that this is only a partial list, for a more comprehensive picture we would refer you to some of the sources listed below. Sources include: www.genniferflowers.com Daniel Harris and Teresa Hampton,Capitol Hill Blue Ambrose Pritchard-Evans writing in The Telegraph and the Sunday Telegraph. www.Sudden Instant death Syndrome |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Ebbie Date: 30 Sep 03 - 05:13 PM Axis of Perpetuation of Lies: If you're interested in the truth, check out Snopes (www.snopes.com) on this one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Mr Red Date: 16 Oct 03 - 02:42 PM Bushism? "What we need is a stronger death sentence" - Bush senior - so it's genetic!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Amos Date: 16 Oct 03 - 03:16 PM The list presented by the soi-disant Axis of Truth is a boondoggle and a bamboozle of irresponsible communication. Here is an essay about it from Snopes.com which at least tries to be thorough and factual and check its sources. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: Don Firth Date: 17 Oct 03 - 01:42 PM Axis of Twit. Judging by the length and the cut-and-paste nature of the post, I suspect our old conspiracy theorist, Dreaded Guest, is back with a new sobriquet. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: More Bushisms From: LadyJean Date: 18 Oct 03 - 12:00 AM Bill Clinton screwed Gennifer Flowers and Monica Lewinsky. George W. Bush is screwing all of us! |
