BS: How does one change a surname?

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: Gurney
Date: 15 Apr 03 - 06:21 AM

My late aunt went to school with twins called Trump, Elsie May and Harry Will. Grounds for Patricide.

If the language has changed, then and there 'trump' meant 'to pass wind.'

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: fogie
Date: 15 Apr 03 - 05:37 AM

One of my old aquaintances now decd. married a man called Payne. She must have been in love- her Christian names were Constance Mona ! True

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: Mr Red
Date: 14 Apr 03 - 06:41 AM

Er don't go for anything starting with P or C, G, K, Q, T or X
and B, Y & M are none too clever either.

My mother contemplated this years ago - she married a second time which was a big mistake and while the courts argued if an anullment or divorce was appropriate she found you can have any alias you wish as long as you do not defraud anyone by so doing. Once you use an alias for social security purposes the fraud rule is in play, and how do you get a new NI number except by opting to go through official channels?

Anyway Ms Lemon, you have already changed from Mrs Lemon, is this an annual event or a changeable feast? Melon is an anagram of lemon, and they are juicy too!

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 09:28 AM

Hmmm... Sally, Lucy, Ann Vee = S.L.A.Vee ... Oh dear! It's not easy is it.

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 11 Apr 03 - 12:55 PM

Hmmm...thank you Sir. I'll bare it in mind. Still toying with the name Sally Vee.

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: Trevor
Date: 11 Apr 03 - 11:35 AM

S.Lime, R.Soul! Loses something when you have to explain dunnit?

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 11 Apr 03 - 11:16 AM

Trev: I've read that thru' at all angels and I don't get it... der!

Sal

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Apr 03 - 09:09 AM

Sorry kat, but Sally Babylon sounds like a hooker...........

Why not go root hog or die on the whole thing and become Geraldine Jablonski but pronounce it as Jane Doe? That would certainly be different.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: The Walrus
Date: 11 Apr 03 - 07:39 AM

Kim C,

"...And Caudell? Ha. It's only got 7 letters but people manage to screw that up too..."

My surname is May, three letters, how difficult is that?
I've had Mae, Maye, Mey, Mayes, Made/Maid (I can't remember which), Maine, Mayo (where tht one came from, I don't know), Hay, Hayes.

Regards

Walrus

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?- An aside,
From: The Walrus
Date: 11 Apr 03 - 07:32 AM

Re- Deolali,

The big problem with Deolali camp was that there was a 'trooping season'.
Before the Great War, if a soldier became 'time expired' while serving overseas (that is, East of Suez), he was retained with the colours for an additional year (see: 'Old Soldier Sahib' by Frank Richards), at the end of that period, he was posted to a holding camp, (in this case Deolali), awaiting transport home for final discharge at his home depot, the extra time being deducted from his reserve obligation.
If the date of the soldier's discharge from service 'with the colours' fell a week after the end of the trooping season and if the Regiment was einefficient, slow at processing the paperwork, or if someone just 'slipped up' - or if the swaddie in question was a trouble maker - it was possible for a man to wait almost six months at Deolali.

Walrus

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: Trevor
Date: 11 Apr 03 - 06:33 AM

You can't call yourself Sally Lime. How would that look on a name card with just your initial and surname? I used to work with somebody called Rosemary Soul - she had the same problem.

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Apr 03 - 06:32 PM

Here's a whole thread on How to pronounce Colin

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 10 Apr 03 - 04:53 PM

More thread wander. Colin generally pronounced Coal-in here in western Canada. The way a Scots friend of mine also pronounces it. Cawlin often heard in the States, but dunno which is the more common pronunciation.
There has been a thread on this one before.

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: Grab
Date: 10 Apr 03 - 04:35 PM

Wierd, kat. I remember hearing that about his name, but I'm damned if I can put a source to it now (and Google isn't telling ;-) so I guess I'm probably peddling some urban legend. Ho hum.

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 10 Apr 03 - 02:36 PM

Why not a good old-fashioned name like Sally Goodin?

Hole in the pie, hole in the puddin',
Hole in the gal they call Sally Goodin.
(And other verses in Randolph, "Roll Me in Your Arms")

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Apr 03 - 02:05 PM

Oh, I love it...Sally Babylon!!!

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: open mike
Date: 10 Apr 03 - 01:58 PM

acetylsalicylic acid is from the origin of the ingredient..
willow bark was used in ancient tomes for fever and headache
Salix is the name for the Genus of willow tree.
the weeping willow is Salix Babylonica

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 10 Apr 03 - 08:42 AM

*#8-) v.g.

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: Micca
Date: 10 Apr 03 - 06:17 AM

How about Sally Citron Vee? you could then sign your self Sally C. Vee

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 10 Apr 03 - 06:08 AM

Woo Hoo ... wow, have I enjoyed reading and looking at these. Do you think Sally Rand's name was used to describe feeling 'Randy'? I know it's a boy's (?) name in the States, but over here...!!!

I'm thinking about Sally Vee at the moment.

Sal

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: Gurney
Date: 10 Apr 03 - 05:34 AM

All those fruits...

If my name was Sally Lemon (which Heaven forfend, I'm not that gender) I'd just spell it Lemman.
Does that ring your bell? Lemman/lemane is old English for lover/dear beloved person/mistress.

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: GUEST,Ely
Date: 09 Apr 03 - 10:50 PM

My mother's maiden name was Salmon (yes, just like the fish).

My brother's name is Carl, and his girlfriend's name is Karlsson--her family (who are, obviously, Scandinavian) think he should take her name if they marry.

My first name is "Alethea" (Ah LEH thee ah), which doesn't go well with most last names, so I guess if I ever do get married I'll have to be choosy ;).

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: Kim C
Date: 09 Apr 03 - 01:41 PM

SRS, which southerners do you mean? Here in Nashville the hyphenated last name is pretty common.

My maiden name was Feathers. (no I am not making this up) You would think that everyone knows how to spell "feathers" but trust me, they don't. And Caudell? Ha. It's only got 7 letters but people manage to screw that up too.

I think I'd like to be one of those one-name people. "Athena" has a nice ring to it. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: Micca
Date: 09 Apr 03 - 01:28 PM

Dave, as I understand it new arrivals were usually dispersed to their Units pretty quickly and not held at Deolali, but there was a large Military Hospital there that had a mental Hospital attached, as you rightly pointed out. However the sitting with not much to do while waiting to get home was reckoned to be very wearing on the patience of the ordinary soldier, Like being in a Prison camp.

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 09 Apr 03 - 10:08 AM

I always thought that the main reason for many soldiers going crazy at Deolali was that it was also the holding camp for many new recruits who were not aclimatised to India and were therefore likely to suffer from sun and heat stroke. There was also a sanitorium there, where serving soldiers who had mental problems were sent.

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Apr 03 - 10:07 AM

But, Graham, most Americans I know, pronounce it differently than Powell. I've had a few years experience with it, since my son, Colin (Caw-lin) is just turning 33!**bg**

So, Sally....any decision, yet?

Howsabout SouixCity Sal? Instead of Sue?**bg**

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: HuwG
Date: 09 Apr 03 - 08:35 AM

How about Sally Cyclic-Acid ?



That's "aspirin" .

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: Grab
Date: 09 Apr 03 - 08:08 AM

Easiest one I can think of would be "Vows". Or you could change it to "Vowels" so that the pronunciation is clear, but that would look a bit silly ("... and her boyfriend Jack Consonant..." ;-)

Or you could just accept that people will mispronounce it, and think of your name pronounced as "Vohls" instead of "Vowels". "Coh-lin" Powell is an obvious example of that, since his name was pronounced with a short "o" until his family moved to the US and found that Americans say the name "Colin" differently.

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: Micca
Date: 09 Apr 03 - 06:44 AM

has no one suggested Sally Citron?

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Apr 03 - 12:39 AM

Well, me, too, SRS! I only found out about her, today, when I found that link.

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 10:57 PM

Yes, you can use any name you please without the necesssity of a legal name change, but if you are going to do business under that name (ie if people are going to make checks out to your "stage name") you need to fill out a "fictitious name" or "dba" (short for "doing business as") declaration at your bank. Otherwise, you can't deposit or cash the checks.

Businesses do it all the time. Many businesses in the U.S. are doing business under a name different from their legal name, particularly in cases where a business has changed hands but the new owners want to keep the old name.

Bruce

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 09:42 PM

I don't know beyond her photos--it's way before my time!

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: Snuffy
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 08:04 PM

Not Sally Free And Easy, then? :-)))))

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: InOBU
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 07:55 PM

Sally Penflagnon Heffnernsnoggle ... and however anyone prounouces it back at you, repete it... good luck, cheers Larry

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 07:49 PM

You're welcome! Wasn't she pretty?! Quite saucy, too, it's looks!

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 07:47 PM

Sally Rand with her bubble dance was a very popular performer in Fort Worth at the old Casa Mañana. Thanks for the link!

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 05:58 PM

Nobody's suggested Sally N. De Allee....

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: Tig
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 04:42 PM

I changed my surname before I had FC by statutory declaration signed by a solicitor. You can get a sample one from the Citizens Advice
Bureau.

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: GUEST,Guest ET
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 03:14 PM

Well, the best way to find out if you like a name, I am told, is to go out and yell it to the back "forty" as if you're calling someone in to supper. The story goes that the new mother was going to call her son "Deuteronomy" until so advised by her wise mother-in-law. So after tongue-twisting at the back door, she ended up calling him "Jimmy".

You know you're still going to have to spell it some times. But how about the obvious - Sally "Free"? Uplifting but simple - and if you are paying attention, it makes you smile every time you say it.

Elaine

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: gnomad
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 03:01 PM

With the lemon connection might you be Sally Vating?

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 12:40 PM

Glad you like some of them, Sally! Here's that cartoon: Sally Forth.

A few more:

Sally Somanna
Sally Fontaine
Sally Ford (just drop the Stam)
Sally Deare/Deere
Sally Cameron (unless you have highlander in your ancestry:-)
Sally McKee
Sally McGrew
Sally McTavish (I really like that one!)
Sally Slayer :-)
Sally Spence
Sally Pence (just brainstorming here!)
Sally Quincy
Sally Oldham
Sally Starr (look out Ringo!)
Sally Port (did someone already say that?Haha!)
Sally Marlowe
Sally Merlot (**bg**)
Sally Sultana
Sally Rand You've got to see this!!
Sally Benbow
Sally Debeque
Sally Duchesne (over here we pronounce it dew-shane)
Sally Dubois
Sally Langtry

That ought a keep you going for a bit! Haha!

Spaw, I thought I was just Spiffy Kat now? When did I get LaFreedom??**BG**

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: Micca
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 12:30 PM

there is of course Sally Willow as in (Salix)
Avoid the Du Lally as proposed by "bystander", it derives from the large holding camp at Deolali near Bombay where "time served " soldiers waited (sometimes for many months) until a troopship with space to bring them home arrived and as they had no duties above the basic routine they were very bored and ocasionally went crazy, this was called "Deolali tap" which was "folk processed" into a synonym for crazy in Blighty

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 11:56 AM

Bill D:Now that made me laugh.

Kat: I actually like some of those!

Rick: I quite like Sally Lime

Catspaw: Well she's Du Lally Sally,
Hangin' out in the alley,
And she'll dally with your lolly... #>8-D

Snuffy: All of those are good...I heard someone say on Kids TV this morning 'May the 4th be with you'...Sally Forth.

Steve suggested Sally Brown, as in some shanty songs. #8-D

Rick: Please feel at ease calling me Sally.Your name is fine, why change that.

My surname is Vowles (pronouncing the 'ow' as in ouch!)I have to spell it out all the time when ording things on the phone etc. People mispronounce it because it's too close to 'bowles', they find it embarassing. It is my married name and I'm in the process of getting divorced so I have a choice. I do feel changing it might be disloyal to my children tho', well, my boy anyway. My maiden name was Stamford, but that was always being mis-spelled. Keep dishing 'em out, there might be a free lemonade for the one who comes up with a winner!

Sal

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 11:51 AM

Sally Mellow is nice!

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 11:22 AM

one way is to simply go through lists of people you admire, living OR dead, and find one that 'fits' you. Practice writing it, think of all the nickmanes it could generate...and begin...

Man in court: "Judge, I'm tired of my name...I want to change it."
Judge" So, waht is your name?"
Man in court: "Harold T. VonBlooperstein
Judge: "Well, I can ceratainly see your problem. What would you like to change it to?"
Man in court: " Ralph T. VonBlooperstein"

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 11:20 AM

US law and , I think, British as well, allows a person to call themself whatever they please, as long as it's not used to violate the law. Of course, official agencies refuse to co-operate.

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 10:41 AM

Gee kat, another name change? Didn't you just become Kat LaFreedom?

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 10:31 AM

Sally Andro
Sally d'Angelo
Sally Forth (there's a cartoon by that name over here..good woman role model!)

Sally d'Addario
Sally Mellow (I know someone with that last name!)
Sally Savada

Sally von Bingen
Sally Tolpuddle **bg** just trying to figure out a quaint UK place name to use!

What are some favourite places? Might use one of them, i.e. Sally Yorkshire, Darby Sally, Sally Derry..hmmmm maybe I should become Kat Colorado!?**BG**

Have fun!

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 10:31 AM

Of course you could try other fruit or veg, if the problem is that you feel the lemon sounds a bit sharp - Sally Aubergine has a good ring to it, maybe.

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 10:28 AM

Carrot Top? (This page plays a noisy greeting.)

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: GUEST,Bagpuss
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 10:16 AM

We have a Jasper Carrott (real name Bob/Robert Davies). But its debatable whether he is a comedian...

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 10:09 AM

Hi Sally...Oops, I mean Mrs. Lemon (I don't know you well enough to be that informal!!)

Back in the ancient days of history, I thought very seriously of changing my name. Somehow "Richard Fielding" just sounded like some dull Barrister or accountant, and no matter how many variations I used with the first name (Dick, Rich, Rick, Ricky, even Eric) it still sucked. Someone suggested I go with "Dickie Fielding," but it struck me that with that monicker, I'd need a wooden dummy along with the guitar

"IT's Dickie Fielding and his little buddy "Woodie"!

I considered (honestly) "Kent St.Clair", but I'm not gay so I dropped that one quickly. I loved and played a lot of blues, so I thought about nicknames like "Papa", "Ramblin", and "Hard Luck". No way though. "Papa" sounds like you're braggin' about your sexual prowess, and I was a little too average for that......."Ramblin" implies you do a lot of hitch-hikin' and sleeping rough, but I've been driving a car since the age of 16, so that seemed a bit pretentious. Now "Hard Luck" Fielding would have been all right, except that eventually people would have discovered that my parents sent me to a Private (in Britain, 'public') school for 'discipline' reasons, and that I've never missed a meal in my life!

Nope.....always figured that folks like Gordon Lightfoot, Patsy Cline, and Dolly Parton just got lucky with their names.

How 'bout considering OTHER fruits and vegetables?

Sally Avocado

Sally Lime (sounds spy-like!)

Sally Carrot (don't you folks have a comedian named "carrot"?)

Cheers, and have fun

Rick

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 10:02 AM

A coworker of mine recently changed his name (he and his brother both changed their last names from Schnitzius to Stone). It was a matter of simplification, and I think they took their papers to a judge and had them signed. I don't know how much it cost. For a few years I hyphenated my husband's (now ex) name onto mine, but it was an exercise in frustration when southerners saw the hyphen. They dropped my last name, turning it into a middle initial, and used his and tacked on a Mrs. This Ms had to revert back to her own name. Since it was always my name, I just reclaimed it. Took my birth certificate to the Social Security office, and once the new card was in hand (very easy and quick) I proceeded to the driver's licence office. With those two cards the rest was easy.

At the divorce was another opportunity, and I nearly accidentally dropped my middle name, which I don't use because I'm not particularly fond of it. If I had signed the papers without it that would have been my legal name sans the middle name. I heard my mother's voice saying to "keep the name," so I signed it on those papers. And the attorney and the judge each took a handful of pages and we scribbled it in on all of the occasions where it needed to appear.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: Snuffy
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 09:25 AM

Ooops. Of course I mean Ms.

WassaiL! V

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: Snuffy
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 09:23 AM

Sally Forth?
Sally Nation?
Sally Vating?
Sally Ahmé?
Sally Dressing?
Sally Goround-Themoon?
Sally Port?
Sally Gardens?

Or are you planning to become Mrs Grapefruit, MrsTangerine, Mrs Lime, Mrs Satsuma, etc?

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: Beccy
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 09:05 AM

Over here stateside, you can function with a name different than your legal one as long as you use your legal name on important documents. It's a bit confusing, but it's less of a commitment to a new surname than going through the legal rigamarole (Think Martin (Estevez) Sheen...)
I must say that it was pretty easy to adopt my husband's surname when we married. So I suppose it's not too involved when you're doing it for the heck of it.

Beccy

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: GUEST,Bagpuss
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 09:00 AM

According to this Deed poll website :

"Any citizen of the United Kingdom aged 16 years and over can change their name to any name they choose simply by using their new name. This is known as changing your name by usage. With few exceptions, you can have whatever name you choose so long as you are not changing your name for fraudulent purposes or to avoid an obligation. Furthermore, there are no restrictions on how often you can change your name.

However, if you change your name by usage, you will encounter difficulties when trying to get certain documents and records changed since government departments such as the Passport Office, Inland Revenue and DVLA - and many companies and organisations - will ask you for "documentary evidence" that you have changed your name. Documentary evidence is a term used to describe a document that will be accepted to effect a change of name. Such documents are:

Marriage certificate (allows a women to change her surname to that of her husband).
Decree absolute certificate (usually allows a divorcee to revert to her maiden name).
Death certificate (allows a widow to revert to her maiden name).
Adoption order (allows an adopted child to change his/her surname to the adopted family's surname).
To change your name for any other reason than above, you need a document that provides evidence that you have changed your name. A Deed Poll is such a document and it will ensure that you get all your documents and records changed to show your new name without any problems or delays."

You can also do it by "statutory declaration" but as this involves lawyers, it will probably cost you more than the £39 it costs to do it by deed poll (on the site above - I dont know if that is a standard cost or if it varies.

Enough of the boring info - did you hear about the bloke who changed his name to "Yorkshire Bank plc are Fascist Bastards" - and when he closed his account with them, they had to make out the cheque to him in that name!

Bagpuss

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 08:57 AM

I think it goes something like .... you can call yourself whatever you like for most purposes, but for certain legal documents you have to use your real name. But it used to be only about 25 quid to change your name by deedpole (not sure if thats one word or two).
How the devil you ever settle on a name to change to though.......

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: kendall
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 08:44 AM

There is a dentist here whose name is Peter Swallow. No way would I put up with that

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 08:29 AM

Well she's Du Lally Sally
Hangin' out in the alley
And she'll dally with your lolly
For a buck or two.
Du Lally Sally don't keep no tally
She'll do you twice
And your buddy too.

Sorry......I dunno' what the procedure is in the UK, but in the states it's a petition for name change that goes before a probate judge for approval. Afterwards you must change other records as well including Social Security and the like.

Ya' gotta' really hate your name to do it I guess and I've rarely seen the point. Personally, I went to school with a girl who should have changed her name and never did......Sharon Peters.....sounds like a bathroom game.......

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: GUEST,Bystander
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 08:20 AM

I must warn Sally that the word 'Du-Lally' or it's longer version, 'Du-Lally-Tat' is old cockney rhyming slang used to describe someone who was a few pence short of a shilling!

Subject: BS: How does one change a surname?
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 08:03 AM

Just as a matter of interest, if one does not like their surname and would like to change it how does one go about doing so?

I suggested to members of the Bothy Song Club the other night that they might like to suggest another name for me. My name is Sally and someone came up with 'Du Lalle' (with an accent above the 'e' but I don't know how to do that!)

Any more suggestions?

Sal