BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article

Subject: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 01:57 PM

Hmmm....perhaps a bit controversial, but no where NEAR as controversial as back in the late sixtes when I was wearing my "Wolf-head" button, which said something like "I NEED my coat, you don't".

The Toronto Star's Kelly Toughill has written a very readable six or seven part article on the Newfoundland seal hunt. Needles to say, I've read MANY similar articles, but they ALWAYS have a pretty obvious agenda. This one doesn't....Or perhaps it's ME that no longer has the agenda.

There have been a number of letters to the Editor, and not surprisingly, the vehemently anti-sealers, are saying that it's the Government's job to re-train these Ocean-based folk. I dunno, but if ANYONE told me I'd have to give up music for (say) accounting, or gynecology.....and they'd train me for it.....well they'd have a fight on their hands....and maybe one to the death.

And a 'fight to the death' is what these Newfoundland Whalers are going through now.

What I learned about myself was that as long as I ate steak, lamb, goat (Jamaican food!), chicken, and porky pig, I had no right to protest the killing of "Cute" animals.

There's still quite a bit of hypocrisy on my part, because I identify wealthy people in furs, as people who'd probably dislike me the moment I opened my mouth, and I stay away from them.

What I'm REALLY interested in is...does this issue break down around "Liberal-conservative" lines, Rural-urban, or are folks all over the map?

I have to go into hospital for an annoying little follow-up to what was discussed in Kendall's "Oh the Pain...." thread, but I'll be back in a day and a half to check it out.

Any chance someone could do a Blue Clicky to Kelly Toughill's articles in the Toronto Star?

Thanks

Rick

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 02:19 PM

My understanding is that the practice of clubbing baby seals was discontinued about 20 years ago when it was made illegal. Or that's what I think I remember JtS saying about it. I'll check with him about it though.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: gnu
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 03:07 PM

I recall one late night in the Codroy Valley on the west coast of NF. Among the neighbours at the session was a demure elderly lady who would take no drink and quietly tapped her hand on her knee to the tunes with a constant saintly smile, as if her name, Mary, was truly befitting. At midnight, tea and coffee and cakes were served to prime the guests for the last go and the topic of the tragedy in the cod fishery came up. There was much discussion. Our host turned to Mary and asked of her thoughts. "It's da fuckin' seals !", she replied emphatically. Most nodded in agreement and the session resumed. I had to head outdoors immediately to take a breath of air and to try to stop laughing.

And it is the seals. You can endorse the seal hunt or kiss the cod goodbye, pun intended. The salmon are next, if they are not already as bad off as the cod.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 03:22 PM

Ok. I asked JtS about it. He said they don't kill the baby seals any more, but they do still hunt adult seals. He said they usually shoot them, but sometimes they still club them. He says clubbing is more humane than shooting because they die instantly when clubbed.

Hey, gnu, re: the codfish... JtS says they need a better navy (*grin*) in Canada so they can chase all those international fishing boats away from Nfld. But they would have to move the boundary for international waters a lot further out, as other countries have done. He said it worked in Iceland.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: gnu
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 03:39 PM

Nay maid. It's da fuckin seals. I didn't read the articles but I did hear an interesting story from a chopper pilot about ten years ago. The salmon of the Miramichi school up just offshore as most fish do before their spawning runs. The seals would take a chunk out of a salmon and go after the next one, for hours, thereby ensuring a feed of salmon on the bottom for days after the salmon entered the river to spawn. Seemed logical. But the real surpise is how he got to see this first hand. DFO (Department of Fisheries & Oceans) were in the chopper with M16's, spraying the seals. I agree clubbing is more humane.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 03:44 PM

Itas a good article

http://www.thestar.com/

Go to the star's homepage and type "seal hunt" in the 14 day search.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 04:02 PM

Only dif is, Rick, for you to have music, accounting, or gynecology as a profession, you wouldn't have to deliberately go about it with the intent to kill.

Nature will find her balance, with or without humans. It may take longer as we've fucked it up so badly, but I'd much rather we let her go about it than to meddle anymore. And, yes, I know starving deer are a sad thing to see.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: kendall
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 09:26 PM

Sorry gnu, but salmon do not feed once they have entered the river.

"So, here's to the world of the wild ones,
here's to the ones that must fall,
forgive us and bless us we know what we do,
we're victims of blindness that's all,

..." and, mothers your babies keep grand ladies warm,
as they stand on verandas at dusk,
it's too bad we killed them before they could swim,
but, you know that the whole world was given to us."

by Dave Mallett

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: Metchosin
Date: 01 May 03 - 12:32 AM

Kendall, I think the "feed of salmon" gnu was referring to was that which would be eaten by the seals.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 May 03 - 01:11 AM

Forgot to say, "Hang in there, Rick" and GOOD LUCK!

luvyakat

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: Jimmy C
Date: 02 May 03 - 01:13 AM

Best of luck Rick, hope to see you back here very soon.

BTW - I have eaten both seal meat, cod salmon, much prefer the cod and salmon.
The newfoundlanders have been doing a great job of seal hunting for many generations and all worked out pretty well for all concerned, the bottom line is - if you do not relish the thought of having to eat seal then the herds have to be culled, the combination of seals and over-fishing by foreign trawlers have all but decimated the cod stock. Even now it may be too late to bring the fisheries back, it's not all the fault of the seals but a good portion of it is.. If a growing seal has to eat fish to survive then the fish have to be protected as well, otherwise in the not too distant future we will have no fish and no seals, the difference being that the fish will be killed while the seals will starve, a slow and agonizing death on the ice floes. We have to limit the quota on the cod fish and we have to cull the seal herds. By permitting 25,000 seals to live we are condemning approx 100,000 fish DAILY. It's similar to deer hunting. If 20,000 deer are living in a region with only enough foliage to feed 10,000, then at the end of the winter all 20,000 deer will have perished, but, if we cull the herd to 10,000, then when Spring arrives nearly all of the remaining 10,000 deer will be alive, just in time to start the wonderful natural cycle all over again. It's a tough life but thats how it has to be. The population explosion of humans did not help either the fish stocks or the seals,but we can't cry over spilt milk and must do something now to try to correct a difficult situation and unfortunately culling the seals is part of the answer, albeit only a part. overfishing and the use of illegal nets has to be controlled as well. I sincerely wish I had the answer as I really enjoy a good fish dinner.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 02 May 03 - 03:27 AM

Beats me how the first European fishermen who made it to the Grand Banks sailed back home with tales of codfish so thick in the water that you could almost walk on them. I wonder why this was, for it is certain that there were just as many ---probably a helluva lot more---seals around at that time [nobody ever thought to cull them]. The depletion of cod stocks [and of beaver and of whales and of buffalo and of birdlife and of the native Human population]became evident following the return of the European fishermen, and of all the other exploiters of resource. Those who blame seals for the depletion of fish are either directly interested in the exploitation of the poor remnants of the fish resource, or those who have been hoodwinked by the propagandists of the same group. Seals and cod co-existed for probably hundreds of thousands of years before the excessive exploitation of the oceans by mankind destroyed the balance. Check facts before comming to judgement on seals. Anecdotal lore can be very wide of the mark. Extensive--and intensive--research has shown that salmon and cod play a surprisingly minor part in the seal diet.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: gnu
Date: 02 May 03 - 06:53 AM

Boab... quite correct. However, as JimmyC pointed out, overfishing AND undersealing are parts of the existing problem, which we may never be able to sort out, especially if ships from western Europe continue unchecked.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: GUEST
Date: 02 May 03 - 07:46 AM

I'll only make two comments on this...seals are not the problem in the cod fishery, five hundred years of ever fishing is. The people who benefitted most do not want to accept responsibility for having destroyed the fishery. We need to stop dancing around this fact and start to realize that resources belong to us all not just to those who exploit them.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: Willie-O
Date: 02 May 03 - 09:15 AM

It's not just overfishing, it's habitat destruction by draggers. And seals. And management plans that were driven by industry requirements. Most of all, the fishery collapse is the result of everyone expecting someone else to change while the first group kept on doing what they were doing.   

In the late eighties the folks at Employment Canada were actually predicting more jobs in fishing, even as the stocks were close to disaster. The thing was, they were building more and bigger boats, so by counting berths, they figured more jobs. Duh.

Easy to blame "foreign" trawlers; of course, the cod don't care what flag is on the boat that scoops them up. Now it's nothing but foreign trawlers, (outside, or dancing around on the 200-mile-limit) since the fishery is closed closed closed to Canadians.

I'm not against the seal hunt, never have been for the simple reason that no one has ever explained to me why it is an environmental issue. It's always been pitched as an animal rights, cruelty issue. You can deal with cruelty concerns by proper regulation and enforcement, not by shutting the hunt down. Even greenpeace isn't much involved in the seal hunt anymore--nothing about it on the current Greenpeace Canada homepage greenpeace.ca, ditto for sierraclub.ca

Jimmy C, the concept of "permitting 25,000 seals to live" is a pretty weird one to me. The inference is that you could get all the cod back by killing all the seals. The hunt this year is expected to kill about 300,000 seals, which is a big chunk of the population. If they were only going to "permit" 25,000 seals to live, it would be an environmental problem.   

This from International Fund for Animal Welfare, the biggest group campaigning against the hunt:

"The Canadian government is proposing to go even further by initiating a massive harp seal cull, revoking a 15-year old prohibition on the killing of baby hooded seals and establishing so-called "seal exclusion zones" - vast areas of ocean within which every seal will be exterminated."-- see IFAW press release, Nov 2002

"Undersealing?" Not any more, gnu.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: mg
Date: 02 May 03 - 10:32 AM

Well I personally have nothing to gain financially, or any other way, except remembering how good cod was...but I definitely subscribe to the seal theory as certainly a factor in the population dynamics of the past few generations. And I lived in Newfoundland and studied with the biologists, and they did not poo poo this. mg

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: gnu
Date: 02 May 03 - 11:52 AM

I may even be tempted to try seal again. The first time I ever had seal was in Makkovik, Labrador at Susie's Hotel (Susie Anderson - I think it was Susie. I'm sure it was Anderson because the phone book had 52 Andersons, a couple of other European names and about ten native names.) We were surveying for and supervising the building of an airstrip and boarding in a trailer owned by Susy, taking our meals in the Anderson's kitchen. We had seal for supper the first night, seal for breakfast, lunch and supper the next two days, and seal for the following breakfast. At lunch, I asked if there was anythging else on the go and she fed me caribou stew but there wasn't any meat in it, just caribou fat. I then made arrangements to take our meals with the contractor's crew. I've only had one feed of caribou since, just to be polite, and I really don't know if I could swallow seal ever again... maybe one of the little cute ones, if it was named Bridgitte.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 02 May 03 - 05:48 PM

The Newfoundland seal hunt, Calgary Stampede and lifting the moratorium on killing Grizzly Bears in B.C. are a national disgrace.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: Jimmy C
Date: 02 May 03 - 10:52 PM

Willie, I did not mean the 25,000 seals to be the total population allowed to live, I was just using the figure of 25,000 to show how many fish is required to feed that many seals. With the seal population in excess of 300,000 as you stated, just imagine how many fish are required to keep them alive, fish that we do not have, thanks to overfishing and other elements. The bottom line is that we do not have the fish required to feed humans and seals, so something has to give, Cull the seals, impose strict quotas on fuishing and then maybe (and it's a big maybe) in 10 or 20 years the fishing industry may survive.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 03 May 03 - 10:59 AM

Back from the hospital....as good as (almost) new.

GREAT resposes! Thank you. Geez, nuthin' to get mad at. Years of bad management produces years of resentment.

Rick

P.S. In the late sixties, a button advocating the end of the seal hunt could get you a punch in the mouth, ha ha!

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: Peter T.
Date: 03 May 03 - 11:09 AM

Cull the draggers. yours, Peter T.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: GUEST
Date: 03 May 03 - 11:39 AM

The depletion of fish is a result of both over-fishing within territorial limits by local small business owners/fisher folk, and the huge factory ships which fish just outside the territorial limits of the richest fisheries around the world, to scoop up everything that is headed out to sea from spawning grounds, etc.

Seals aren't the problem regarding depleted stocks. Humans are. That isn't to say that starving seals aren't a problem, though.

Greenpeace, like every other organization, government agency, or commercial institution, doesn't get right every time. But they are much more on top of this issue than the author of this article.

For a brief overview of the fisheries issues covered at the Earth Summit, this Greenpeace website isn't a bad place to start to look for information:

Global Fisheries Crisis

To suggest that this is a black/white either/or issue is just plain reactionary. The problem is complex. But the reason for the problem sure as shit isn't that seals are eating too much fish.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: GUEST
Date: 03 May 03 - 12:02 PM

It also seems pointless to have a discussion about an article series that no one has read, because no link was given.

Seal hunt series in Toronto Star

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: Peter T.
Date: 03 May 03 - 04:24 PM

Since you aren't killing anything, Rick, it is not exactly equivalent. The articles are interesting, describing a hard life. But I fail to see that there is any argument here: a hard life is a hard life. Coal mining is a disaster: the fact that coal miners lead a hard life is no argument for keeping coal mines open. In fact, the opposite.

yours, Peter T.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: GUEST
Date: 03 May 03 - 06:13 PM

Not everyone who is against the seal hunt is vegetarian, including myself. However, I am keenly aware (and studiously avoid) factory farmed foods, like pork, beef, chicken, and fish. Instead I eat those foods infrequently, so when I do consume them, I can afford to pay the true price of eating animal flesh without contributing to the problems caused by out of control agribusiness practices.

Seal isn't eaten by very many people in the world. So what products are so necessary to the global market, that the seal hunters provide?

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: GUEST
Date: 03 May 03 - 06:26 PM

Here is another point of view on the seal hunt--from some 'sentient being' lovers the seal hunt supporters hate so much:

http://www.hsus.org/ace/15954

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: GUEST
Date: 03 May 03 - 06:42 PM

I also noticed there are no actual pictures of the seals being slaughtered, skinned, and their penises being hacked off in this supposedly "agendaless" series. The Star wouldn't want people losing their breakfast over the paper, I suppose.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: maple_leaf_boy
Date: 22 May 09 - 09:23 AM

Well, within the past few months, there has been a lot of hype over
the seal hunt. What do you think of people boycotting seal products?
What do you think will happen with the Newfoundland seal hunters if
the industry falls? And even a worse thought, what about the communities
in Nunavut? The day that the vote in Europe favored the banning of
seal products, CBC Radio profiled it. A lady from Nunavut (who was in
Ottawa to support the seal hunt) said that Nunavut communities depend
on two industries: sealing and fishing. If they aren't able to sell
seal products, their communities would fall apart. And, seals over eat
the fish, so the fishing industry is dependent on the sealing industry.

What do you think of this?

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: CarolC
Date: 22 May 09 - 04:27 PM

If Mr. Williams can help the province keep more of the wealth from its mineral resources, maybe it won't hit the sealers as hard if their industry goes under. My father-in-law participates in the hunt, though, and if he is prevented from doing that, he's going to be pissed (not in the UK sense). He loves his seal meat.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: gnu
Date: 22 May 09 - 05:01 PM

Been clubbed to death in a few threads already. Filter it and you will seal.

CC... the politicians and the mining companies helping out peons? Not likely.

And, mlb, most people just have no knowledge of HOW seals eat, so they can't comprehend how much "damage" the seals can do. And, ya can't explain it to them. I have tried.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: CarolC
Date: 25 May 09 - 09:57 PM

I was talking to my father-in-law yesterday. He said if the EU ban on the sale of seal products causes the seal hunt to no longer be economically viable, the Canadian government will have to hire people and pay them to cull the seal population.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: heric
Date: 25 May 09 - 10:37 PM

godamned baby seals.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: CarolC
Date: 26 May 09 - 12:13 AM

I think it's the adult seals they would be concerned about. Taking them as juveniles just makes it economically feasible without having to pay someone to do it.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: CarolC
Date: 26 May 09 - 12:57 PM

The action taken by the EU could have a devastating impact on the Inuit in Canada, who are already struggling as it is...

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090526/national/gov_gen_arctic

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: Bill D
Date: 26 May 09 - 05:59 PM

There is a big difference between allowing sane hunting for food, as we do deer, and clubbing of baby seals for pelts.

Even deer must be thinned at times to prevent over population.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: gnu
Date: 26 May 09 - 06:54 PM

Well... don't make no sense to club em and leave em. And the pelts pay for a lot more than food.

And, I don't hear any news about Sir Paul and whatshername trying to help the poor people of the north anymore. I guess they had their ecofun and went back to their yachts in warmer waters. Sure hope his GPS is working better now... kinda rough when you don't have a clue where you are.... or even a clue to begin with.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: CarolC
Date: 26 May 09 - 09:44 PM

The Inuit aren't hunting them for food. They are hunting them for the same reason the people in Newfoundland and Labrador, and Quebec are - because it provides them with an important source of income in places where sources of income are very difficult to come by.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: CarolC
Date: 26 May 09 - 09:46 PM

And by the way, most of the hunters use guns. Most do not use clubs. And they don't kill the white coats.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: Riginslinger
Date: 27 May 09 - 04:11 PM

"...the Canadian government will have to hire people and pay them to cull the seal population."


                   I thought the world was running out of fish. Wouldn't that cull the seal population?

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: CarolC
Date: 27 May 09 - 05:00 PM

I think the idea is to do something about it before all the fish get et. It would help if the Canadian government would be more strict about not allowing foreign trawlers in their waters, though. Culling the seal population alone is probably not going to do it.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 May 09 - 08:25 PM

The real problem is that there are too many people relative to the sea life in the oceans.
The seal hunt locally achieves a short-lasting balance between seals and fish, but has no effect on the world wide problem of overfishing to supply more and more people (and their pets).

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: 3refs
Date: 28 May 09 - 07:44 AM

Gov. Gen. Michaelle Jean was invited and took part in a Inuit ceremony inwhich the GG thoroughly enjoyed the raw seal meat she asked if she could try. BRAVO!
I used to support PETA and the SPCA when they were about stopping the rubbing of mascara in rabbits eyes and preventing people from abusing, beating, or starving animals for no good reason other than to satisfy their sickness.
I know that most indigenous peoples in North America give some kind of thanks when they kill an animal. Not only to the Great Father, but to the animal as well. I often wonder how many of these bleeding hearts give thanks to the cow or pig when they go buy their steaks or chops at the local grocers!

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 May 09 - 01:29 PM

Yeah, that's the height of irony, isn't it? Blood on their hands by proxy almost every day of their lives, yet they freak out because the Governor General participated in a Native ceremony and ate a bit of raw seal heart, thus showing she has an open enough mind to do something a little unusual in terms of her own life, but quite appropriate to the culture of those people she is visiting. Good for her.

Some people must really have a desperate emotional need for something to get upset about, seems to me...so we have another media tempest in a teapot to keep the Canadian news people busy for a few days. Ho-hum.

But I saw a chart a few days ago showing the average levels of aquatic life in today's oceans. The entire northern hemisphere and central oceanic areas have been largely emptied of the great profusion of life that existed there a century ago. The only oceans that have not been severely damaged by over-fishing and pollution at this point are the most southerly ones down toward Antarctica. It's a catastrophe, and it's being caused by humanity.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: heric
Date: 28 May 09 - 01:37 PM

"Good for her."

That somehow reminds me of the row a year or three back when a photographer caught QE II breaking a pheasant's neck. She said nothing about the media frenzy but wore a pheasant feather in her hat to church the next Sunday.

Ocean destruction is at horrific levels.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: gnu
Date: 28 May 09 - 02:08 PM

Well, I think the eating of any raw seal meat is terrible! After all, seals eat rotting fish off the bottom and are subject to having worms. I would definitely BBQ my baby seals well before eating them. I don't eat the skin, of course... too much c'lesternall.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: heric
Date: 28 May 09 - 02:57 PM

You don't eat baby seals any more you liar you eat their mommies.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: gnu
Date: 28 May 09 - 03:06 PM

Mommies? NO! They don't fit on the barby. Flippers and whiskers, okay.

Oh... just in case you missed CC's post about the pelts... whitecoat hunting was banned in Canada LONG ago.

Oh... I have two 5 pound lobsters ordered for tomorrow. Let the seals eat cake.

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: 3refs
Date: 28 May 09 - 05:04 PM

5 pounders...........drool, drool, drool! I'd bring the butter and the beer!

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: gnu
Date: 28 May 09 - 05:04 PM

No neeed.... >;-)

Subject: RE: BS: The Newfoundland seal hunt..good article
From: GUEST,ollaimh
Date: 29 May 09 - 01:10 AM

if you actually look at the pictures of gg michaelle jean and her inuit hosts in the rankin inlet what do you see?

i see a black woman from haiti who rose from poverty as an immigrant to the highest office in canada who is showing the greatest of respect for a traditional inuit greeting ceremony, especially a womans greeting ceremony. those odd shaped knives are ulas. they are the traditional inuit womans knife for many mnay taskc and those knives a symbol of womanhood in the north. they are a symbol of strong independent hard working women who long had equal rights in their traditional life before the european colonializers came.

but those same european colonializers see a "neanderthall", a barbarian",a disguisting display" and one peta spokeswoman said it was like supporting the beating of women in the middle east as a local custom.

these european colonial imperialists have never given up the selfrighteous moralizing they have used every generation to justify the destruction and humiliation of native people all over the globe.

and remember why the inu eat raw meat. try to survive ib the artic on a totally meat diet. you will die of scurvy, rickets and other slower diseases of malnutrition, except if you drink blood and eat raw meat.
raw meat and blood have lots of vitimins and minerals that cooking destroys. could those european rascist im[eroalist colonializing bigots be more ignorant? those people have a right to survive. they could not survive the artic for a winter let alone for millenia without their traditional diet.

here here for michaelle jean. she has shown by her own life that in the new land any one can make it and she has shown great respect for the natives who were too often abused during colonialization.