BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 08 May 03 - 04:00 AM

Well, I'm trying out the Spamcop freebie for a while... see if that stops the buggers!

One rule I didn't see here, NEVER click on the bit that says they'll remove you from their list if you want... they will remove you from that particular list and put you on another, because they've just had confirmation that they have a viable working address.

If only it were so easy to do it with the junk mail I get through my door (7 pieces today, total mail count, 7)!

We bought a brand new computer, got it home, set it up and on setting up the internet connection, got several mails immediately - one usual 'welcome to Outlook' mailing and the others all Russian porn from someone called Svetlana! Took months to get rid of that, and could have had terrible consequences should we ever have been investigated by Social Services!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 08 May 03 - 04:05 AM

But shouldn't this be retitled as Tech? It is after all, a techy site and has some useful info in it that could help everyone.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 08 May 03 - 04:08 AM

Stilly

The thumb drives I've seen have been rather "pricey" for the amount of storage you get, although the small size would be handy.

If you can plug an extension into that rear USB port and lay it out front, you've got a "front plug in" and a 3-foot "extender" cord shouldn't be more than about $20 (US). (Get the USB-2 type, if you're buying.) Then get yourself a USB External Hard Drive - an 80 or 90GB shouldn't be more than about $150, and you can take home everything your boss owns in one trip.

Other advantage - it's just bulky enough so you're not tempted to take work home every night.

I'm a little puzzled why you want the kids on ME instead of just giving them their own "limited rights" signin on XP. XP has some built in firewall (I don't know how good it is since I connect thru SWMBO's) and "kid filter" functions that are supposedly a lot better than in ME, and you'd avoid having to contend with dual boots. Sort of an idle question on my part, since I'm sure you have your reasons.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 08 May 03 - 04:51 AM

I'd not heard of a "thumb drive" as such but looked into similar devices recently. I ended up buying a "6 in one" card reader/writer instead. We already have my dad's digital camera on smart media cards and I've no doubt will end up wth some other device using a different format at some point in the future so this seemed to me to be the better option.

The device is still small enough to fit in my pocket and also has a small sized CD in the case to supply drivers when needed. I'm not sure how much I will use it and agree with John that the storage is not the cheapest per MB but under £20 for the device and smart media cards as low as £10 for 32MB and probably still falling, it seemed quite attractive to me and certainly beats the hell out of floppies!

USB: My mother board has 2 USB ports on the back and an extension socket on the board. The board came with a further 2 USP ports that are mounted on a bit of metal designed to fit in one of the spaces for a PCI expansion slot and cable to plug into the expansion socket. I'm toying with the idea of attempting to cut a hole in the front of the case to take this. It would beat crawling under the desk to get to the back of the machine and (as long as I don't muck up) be cheaper than buying extension cables.

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 08 May 03 - 07:25 AM

Jon -

If the USB card is a recent add, it's probably at the new USB-2 frequency, and unless the "pigtail" that came with it is long enough to reach the hole you're planning to cut, you really should use a good USB cable anyway.

Depending on what kind of setup you have, almost any hole you add to the case can screw up the mfrs plan for cooling the system, so be neat with your buzz-saw.

For a short run, and especially if the devices you plan to connect are "old" USB, you can get by with the $7 (or less) extension - plain vanilla USB - cable as opposed to the higher priced USB-2. The worst that's likely to happen if the cable is a little noisy is that the card will fall back to the 10MHz USB rate, instead of the 100MHz USB2.

Unless you really need more ports, my most likely approach would be just to duct tape (or something a little prettier) a cheap patch cable to the side of the case so you can plug in "out front."

John

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 08 May 03 - 08:04 AM

Thanks John. The motherboard (ABIT KT7 - A VIA Apollo KT133 board) is probably about 2 years old now and is just std USB. The cable would reach from the socket on the motherboard to the front as well as the back but I'll take your advice and not cut a hole. The 2 existing ports at the back are taken by printer and scanner. I'll just mount the thing where it's intended to fit, in the place of a PCI card slot (it's not a card itself), and use a cable to come round to the front in line with your "duct tape" idea. It's probably a lot safer and and I don't think £7 (exchange £ for $ will probably be a reasonable estimate for UK cost) will hurt me too much.

Jon

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 08 May 03 - 08:31 AM

SEE? Getting Techier by the posting!

TALK IN ENGLISH THAT EVERYONE CAN UNDERSTAND!!!!!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 08 May 03 - 01:01 PM

LTS -

Translation of previous exchange:

If the hole ain't where you can hit it, there's more than one way to move that hole.

OK?

John

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 08 May 03 - 03:05 PM

which hole?

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 May 03 - 03:54 PM

John,

My HP Pavilion came with ME installed, and a set of three CDs for reinstalling if it becomes corrupt. It's mostly an all-or nothing fix, you can't take parts of the disks, you have to use all of them in sequence.

I work at home a lot and ME sucks as far as being a reliable operating system for big files and more sophisticated programs. It kept crashing with FrontPage and PhotoDraw (yeah, I know, they suck too, but that's what the university provides). I set up a dual platform and bought academic disks ($25 for the MS Office2000 Premium) and installed it in the new Win2000Pro platform. It's identical to what I use at work.

The DVD movie-playing and CD-burner functionality are tied in with the ME side of my dual platform. Win2000 was never meant for gaming, ME was, and it has a few better resident games. It seems silly to buy software to operate stuff from the Win2000 side when I can already do it from the ME side.

Gets confusing, doesn't it?

The USB cord I bought is about 18 inches long, and has a little 4-slot USB hub that now sits on the top of my computer. Real cute little thing.

Good idea about the external hard drive. Those little thumb drives are just a cute device the size of a keychain gadget, and while they probably do have a lot of functionality for someone carrying stuff back and forth between the same computers (they do come with software to install and there is a pssword involved) they get pretty expensive when compared to a zip disk that will carry as much or more and doesn't need anything extra once it is installed. I opted for the small zip drive.

Liz, if you've ever looked under the hood of your computer, you'll note that it's mostly empty in there. The hardware doesn't take up much space. But keeping it cool enough is real important, and some of these computers can have several fans all running at once. Airflow is important, and if you cut a new hole in the case, you can subvert what the designers had in mind as far as cooking cooling the stuff inside. I lost a good (read "expensive") modem when the power supply fan stopped working. It overheated and died. I use a DSL external modem now.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 08 May 03 - 03:57 PM

Liz -

Old PCs only gave you a couple of places to plug things in. You usually had a Parallel Port, which was a long skinny plug with quite a few pins, and a Serial Port, which was a shorter sort of rectangular plug with fewer pins.

You could plug in your printers and such, but you rapidly ran out of places to hook up external devices.

You could add cards to put more Serial or Parallel ports in your machine, but each port needed its own "Interrupt" and "DMA" assignment, and there aren't very many of those - so 3 or 4 external devices was pretty much the limit.

Newer machines, around 5 years ago, began adding a USB (Universal Serial Bus) connector or two on the back of the machine. This connection is much like a "serial port" but since it is a "bus" connection, you can connect several devices to the same port (call it a hole where you plug stuff in). This "port" makes it much easier to connect several devices - multiple printers, scanners, and such; and is quite a bit faster than the older kinds of ports.

One of the very common things that gets plugged into the USB port is digital cameras - or devices to read the memory cards that store pictures in the cameras. Most digital cameras can connect directly to the PC, almost always to the USB port. You can also take the card out of the camera and stuff it into a "reader" that connects the same way.

For around $20 - $30 (US) you can get a "reader" that allows you to connect one or more of the approximately 8(?) different kinds of camera memory cards to your PC, and read the card as if it were a "temporary hard drive." Memory cards run about $20 for a 32MB card, up to around $125 for a 128MB card. Readers like this that are "packaged" for use as "portable memory" are essentially what is called a "thumb drive."

The usual location for the USB connector(s) on older (4 or 5 years) PCs was on the back of the machine, and if you want to plug something in, you've got to stand on your head or move the machine (for typical setup) to get to the plug. The simple way to bring the connection "out front" is to plug an extension cable a couple of feet long into the socket on the back, and lay the other end somewhere where it's easy to reach - or tape it to the side of the machine.

Newer machines nearly always have at least 2 USB connectors on the back, and an additional 2 (or more) connectors on the front of the machine.

The original USB ports had a theoretical ability to send stuff at 10MHz, and actually managed 2 to 4 MHz fairly consistently. This is good enough to run your printer or scanner, but gets sort of "balky" when you try to connect things like external hard drives, CD burners, and such. The newer connections are USB-2, which theoretically can send stuff back and forth at 100MHz (and actually get about half that in most setups).

To get the full benefit from the USB-2 connection, you should use the "better" cables that are certified to the USB-2 standard, but a USB-2 3-foot long cable will cost about $15-$25 (US) where the plain old USB cable the same length should be $4 - $10 (US).

A short USB cable may actually work at USB-2 speed, but if you get any longer runs, or several cables on the same port, things will slow down to USB speed instead of delivering the full potential of the USB-2 equipment.

Any clearer? (or were you talking about one of the other subjects?)

John

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: Cluin
Date: 08 May 03 - 04:20 PM

1. Highlight

2. Delete

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: NicoleC
Date: 08 May 03 - 04:23 PM

Newer machines nearly always have at least 2 USB connectors on the back, and an additional 2 (or more) connectors on the front of the machine.

For those new to USB, be aware that the ports in the back and the front may be the SAME ports and you can't use all 4 -- you generally have two USB ports, not 4. Never fear, you can buy a USB hub to get more ports if you don't want to be swappng cables around.

I recently "fixed" someone's USB problem when I realized their computer SAID it had two USB ports -- one in the front and one in the back -- but if you plugged in two devices, there was a conflict. Turns out the whole series went off the assembly line with a plastic sticker that covered up one of the two available ports in the back -- so that users wouldn't get confused over which port to use in the back.

Problem was, it covered up the WRONG one! 2 minutes with a pocket knife later, their second USB device was plugged in to the other port, and everything worked perfectly :)

(Lovely explanation, John, BTW.)

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 May 03 - 04:27 PM

John,

My HP came with six USB ports (two on the back, two on the front, and two on my keboard, though the two on the keyboard don't function at as high a rate, because of the length of the keyboard cord). There is also a firewire on the front. Very nice!

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 08 May 03 - 04:37 PM

Maybe my motherboard is a little unuasual then. Looking at "device manager", I have 2 "USB Root Hubs", each reporting 2 ports.

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 08 May 03 - 04:44 PM

Sounds good SRS.

My system is a replace/upgrade bits as and when PC. I think the mouse is my oldest surviving component going back to when I had a 486. The case would be the next oldest, dating from when it was an AMD K2 500Mhz job. It's currently an Athlon 1Ghz. The newest part is the monitor which replaced the one I had when it was a P133 around the start of this year...

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 08 May 03 - 07:24 PM

Some of the "consumer grade" newer machines do come with several USB connectors all tied to the same port. You can safely plug only one device in, although you can use any of the connectors for that one device.

Better machines actually have a built-in "USB Hub" so that you can use any or all of the connectors for different devices at the same time.

One of the main purposes of the USB connection is that it is designed to accept inputs from more than one device, but there has to be an appropriate "daisy chain" of the devices so that the bus can tell which device sent each signal, and tell the proper device that "this signal is yours" when it sends something back.

The setup is somewhat similar to the older (but still very good) SCSI connection. (SCSI = Small Computer System Interface, pronounced "skuzzy") In a SCSI system, the first device is connected to the "controller" and a "terminator" is placed on the other end of the first device. The "terminator" tells the controller "ain't nothin' more there, don't go any farther."

To add a second SCSI device, you plug the second one into the first one - and move the "terminator" to the other end of the second one.

USB is somewhat similar, in that things need to be connected in a way that lets the individual devices be identified by the USB controller. For a simple "plug two things into one socket" setup, you can use a "splitter," which often just looks like a piece of cable. One end plugs into the computer, and the other end has two sockets where you can plug in two separate devices. It may actually have a little "box" on the end, but the function is the same.

A "splitter" may have "primary" and "secondary" sockets, and you may have to use the "primary" before the "secondary" works. This is not the way it's supposed to be, but can happen if the splitter mfr cut some corners. If the PC mfr cut the same corners and used a poorly implemented "splitter" for a half-dozen USB connectors on your box, I suppose you can console yourself that he probably saved a few bucks - and of course passed the savings on to you...(?)

For more complex connections, more than 2 or 3 devices on a single USB controller, you probably need a true "USB HUB," and a decent machine with multiple USB connectors should have a hub built in. You can also get external hubs, typically connecting up to 4 or 8 devices to one USB connector on the machine.

It should be noted that if your machine has a built in hub adding an external hub can cause "LAN Looping" that can seriously degrade performance of your whole machine. (A multi-device USB setup with a hub is a "Local Area Network" to your machine). Win2K or WinXP will set things up automatically, usually with no problems, but it may add a couple of unexpected "protocols" on your machine. I don't have any information on WinME, but it should work about like XP(?). Earlier Windows versions can have problems with multi-hub setup, but they are not common.

There is a newer (than USB-2) standard that's supposedly even faster, but hardware is still rather rare for it. The main use for new the "super USB" would be in a really sophisticated DVD display setup.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 May 03 - 10:16 PM

I didn't have a problem with spam when I had my old EAGLE-PC, a two-floppy (the 5+" floppies) 8088. No internet connection. Then there was the Packard Bell 486, pretty darned impressive in it's day, and it lasted a long time (many of us in the family would argue that it was around FAR too long). That had a rudimentary 2500 baud (is that how slow they were?) modem. No spam back then. I didn't even encounter much in the way of spam when I was using my Pentium 133mhz Acer laptop. It's with the newest computer in the last couple of years that I've been swamped by it.

(How do you like that thread drift, all the while integrating the original subject.)

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 08 May 03 - 10:40 PM

Spam is a little like the guy on the street corner selling pencils:

Passerby: "How much for a pencil?"
Seller: "$10,000."
P: "Don't sell many pencils, do you?"
S: "Only gotta sell one."

It was around in the old days, when stuff was a lot slower, but it just didn't work until it became possible to "hit" on 10,000 or 50,000 people (or more) per hour. Only one or two in a thousand is going to be gullible enough to send you money - or even to "confirm" his addy so that you can sell the address to somebody.

P.T. Barnum may have said "There's a sucker born every minute," and his partner might actually have asked "But where do the rest of them come from?" but you still have to find the sucker with money to make it work. Sort of like selling "antiques" - or working ebay.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: Doug_Remley
Date: 08 May 03 - 10:50 PM

I have enjoyed the computer knowledge on the thread and have done a lot of local work for those who still cross themselves at the thought of "oh my god! he's going to open it!" However, I don't know that I've ever actually seen this thing called SPAM. I have a Pakistani anti-viral system ( "go to the source" )and my ISP, a NET org, washes all e-mail. Still, I do get at least one advert for porn each day from seemingly good addresses. Damn, no pictures, though. just "Click Here!!" yeah sure, *snort*. I often wonder where they get a mailing list, or if there is an expense involved for "advertising?" No damage has been done to involve EPIC but it more than an auto flyer in the post (hmmm, nice bumpers there), these are essentially properly enveloped and stamped. Does anyone see a need for "second class mail" on the Net?

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 09 May 03 - 12:32 AM

Doug -

Within reason, we all want the minimum of controls on the net. The problem is that "advertising" broadcasts of email messages now account for 50 to 80 percent of all net traffic, depending on who's estimate you look at, and it's a significant burden on those who provide the net. And no, it doesn't cost them anything extra to send all that stuff - which is why they can afford to do it the way they do.

If you're fortunate enough to be behind a "filter" that prevents you from seeing everything that people attempt to send - assuming even one of them knows your email address and has passed it around - recent analyses of current best filtering hardware and software available would indicate that at least 1 or 2 percent of messages you want to see are also being blocked. There's just no way to reject nearly all of the spam without rejecting at least a few valid messages.

So the freeloaders are not only annoying, they are preventing you from having the full and intended use of the internet for your own purposes (which we'll assume are all legitimate).

John

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 09 May 03 - 12:58 AM

Well - its my fourth posting to this thread. All others have been removed. No that will be also.

I find some the sage advice of these mudcat technos advisos to be hilarious.

For example, visit one of their websites and softcore porn pop-ups will flash you for a week.

http://katsagewalker.tripod.com/bin/email_when_updated/display_form

Intensifies Orgasim
Stimulates Femenin Libido
MEN have VIAGRA Women have VIGEL

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

You get what you pay-for and nothing is "free."

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: NicoleC
Date: 09 May 03 - 01:07 AM

Or to be more explicit -- the fees you pay your ISP pay for all the spam you receive, or DON'T receive, because your ISP spends money and time blocking it.

Does anyone see a need for "second class mail" on the Net?

Cute idea, but there's no reason spammers would set heir mail to be second class anymore than they are likely to include the prefix letters "ADV:" in their subject. (As was proposed as a standard a long time ago and still occasionally used... but rarely.)

I hate getting junk mail via snail mail, too, but at least the folks sending it PAID for it to go out to me. And bulk junk mail effecgively subsidizes out US Postal Service, keeping stamp rates pretty low. It's annoying, but it doesn't cost me anything except another walk to the garbage can.

Email is like COD -- the recipient pays to receive the email.

It almost makes me want to see an internet email system where you pay to SEND mail, which goes to the ISP of the recipient. Fairly legit marketers will gladly pay $.03 per email because they have a legitimate product to sell, and it's cheaper than smail mail or newspaper ads, or all other kinds of advertising.

But the get-rich-quick and bogus schemes that make up the vast majority of internet flotsam would stop. I suspect it would also encourage a lot more people to keep their virus scanner up to date -- one worm that mass emails itself to everyone in your address book could be costly.

Maybe internet plans would be like cell phone plans... you get so many free emails per month and pay whatever rate after that. Like the original internet plans, which included rates for connection hours, not "unlimited" usage.

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 09 May 03 - 01:10 AM

For an overview of some current thinking on spam, some of you might want to look at the PC Mag Stop the Spam issue.

Note that the site does "feature" some popups, asks you to log in, and wants you to accept cookies - but I've not found them doing anything destructive with any of it. If you prefer to go in the "front door," its http://www.pcmag.com. Scroll down to "previous issues" in the left sidebar, and pick the Feb 25, 2003 issue.

The article cited has links to some other related stuff, including lab test results for a number of the best available filtering and blocking stuff. Unfortunately, some of the favorite software cited by our group in this thread does not actually show very good performance; although there apparently is nothing that does it all.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 09 May 03 - 03:31 AM

Look guys, I have a grey box of bits. It has about 16 plugs and sockets, and 48 feet of cables in varying shades of black (just right for sorting which one goes where) sticking out of it. There's a natty little box on top of it (a tasteful metallic burgundy shade that almost but not quite fails to co-ordinate with the blue and white decor) that has little green lights like eyes on it. It hums when it's on and doesn't when it isn't. Manitas is an IT manager - I have no need of any technical knowledge but I like to learn. I failed to realise I'd have to learn a totally new language!

Is it any coincidence that MS and ME are also debilitating illnesses that affect the nervous and immune systems leaving the sufferer drained, exhausted, emotional and incapable of voluntary movement?

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: Bill D
Date: 09 May 03 - 01:16 PM

**I** don't get pop-ups when I visit Tripod sites...or GeoCities sites, either...I almost forget they are there. (I do get a tiny little red [ad] to show me ads ARE being blocked, but even this is my choice)

Why? Because I use one of the best blockers available--The Proxomitron, and one of the best firewalls, Outpost.

It requires a small amount of tweaking to cover all the situations, but wow! what a difference!

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 May 03 - 02:51 PM

If the advice posted here is seen as "hilarious" by a self-reported technologically advanced reader who visits the links we post and finds (horrors!) popup ads, one wonders why that reader hasn't bestirred himself to get some ad blocking software by now? The sites I posted were simply examples of the area where art has been appropriated by porn ads, with plenty of warning from me that there could be popups! Unfortunately, erotic art has been almost totally co-opted by the porn folks, as an avenue for getting ads on the screens of folks who wouldn't go looking make the transistion from the merely salacious to the outright lascivious.

I also wonder why, if "BS" threads are such an apparent abomination on a music site, he continually dips his oar in these waters below the equator?

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 09 May 03 - 04:55 PM

I've been using K9 (see http://keir.net) for about 10 days. Today I got one piece of spam, and promptly advised K9 that it was spam, by clicking on one button. Before I started using this prog, I was getting 10-15 spams daily.

It's a free program, and as mentioned above, has been recommended by one of my tech newsletters. Why not try it?

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 10 May 03 - 04:27 AM

I've got the Spamcop on free trial... it's only let through 1 in 3 days, but deleted 7... I'm happy, but of course, if I have to pay for it, I'd rather keep deleting the spam myself! Apparently we have a built in spamfilter, so heaven only knows what I'd be getting otherwise!

Not too happy about the free advertising they get everytime I send an Email out either, but what the hell, nothing is for free!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: NicoleC
Date: 10 May 03 - 11:13 AM

An anti-spam program that spams you with advertising?

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 10 May 03 - 01:13 PM

Yep - automatically inserts a footer advert on all your Emails that you send out.... like I said, nothing is for free....

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: Bill D
Date: 10 May 03 - 01:37 PM

ah, Liz....do not despair! There ARE a few things that are truly free. 'Some' programs are simply released with NO strings attached...no "Pro" versions that they want to sell you, no demanding your email address as a condition, no 'free registration'to their newsletter, no tracking you with spyware...etc.

It take some looking and research, but there ARE altrustic software authors out there.

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: Bill D
Date: 10 May 03 - 01:44 PM

for example, the K9 program that pdc recommends above IS free with no strings...and it works on the same principle that The Proxomitron that I suggest for web browsing. Your email is routed thru a local proxy, so that this program, which YOU continually adjust to suit yourself, looks at mail BEFORE your email program and follows rules YOU set. Not perfect, but not bad!

I may try it, though currently I am still using the "look at my email on the server and delete the crap manually" technique.

Subject: RE: BS: Spam and Porn - how to get rid of it?
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 10 May 03 - 02:19 PM

Watch out for SpamCop -- I used it for a while, then found it was deleting all of my e-mails that are "regular repeats", like tech letters I subscribe to, the New York Times that I receive online daily, and so forth. One of my tech letters was quite bitter about it, as the people at SpamCop wouldn't change their specs.

So far K9 is great -- I had NO spam today, first time in ages.