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'Burning Man' festival goes on

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Subject: 'Burning Man' festival goes on
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jul 03 - 10:48 AM

Fears that the current administration would not be as open-minded with our land have been unfounded. The BLM just issued the permit for another "Burning Man" festival. Sounds a bit like a cross between a POW-WOW and a Grateful Dead Concert. This Counter-culture event, held in the northern Nevada desert, sounds like a natural for many Mud-Catters. Thirty thousand people expected. Biggest event on BLM property.


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Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on
From: michaelr
Date: 10 Jul 03 - 09:46 PM

I should think that the intersection between the Burning Man crowd and the Mudcat folkie crowd would be a slim one.

Burning Man has nothing in common with a Grateful Dead concert -- it's not a concert but a live art happening in the Dada tradition, laced with New Age rituals. Here's their site.

I've got it: It's a Dada woo-woo pow wow!

Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on
From: Amos
Date: 10 Jul 03 - 09:54 PM

They are kindred souls in that they celebrate finding better ways to look at things and refuse knee-jerkism. They just do it from another corner of the sandbox, is all... :>)


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Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jul 03 - 10:06 PM

Thanks guys. I have no idea what it is, that is why I through it out for discussion. No rules about anything, rumor has.


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Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on
From: NicoleC
Date: 10 Jul 03 - 10:23 PM

Not entirely true. There are many rules about safety and cleaning up -- and Burning Man has a top notch reputation about leaving the grounds better than when they came in.

Also some rules about where cars can go and such -- but otherwise it's a temporary community, and the you and your neighbors make the rules about what's acceptable in your area of the Burning Man city.


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Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Jul 03 - 12:11 AM

I used to visit on the old Greenpeace BBS with an admin guy who'd been at Burning Man, from the very beginning when it was just a few people. By 1983/84, he was already getting disgusted with how it had become well-known and overtaken by "newbies." There've been major news stories on tv about it over the years. I cannot imagine what he must think of it, now. He was going to quit going just before i lost contact with him in '85, he was so digusted with it. From what he said, it seemed it was mostly a bunch of bikers in the beginning.


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Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on
From: open mike
Date: 11 Jul 03 - 01:32 AM

well it may have something in common with the cat
they have thier "ART THEME" , too!
I bet there are a lot of folks there
who cherish free expression, and
crative thinking, as do many catters.
the art cars are quite something,
and there has been a fiming crew
there on teh cyber bus. you might
find their flix here:
http://www.cyberbuss.com/vtrips.htm
I saw this bus full of folks (freaks)
at a remote hot springs in the desert
a few years back...they have a radio
broadcast from their bus...i do not
know if they have live music, but i
see they did a broadcast with a class
of school kids.


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Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jul 03 - 10:54 AM

Sounds like the connection to Mudcat Forum is not that tenuous. Thanks for the tip on litter. The only image of Woodstock some have is the arial view of miles and miles of trash.


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Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on
From: Blackcatter
Date: 11 Jul 03 - 11:21 AM

Been their twice -

'93 and '94.

It is huge and from what I've heard has changed dramatically over the years. Kat - you're right it was kind of a biker rally at first and then because of the growth in New Age and especially Pagan religion in the U.S., the event started getting a different crowd.

There are plenty of rules at Burning Man, just not as many as in a typical city. They attendees must pick up after themselves, treat the local flora & fauna with respect (not that there's much there to begin with) Nudity is allowed, but in the freakin' desert it's pretty minimal anyhoo. There are families as well as singles, retired people as well as college students. I'm sure if you took a poll just about every profession would be represented there. At the time I went I was working for the Elections office in Orlando.

It's mainly a time to hang out with people who generally have the same interests of spirituality/religion as you do and buy and sell stuff that is homemade or hard to find. It's just a big ass gathering that eventually sacrifices a giant wickerman (though not everyone puts the whole symbology behind it).


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Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 03 - 01:04 PM

Thanks, michaelr, the web site is exactly what we needed. The newly re-named Dada woo-woo pow wow is a bit north of I-80, the huge E-W freeway that goes through Reno. Location clearly favors Californians, at least down to the Bay Area.

Northern Nevada is nothing like the Palm Springs-Las Vegas-Phoenix desert areas in the summer. Expect 90 degrees +/- a couple, and the lowest humidity in the country. Clean air and low population mean that so many stars are visible that lifetime city people will not believe what is really out There.


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Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 13 Jul 03 - 01:39 PM

Obviously stolen from Santa Fe, where the burning of Zozobra is a yearly occurrence, started in the 1920s by the "Art Colony."


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Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jul 03 - 08:03 PM

General rule in rural America: "Do anything you want but don't scare the livestock".


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Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on
From: pdq
Date: 15 Jul 03 - 10:20 PM

To whom it may concern, the guest postor is now legit.! Didn't hurt a bit!


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Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on
From: michaelr
Date: 15 Jul 03 - 11:49 PM

Welcome, outwest!

Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on
From: open mike
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 05:12 PM

This event is coming up in Sept.

http://www.burningman.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_Man

this should probably be in the B.S. section

(or B.M. for Burning Man)


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Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 06:20 PM

Leave it UP here.

It is EVERY-BIT as musical and folk and American

As all that FEST-BRIT stuff that infests the upper area each spring.


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Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on
From: Amos
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 07:31 PM

While it is a spectacular, original, pure-dee grassroots festival it also tends toward geekery and wildass machines doing unexpected things. I love it, although I have only been virtually. But music? What's the story of music at burning man?


A


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Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on
From: GUEST,hg
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 07:37 PM

hi garg


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Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 11:43 PM

The original burning man was reportedly a "mostly hippie" thing.

It has morphed into something somewhat elsewise, but still retains some of the original flavor. I haven't checked out the site linked, but it should be easy to find photos and the rulebook.

During the past year there has been a conflict of MAJOR proportions (relative to the size of the event) over copy -- rights to themes and logos, so the BLM hasn't been the only obstacle to continuing the celebration. Hopefully the problems have been resolved - or put on hold.

One of the comments found a year ago was that the number of tickets are limited, and need to be purchased (and paid for) months in advance.

A rule of interest is that entry is ONE TIME ONLY, and if you leave during the festival you are NOT allowed back in.

You also must, as a result of the single-entry rule, bring all the fuel, food, water, and other supplies you may need with you at the first time you go in. (No sending out for a pizza.) I believe generators are allowed to run the air conditioner in your camper, but remember you have to bring a week of fuel with you - and that's a whole bunch of propane/gasoline.

There also have been strict prohibitions against "exchanging money" although "trading goods and services" is generally encouraged. In recent years I believe some "vendors" have been admitted; but they're strictly licensed and regulated by the event managers. (This could change?)

The site is "high desert" and temperatures can run to 120 F (49 C?), and the sun is "very bright." A lot of the scheduled events appear to take place at night, when it gets down to a mere 101 F(?). The photos from past years show lots of very elaborate (and very large) art installations consisting of neon and laser lights. (Apparently some people do bring a lot of generator fuel.)

It looks like a lot of fun, but a first-timer of my fragile age would probably make enough mistakes to die by the third or fourth day, and someone would have to pack the bones out (required by camp rules).

John


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Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on
From: open mike
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 03:53 AM

there are nearly 50,000 people who attend, and some prepare for most
of the year, inventing vehicles, and other stuff...esp. alt. energy systems. They get together in affinity groups...one group is a yacht club...someone brings a large swim. pool and everyone else brings water to fill it with...

there have been births and deaths there.


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Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on
From: GUEST,Ebor_fiddler
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 07:18 PM

How come nobody's mentioned the original Burning Man in God's own Country? The Burning of Old Bartle has taken place annually since the year dot at West Whitton in Wensleydale on the Saturday nearest to St Bartholemew's Day (August 24th). It has never had any connection with neo-pagans (though it has real pagan origins), nor has it been hijacked by hippies or (worse) people selling tickets. (Are You going Everses?)


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Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 06:01 AM

"Burning Man" is a wonderful event. It seems to be founded on the
Zozobra Festival, of Santa Fe New Mexico held in late August and this
year early September. Only 30,000 attend the the NM event - the price is
right "free" if you sit on the hillside or five-bucks if you donate to Kiawanis.

In NM It is the immolation of "Old Man Gloom" - you can also find its
roots in the culminating event of each years "Bohemian Grove Encampment"
Obama is invited as have been the past 100 years presidents. Few attend so early in their term...but he could sure use the help. Plane spotters love it.

For years hearing of Burning Man - I always believed it was the NM
Zozobra event - which I attended the same year as a Jethro Tull concert
using rear-screen-projection (magical in its day) it was only when relatives
became involved that the new extravaganza become clarrified in my head.

http://www.zozobra.com/history.html

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

I like the concept noted in the history of stuffing the monster with old parking citations and divource papers.


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Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on
From: open mike
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 03:11 PM

this is coming up on labor day weekend


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Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on
From: pdq
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 03:48 PM

"The site is 'high desert' and temperatures can run to 120 F (49 C?), and the sun is 'very bright.' "    ~   JohnInKansas

Oh, give us a break!

The highest recorded temperature ever in the United States, outside of the Furnace Creek area of Death Valley, is only 118o F........... Ever!

Expect about 85-90o F at Burning Man with low humidity, unless it's raining, which is rare.


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Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 04:03 PM

Cooler in Santa Fe, at the burning of Zozobra, now in its 85th year. Expect day temperatures in the 70s, lows high 40s. Altitude 7000 feet.


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Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on
From: open mike
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 05:09 PM

several record high temps have been recorded in U.S. 120 deg. F +

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state_temperature_extremes

it regularly gets 115 - 120 in the Redding CA area most summers

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2006/jul/julyext2006.html

Death Valley has hit 134
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/usa/calif/wdeathva.htm


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Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on
From: open mike
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 05:21 PM

http://blackrockdesert.org/friends/current/conditions

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?site=rev&smap=1&textField1=40.65167&textField2=-119.35417

http://blackrockdesert.org/wiki/index.php/Weather_Satellite_Imagery


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Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on
From: pdq
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 06:23 PM

Well, here are the official records from US government source.

Yes, 120+ has been recorded a few times.

Still, Burning Man is more likely to be 82o F that 100+, much less 120+.


State high temperature records

State          Temp    Date          Station                   Elevation (feet)
Ala.                112   Sept. 5, 1925   Centerville               345
Alaska          100   June 27, 1915   Ft. Yukon                420*
Ariz.               128   June 29, 1994   Lake Havasu               505
Ark.                120   Aug. 10, 1936   Ozark                     396
Calif.             134   July 10, 1913   Death Valley             N/A
Colo.             118   July 11, 1888   Bennett                   5,484
Conn.            106   July 15, 1995   Danbury                   450
Del.               110   July 21, 1930   Millsboro                20
Fla.                109   June 29, 1931   Monticello                207
Ga.                112   July 24, 1952   Louisville                132
Hawaii          100   April 27,1931   Pahala                   850
Idaho            118   July 28, 1934   Orofino                   1,027
Ill.                  117   July 14, 1954   E. St Louis               410
Ind.               116   July 14, 1936   Collegeville             672
Iowa             118   July 20, 1934   Keokuk                   614
Kansas       121   July 24, 1936   Alton                     1,651
Ky.                114   July 28, 1930   Greensburg                581
La.                114   Aug. 10, 1936   Plain Dealing             268
Maine            105   July 10, 1911   N. Bridgton               450
Md.                109   July 10, 1936   Cumberland and Frederick 623, 325
Mass.          107   Aug. 2, 1975   New Bedford and Chester   120, 640
Mich.             112   July 13, 1936   Mio                      963
Minn.             114   July 6, 1936   Moorhead                  904
Miss.             115   July 29, 1930   Holly Springs             600
Mo                118   July 14, 1954   Warsaw and Union          705, 560
Mont.             117   July 5, 1937   Medicine Lake             1,950
Neb.               118   July 24, 1936   Minden                   2,169
Nev.                125   June 29, 1994   Laughlin                  605
N.H.                106   July 4, 1911   Nashua                   125
N.J.                110   July 10, 1936   Runyon                   18
N.M.                122   June 27, 1994   Lakewood                  N/A
N.Y.                108   July 22, 1926   Troy                      35
N.C.                110   Aug. 21, 1983   Fayetteville             213
N.D.                121   July 6, 1936   Steele                   1,857
Ohio               113   July 21, 1934   Gallipolis                673
Okla.               120   June 27, 1994   Tipton                   1,350
Ore.                119   Aug. 10, 1898   Pendleton                1,074
Pa.                  111   July 10, 1936   Phoenixville             100
R.I.                  104   Aug. 2, 1975   Providence                51
S.C.                111   June 28, 1954   Camden                   170
S.D.                120   July 15, 2006   Kelly Ranch/Usta          2,339
Tenn.             113   Aug. 9, 1930   Perryville                377
Texas             120   Aug. 12, 1936   Seymour                   1,291
Utah               117   July 5, 1985   Saint George             2,880
Vt.                   105   July 4, 1911   Vernon                   310
Va.                   110   July 15, 1954   Balcony Falls             725
Wash.             118   Aug. 5, 1961   Ice Harbor Dam 475       475   
W. Va.             112   July 10, 1936   Martinsburg               435
Wis.                114   July 13, 1936   Wisconsin Dells          900
Wyo.                116   Aug. 8, 1983   Basin                     3,500

*Elevation estimated.

Source: U.S. National Climatic Data Center (last updated August 2006)


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