BS: Anyone for cricket?

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: Sooz
Date: 16 Aug 03 - 03:35 PM

Young Anderson was a bright star today - pink hair and everything!

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: Les from Hull
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 06:15 PM

And Gibbs played on! I'm now hoping for daft run-outs and retired hurts. We'll take anything with the current state of the England attack. It would be nice to see England at least building for the future, but the best performances were from the old 'uns.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 02:55 PM

Les from Hull, Your prayers have been answered, Smith stepped back on his wicket. It is the battle of the also-rans, like the Ireland v Wales Rugby match to-morrow. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: Beardy
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 09:30 AM

And Les that between them Anderson, Harmison & Kirtley have less than 10 tests between them. Surely the most inexperienced attack for many many years.

At least Alec has made another 50 and is still there (1430 hrs)

See you Sunday at Whitby

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: Les from Hull
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 09:13 AM

Don't forget that England have about 7 capped England fast bowlers unavailable for injury (and retirement). I'm not sure that we can bowl South Africa out easily unless we get a bit of help from the conditions or the South Africans themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 14 Aug 03 - 08:21 PM

Yes Ed, I'd agree with that. It will also be interesting to see how the pitch plays. I backed SA a few posts ago but an England win is a real possibility.

I still think that SA has the stronger attack - have always liked Sean Pollock's accurate and disciplined bowling and perhaps as an outside one have been impressed with this Hall (not forgetting the man who took 10 wickets at Lords...)

Batting for SA, Smith must be due a failure, even if only statistically...

As an aside, there have been baseball vs cricket comments. I never knew till today that some Aussie players have played both and to a high standard. Richie Benaud is apparently a fan of baseball and on C4 today recalled a time when the touring cricket team actually beat the SA national baseball team at their own game!

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 14 Aug 03 - 03:31 PM

Indeed!

Very pleased for Hussain that he got his century. Let's hope that he makes it a double.

If we play well tomorrow, I think that we could win this (I really do). So far (this series) South Africa haven't had to bat with any pressure. It'll be interesting to see how they react if there is some.

Ever the optimist...

Ed

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 14 Aug 03 - 03:02 PM

A much better day :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: Sooz
Date: 14 Aug 03 - 10:02 AM

Well, we've had the early collapse but now we are into a record breaking partnership for the 3rd wicket. Hope it lasts!

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 14 Aug 03 - 08:51 AM

Jon, I agree the present Aussie side and the Windies of the Sobers era would have been a hell of a game, but then again as in every field of Sport the present day teams are light years ahead.
Still think i`m right about the past 50 years. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: Sooz
Date: 14 Aug 03 - 07:39 AM

I blame the selectors!

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 13 Aug 03 - 06:45 PM

Sooz, although I think SA have played well, I think England are capable of much better (to the point I think some of our play has been embarrisingly bad) than thier last 2 showings in this series. I would back SA to win but, whatever, I don't think it will as one sided as the last 2 (OK I know one was a draw) tests.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: Sooz
Date: 13 Aug 03 - 04:46 PM

What about the test match starting at Trent Bridge tommorow? I have a ticket for Saturday - will I be able to use it or will it be all over?

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 05:00 PM

Ard, I think we are going to go round in circles. Steve Waugh's record is fantastic, Australia have been the best team by a considerable margin for a number of years, etc.

Where I have a problem with is the statement that "the dominant force in Cricket for the past 50 years has been the Aussies". The problem I have is that in part of this period, using Ed's statistics, Australia slumped as low as 6th in the world and the West Indies were untouchable.

Even if we were looking at the best team overall, I don't believe it is clear cut that Australia come out #1 and WI #2. As far as I'm concerned, both teams have had periods of brilliance in that period.

What of course would have been great would have been to the the 2 greatest sides in my memory - the 80s WI and current Australia play each other.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 03:19 PM

Jon, Looking through the Test Records no one comes close to Steve Waughs record number of wins as Australias Captain,

Matches played, 34, Won 24, Lost 5, Drew 5.
Have a look, the Aussies are sreets ahead. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 12:46 PM

Depending on how you choose to measure it, I think that the 'best team over the last 50 years' would be a pretty close run thing between Australia and the Windies.

This site provides some interesting stats. Compare 1946 - 1979 with 1980 - 1999 for example.

Ed
(who grew up wanting to be Viv Richards)

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 09:51 PM

ard, maybe I didn't say it explicitly but I would certainly say that Australia have not always been second to none over that period. this article by Imran Khan may be of interest to you.

Jon

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 09:20 AM

Ah, for the days on the pitch. For gentlemen
in white flannels, bowling and batting.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 06 Aug 03 - 09:08 AM

Jon You didn`t dispute the fact that Australia are second to none in the past 50 years, and yes I know all about Hall and Viv Richards, and Jim Laker`s 19 wickets on a doctored wicket at Old Trafford and from memory Tony Lock took the remaining wicket.
Sure the Windies had a great sides with the likes of Worrel Weekes Sobers, Lloyd etc, but overall in the past fifty years the Aussie record is without parallel.
Don`t get me wrong, I know my Cricket, I could bowl you a few chinamen any day. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: GUEST,Strollin' Johnny
Date: 06 Aug 03 - 07:58 AM

Sooz - now look what you started.
Curleigh

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 07:08 PM

Ard, you know little and are blinded by your own hatred of England.

In the period you talk about, the WI were at one time the best in the world. Nobody would have wanted to face the bombardment from the likes of Holding with the ball and Richards with the bat. Even English kids who followed cricked wanted to be like Viv or like Clive Lloyd...

SA cricket has had its ups and downs because of past disgusting attitudes over race (I mean I could never support apartheid) but they have been strong and produced some fine players. Look up the records of Graeme Pollock and Barry Richards. SA are not starting now as an emerging country but as a country that has put past troubles behind it.


Jon

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 03:43 PM

When was the last time England beat the Aussies in a Test Series?, Faith, it proves damm little if you beat this emerging South Africans, the dominant force in Cricket for the past 50 years has been the Aussies, with the Windies in second place. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 11:04 AM

"Oh come ye of little faith" - it's based on a whole series and it's early days yet. I will remain optimistic and enjoy it, whatever, it's the sport I follow, not a country.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 04 Aug 03 - 02:06 PM

I was being kind, so an even bloody bleaker future. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Aug 03 - 09:17 AM

Ard your just a sad negative Bastard

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 03 Aug 03 - 04:07 PM

Walloped again, South Africa are supposed to be re-building their Side, looks like a bleak future for England. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 02 Aug 03 - 06:56 PM

Vaughan can still get a result out of this. But only if Graeme Smith has done a Lilley or a Cronje and put a few quid on England.

Spaw, re yacht racing - our beloved Prince Philip once likened it to having a shower with your clothes on, while tearing up large-value banknotes.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Aug 03 - 04:39 PM

Shouldn`t be problem for England 510 , it is a pity there best man will be having a few days off,no rain forecast. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 02 Aug 03 - 07:41 AM

Yep, maybe we will pick up a little now...

And Ed, I too feel sorry for Vaughan in his first test as captain.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Aug 03 - 07:36 AM

YES!!!!

Graeme Smith is out.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 02 Aug 03 - 07:20 AM

Make that two, Jon.

Add Stewart being hit in the face, and having to go off. And we can't even use our second choice keeper (Trescothick) because he's got a broken finger.

It's pitiful.

I feel really sorry for Vaughan.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 02 Aug 03 - 06:24 AM

I see we have already been treated to a bad dropped catch this morning...

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 01 Aug 03 - 04:59 PM

Stick to the one day stuff, test cricket is proving too much

No. When we finally get around to winning the Ashes, (and we will, eventually) it will be far sweeter because of the last 15 years

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Aug 03 - 04:53 PM

Poor old England, looks like another complete rout. Stick to the one day stuff, test cricket is proving too much. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 01 Aug 03 - 03:03 PM

Hmmm, didn't do too well in my predictions, did I?

Worse than yesterday, if anything...

I had to listen to the old 'Spitting Image' song (direct link to a 2MB mp2 file) to cheer myself up...

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: A Wandering Minstrel
Date: 01 Aug 03 - 07:58 AM

Guest Ed: if only that was true :) or it could rain solidly all weekend and get us another draw. Young Mr Vaughan must be feeling quite sick!

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: Trevor
Date: 01 Aug 03 - 04:33 AM

Typical - bloody weather forecast says that cloud cover will lift..

I've watched cricket in Corfu by the way. There's a thriving cricket club in Corfu town (or there was a few years ago) and they play on a bit of grass in the middle of the town.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: Sooz
Date: 01 Aug 03 - 03:47 AM

Ed - I also remember 1981 when Botham rekindled the Ashes. What do you think to recalling Mike Brearley as captain? It worked then ........

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 08:00 PM

LOL Ed, but an early breakthrough in the AM would be nice.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 05:33 PM

Flintoff will get 5 for 17 tomorrow, and they'll only make 220.

Hussain will then get 200, with an England total of 500+ and then Giles will spin South Africa out on the final afternoon.

We'll win the Ashes next time too!

You can always dream...

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 04:25 PM

Another disaster looming for England, three days will suffice for a South Africa win. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 02:14 PM

I agree Ed. At least Gough and Anderson got some runs.

Hussain dropping Smith early in his innings is looking quite costly now.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 01:52 PM

What a depressing day!

I'm an eternal optimist regarding English cricket (I was at an impressionable age in the summer of 1981).

But, please!

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Jul 03 - 10:45 AM

And here is another version of "Cricket Lovely Ctricket" by Prince Far I:

"Cricket lovely cricket
And this is how I saw it.
England has tries their best
But West Indies has won the Test.
In fact the series me a tell you.

Under heavy bowling,
So me track Mr. Golden,
Fi go ask bout the bowling
He said check Mr. Holding
And let me tell you bout the heavy heavy bowling:
How is that Umpire?
Clean bowl!

So I man dolly down and hold meself a radio,
And go down a beach,
As soon as I reach down there, one more wicket gone.
Michael Holding me a tell you iya, yeah.
Say him juggle under heavy heavy bowling
What a heavy heavy heavy heavy heavy bowling
From the man called Michael Holding.

Boy me a tell you the wicket dem fly like lightning
Boy me a tell you is a first time the wickets fly so
It s a record!
Fourteen wickets in one series.
Me a tell you, bwoy, the dreadlocks him heavier than lead
And him dreader than dread
Let me tell you bout the man call Michael Holding,
Him full of bowling
Heavy heavy bowling, yeah.
Me a tell you bout a man call Michael Holding.

So I man dolly down a beach with I man radio
As soon as I reach down there,
Another wicket gone
Michael Holding again me tell you:
How is that Umpire?
Clean bowl!

England has tried their best,
But West Indies has won the Test.
In fact the series.
But seeya, but must, of course
Yeah.

Cricket lovely cricket.
And this year I really saw it.
And this is how I really know it.
Yeah."

And here is an article by Stuart Hall, about Cricket and the West Indies contribution to the way it is played and watched and celebrated in song- Calypso kings

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Jul 03 - 09:56 AM

I don't mean he wrote "a version of Here's to Cheshire", he wrote the song itself, and it is a version of the Frog's Courtship.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Jul 03 - 09:15 AM

There are other cricket songs. Leslie Haworth from Cheshire - who wrote a verion of HERE'S TO CHESHIRE, a version of The Frog's Courtship, which is in the DT, but without his name on it - wrote at least one good one. I think the Spinners recorded it.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: artbrooks
Date: 30 Jul 03 - 08:41 AM

So far, Rapaire's first post has made the most sense to me...

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 30 Jul 03 - 08:29 AM

Found at Cric Info for the benefit of Guest Noddy

This calypso was written after the Windies won the test in
1950 against England at Lords.

==========================================================

VICTORY CALYPSO - Egbert Moore ("Lord Beginner")

Cricket lovely Cricket,
At Lord's where I saw it;
Cricket lovely Cricket,
At Lord's where I saw it;
Yardley tried his best
But Goddard won the test.
They gave the crowd plenty fun;
Second Test and West Indies won.

Chorus:With those two little pals of mine
       Ramadhin and Valentine.

The King was there well attired,
So they started with Rae and Stollmeyer;
Stolly was hitting balls around the boundary;
But Wardle stopped him at twenty.
Rae had confidence,
So he put up a strong defence;
He saw the King was waiting to see,
So he gave him a century.

Chorus:With those two little pals of mine
       Ramadhin and Valentine.

West Indies first innings total was three-twenty-six
Just as usual
When Bedser bowled Christiani
The whole thing collapsed quite easily;
England then went on,
And made one-hundred-fifty-one;
West Indies then had two-twenty lead
And Goddard said, "That's nice indeed."

Chorus:With those two little pals of mine
       Ramadhin and Valentine.

Yardley wasn't broken-hearted
When the second innings started;
Jenkins was like a target
Getting the first five in his basket.
But Gomez broke him down,
While Walcott licked them around;
He was not out for one-hundred and sixty-eight,
Leaving Yardley to contemplate.

Chorus:The bowling was superfine
       Ramadhin and Valentine.

West Indies was feeling homely,
Their audience had them happy.
When Washbrook's century had ended,
West Indies voices all blended.
Hats went in the air.
They jumped and shouted without fear;
So at Lord's was the scenery
Bound to go down in history.

Chorus:After all was said and done
       Second Test and the West Indies won!

Nigel

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 30 Jul 03 - 08:22 AM

Cricket????
Thats not Folk Music?
Is it??

Am I on the wrong web page again? The Womens Institute still dont forgive me! But it was an honest mistake . Anyone could have done it.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone for cricket?
From: Cluin
Date: 29 Jul 03 - 07:57 PM

We have Lacrosse. Less rules. More violence.