Subject: Angelina Baker variations From: Nora Date: 21 Aug 98 - 10:49 PM Does anyone have any versions or verses or tunes/stories related to Angelina Baker / Angeline the baker theme? I checked the database; we're still looking around for more. Thanks. Nora |
Subject: RE: Angelina Baker variations From: Barry Finn Date: 21 Aug 98 - 11:14 PM Nora, it's in the DT, use the search box in the upper right hand corner of your screen. You may also want to check out Stephen Foster, for his lyrics. Barry |
Subject: RE: Angelina Baker variations From: Joe Offer Date: 22 Aug 98 - 01:35 AM Click here for the lyrics in DT. I only found one version here, and I assume Nora also found that but it looking for more information. Right, Nora? -Joe Offer- |
Subject: Lyr/Tune Add: ANGELINA BAKER (Stephen Foster) From: Joe Offer Date: 22 Aug 98 - 02:32 AM ANGELINA BAKER Stephen Foster, 1850 Away down on de old plantation, Dah's where I was born, I used to beat de whole creation Hoein' in de corn: Oh! den I work and den I sing So happy all de day. 'Til Angelina Baker came And stole my heart away. chorusI've seen my Angelina in de springtime and de fall, I've seen her in de cornfield and I've seen her at de ball; And ebry time I met her she was smiling like de sun, But now I'm left to weep a tear cayse Angelina's gone. Angelina am so tall, she nebber sees de ground, She habe to take a wellumscope to look down on de town. Angelina likes de boys as far as she can see dem, She used to run old Massa roud to ax him for to free dem. Early in de morning ob a lubly summer day I ax for Angelina, and dey say, "She's gone away." I don't know wha to find her, Cayse I don't know wha she's gone, She left me here to weep a tear and beat on de old jaw bone. From "A Treasury of Stephen Foster" (Random House, 1946, notes by John Tasker Howard):MIDI file: ANGELI~1.MID Timebase: 192 Name: Angelina Baker This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X:1
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Subject: RE: Angelina Baker variations From: Joe Offer Date: 22 Aug 98 - 02:40 AM There is a recording of "Angeline the Baker" on the Folk-Legacy CD, "The New Golden Ring: Five Days Singing." Lyrics are the same as what's in the Digital Tradition database. Here's what the CD notes say: This is an old Eck Dunford tune with possible Negro origins. Frank George, fiddler from West Virginia, calls it "Angeline" and gives it Scottish overtones. In some parts of West Virginia it is called "Angeline Baker," thus causing some friction between fiddlers when it is played. The tune was played only as an instrumental; the words are a comparatively recent addition. There is a Stephen Foster song called "Angelina Baker," and the tune may have some derivision from that, or perhaps it's the other way around. (notes by Sara Grey)-Joe Offer- For a good time, click here. |
Subject: RE: Angelina Baker variations From: Mountain Dog Date: 24 Aug 98 - 10:59 AM Hi, Nora There's a version of "Angelina Baker" recorded by the Critton Hollow String Band on their first or second album. The lyrics are essential the same as those found in the DT, but the mock-dialect pronunciation has been dropped in favor of an Appalachian twang. Unfortunately, I don't have either of CHSB's first two albums in my possession any longer, so can't be of much assistance with titles or record labels... Good luck with your research. |
Subject: RE: Angelina Baker variations From: Nora Date: 25 Aug 98 - 03:31 PM Thanks all, I am indeed looking for other related or possibly related stuff, and I did check the database first, and have heard a couple of recordings that don't vary that much. Often I hear it as a fiddle tune with no lyrics. Thanks, Joe, for the notes from the songbook and all the information. Sure it's a nonsense song, but the underlying story about a slave whose wife/lover/whatever is sold away and the hints the song contains about the woman Angelina has fascinated a songwriter pal and she has written a couple of extra verses and is looking for more to the story if it can be found. Nora |
Subject: RE: Angelina Baker variations From: masato sakurai Date: 19 Oct 02 - 11:53 AM The Levy Collection has the earliest known copy: Title: Foster's Plantation Melodies. No.4. Angelina Baker. Composer, Lyricist, Arranger: Written, Composed & Arranged by Stephen C. Foster. Publication: Baltimore: F.D. Benteen, 1850. Form of Composition: strophic with chorus Instrumentation: piano and voice First Line: Way down on de old plantation Dah's where I was born First Line of Chorus: Angelina Baker! Angelina Baker's gone Performer: As Sung by the Christy Minstrels. Plate Number: 1674 Subject: African Americans Subject: Caricatures Subject: Courtship & love Subject: Slavery Call No.: Box: 067 Item: 003 There's a song sheet (without music) at American Memory: Angelina Baker. [song sheet] ~Masato |
Subject: Lyr Add: ANGELINE THE BAKEGIRL From: GUEST,Richie Date: 20 Oct 02 - 12:02 AM Here's some info from my website: Angelina Baker (Angeline the Bakegirl) Old-Time; Song, Breakdown based on "Angelina Baker" by Stephen Foster. Virginia. CATEGORY: Fiddle and Instrumental Tunes; DATE: 1850; RECORDING INFO: Bay 727, "Kenny Hall and the Sweet Mills String Band." Beet 7003, "Wretched Refuse." County 201, J.W. Spangler (Va.) - "The Old Virginia Fiddlers." Rounder 0400, "Pickin' Around the Cookstove." Spudchucker Productions, Bert Edwards (N.C.) - "Bert's Bombaree" (appears as "Rocky Road"). Rounder C-11565, Stuart Duncan - "Rounder Fiddle" (1990). Tennvale 002, Roaring Fork Ramblers- "Galax 73."Austen, Seth. Appalachian Fiddle Tunes for Finger Style Guitar, Kicking Mule KM 174, LP (1982), cut# 4 (Angelina Baker). Deseret String Band. Utah Trail, Okehdokee --, LP (197?), cut# 5. Edmonds, Norman. Train on the Island, Davis Unlimited DU 33002, LP (197?), cut# 13. George, Franklin/Frank. Traditional Music for Banjo, Fiddle & Bagpipes, County C-2703, Cas (1992), cut#A.04 (Angeline). George, Franklin/Frank. Traditional Music for Banjo, Fiddle and Bagpipes, Kanawha 307, LP (1967), cut#A.03. Hall, Kenny; and the Sweets Mill String Band. Kenny Hall and the Sweets Mill String Band, Bay TPH-727, LP (1973), cut#A.01. Kretzner, Leo; and Jay Leibovitz. Pigtown Fling, Green Linnet SIF 1019, LP (1979), cut#B.06. New Golden Ring. Five Days Singing - Vol. II, Folk Legacy FSI-042, LP (1971), cut# 2. Pickin' Around the Cookstove. Pickin' Around the Cookstove, Rounder 0040, LP (1975), cut# 7. Rain-Crow Countryside Band. Roustabout, Log Cabin 8005, LP (1977), cut#B.09b. Smith, Paul. Devil Eat the Groundhog, Rounder 0409, CD (1999), cut#19. Texas Jack & the Magic City Trio. Union Grove, The Hub of the Universe, Union Grove SS-4, LP (1970), cut# 14 OTHER NAMES: "Angeline," "Angelina Baker," "Rocky Road" (N.C.), "Coon Dog" (Va.), "Georgia Row," "Walk up Georgia Row," "Julie Ann Flan" "Einstein the Genius" "Julie Ann Johnson (Tune)" Related melody- Sailing On The Ocean ; Little Nell SOURCES: J.W. Spangler (Virginia) [Reiner & Anick]; Wretched Refuse String Band (N.Y.C.) [Brody]; Stuart Duncan [Phillips]. Brody (Fiddler's Fakebook), 1983; pg. 22 (2 versions). Johnson (The Kitchen Musician's Occasional: Waltz, Air and Misc.), Vol. 1, 1991; pg. 2. Krassen (Appalachian Fiddle), 1973; pg. 26-27(Angeline). Kuntz (Ragged but Right), 1987; pg. 341-342. Phillips (Traditional American Fiddle Tunes), 1994; pg. 15. Reiner & Anick (Old-Time Fiddling Across America), 1989; pg. 88. NOTES: D Major. Standard or ADAE. AABB. This old time song and tune was derived from a sentimental song by Stephen Foster, called "Angelina Baker," whose lyrics tell about a slave who is parted from her lover when sold. Foster's original song can be heard played by the Critton Hollow Stringband on their album "Sweet Home" (Yodel-Ay-Hee 002). A similar tune, or an alternate title, is the Patrick County, Va., "Coon Dog." The 'revival' version commonly played today by old-time style musicians comes from fiddler J.W. 'Babe' Spangler (1882-1970), of Patrick County, Virginia. See also the related "Little Betty Brown" and "Cousin Sally Brown." Recently I've found a link to the "Rockingham Cindy," "Way Down in Rockingham;" "Where'd You Get Your Whiskey," "Rocky Road Cindy." "I Get My Whiskey from Rockingham" family of tunes. There's also a minstrel song Walk Jawbone (Old Jawbone) with more info about the jawbone as an instrument Here are some lyrics for Angeline the Bakegirl: Angeline is handsome, Angeline is tall. They say she sprained her ankle while dancing at the ball. Angeline the Bakegirl, her age is forty two. They say she sprained her ankle while standing on her shoe. Her uncle is a baker, they call him Uncle Sam. He always drinks good whiskey when there is a dram. Her brother is a baker, they call him Brother Bill. He drinks and smokes and eats a lot, guess he always will. -Richie |
Subject: RE: Angelina Baker variations From: Louie Roy Date: 20 Oct 02 - 07:53 PM There is a good version played of (Angeline The Baker) (on the old time music midis archives)anyway it does give you the tune no lyrics |
Subject: RE: Angelina Baker variations From: Kaleea Date: 21 Oct 02 - 05:09 AM When I was quite young, my Grandad took me with him to the local fishin' hole. A couple of gentlemen sometimes were there, also and one with a guitar sang "Angeline the Baker" as I have never heard it sung otherwise. His melody had a flatted 3rd. noticeably on the words, "Love" and "all." It also had more of a dotted rhythm. I loved the way that geneleman sang the song. He sang so convincingly that I always thought he was singing about a real person--perhaps he was! Angeline the Baker, lives on the village green. Oh the way I LOVE that gal, beats ALL I've ever seen. |
Subject: RE: Angelina Baker variations From: GUEST,donfriedman@yahoo.com Date: 21 Sep 03 - 12:52 AM Hi, I'm learning this Stephen Foster song, using the terrific rendition by the Dry Branch Fire Squad. In one verse, it says (to paraphrase) that Angelina is so tall she has to use a wellumscope to look down on the town. Does anyone have any idea what a wellumscope is? Thanks. Don Friedman |
Subject: RE: Angelina Baker variations From: GUEST,Jeff Date: 21 Oct 08 - 07:46 AM I know this thread is older, but I wondered if anyone ever sussed out "wellumscope"? With the dialect, I suspected the original word may have been vellum scope, which lead me to imagine a magnifying glass holding that title... but I'm purely supposing, as I can't find confirmation of my guess anywhere. |
Subject: RE: Angelina Baker variations From: GUEST,Robin Mcc Date: 05 Feb 09 - 12:13 PM The wellumscope is the instrument that William Tell used to see great distances. His friend Galileo re-christened it the telescope. |
Subject: RE: Angelina Baker variations From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 05 Feb 09 - 12:49 PM Excellent mp3 midi, which can be downloaded- Angelina Baker The text page has a photo of the cover to the sheet music: Angelina Baker lyrics Sheet music at Levy Collection: ANGELINA BAKER This early Foster minstrel song spawned a number of folk and dance versions (see Richie post above). Originally a composed song, there is no page on it in the "Traditional Ballad Index." |
Subject: RE: Angelina Baker variations From: GUEST,tdixon Date: 10 Feb 09 - 09:42 PM CHOR: Angelina Baker, Angelina Baker x2 Angelina Baker lives On the village green The way the I love her Beats all to be seen. 2. Angelina Baker, Her age is forty-three I gave her candy by the peck, But she won't marry me. 3. She won't do the bakin', Because she is too stout She makes cookies by the peck And throws the coffee out. 4. The last time I saw her, It was at the county fair Her daddy chased me halfway home, And told me to stay there. 5. Angelina taught me to weep, And she taught me to moan Angelina taught me to weep And play on the old jawbone |
Subject: RE: Angelina Baker variations From: Mark Ross Date: 11 Feb 09 - 10:58 AM In New York City they used to sing, "Angelo the Narco, Badge 2183, Busted everyone in town, he ain't busted me." Mark Ross |
Subject: RE: Angelina Baker variations From: GUEST,Ralf Reinartz Date: 24 Mar 09 - 09:21 AM There is variation what is not in the data base I think. It is from Barbara Highbie. Pure Instrumental traditional played on Piano, Guitar and Fiddle. The Lyrics can be found here. http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/stephen-foster/014794.HTM Hope it will help |
Subject: RE: Angelina Baker variations From: GUEST,Ina Lewin Date: 12 May 09 - 10:10 AM V.1 Angeline the Baker, lives on the village green the way I've always loved her beats all you've ever seen Angeline the Baker, Angeline I know. I should have married Angeline just 20 years ago. Chorus - Angeline the Baker, age is 43 Fed her sugar Candy and she still won't marry me. Angeline the Baker, Angeline I know, I should have married Angeline just 20 years ago V.2 Her father was a baker, his name was Uncle Sam I never shall forget her no matter where I am She says she can't do hard work, because she is not stout She bakes the biscuits everyday, and pours the coffee out Chorus V.2 I bought Angeline a brand new dress, 'twas neither black nor brown It was the color of stormy skies before the rain came down. 16 horses in my pack, the leader he was blind. I dreamed that I was dying, I saw my Angeline. Chorus |
Subject: RE: Angelina Baker variations From: GUEST,john Date: 26 Aug 09 - 03:55 PM Got ten horses in my pack, Leader he is blind, Lord it nearly broke my heart when they sold my Angeline. Stephen Foster, as with Seeger family, and Lomax's and the Carter family, were little by way of craftspeople, and more by way of catalogers. Through the years the songs that they gathered have become intermingled with the songs that they indeed did write and/or arrange. It frustrates me a little to think that american cultural history was and maybe still is up for grabs. Stephen Foster is credited with many songs he didn't write. He did arrange them, adjust them to serve as minstrelsy, and to be consumed in american theaters and parlors, but my feeling is that to consider his versions definitive strictly because they were written down is to forget the importance of the songs as culture. |
Subject: RE: Angelina Baker variations From: open mike Date: 26 Aug 09 - 04:07 PM i have always found a connection between Angeline and the song "little rabbit..(where's your mammy...)" |
Subject: RE: Angelina Baker variations From: GUEST,Hootenanny Date: 26 Aug 09 - 04:25 PM "American cultural history is up for grabs" ??? The whole thing about this music that most of us include in the broad term 'Folk' is that there are no definitive versions. You mention the Seegers. I was at a club one evening when Mike and Peggy who was living in the UK performed together a song called Going to the West. I believe Peggy found this in a book, learnt it and taught it to Mike a few years earlier(it might have been the other way around). Anyway the point is that when they came to sing it together at first the two versions varied. Listen to any recording or performances by any of the several people that have sung it since and you will be lucky to find any two that match. It's called the folk process,or mis-hearing or mis-understanding or forgetting. That is how we get so many varying and often very interesting versions of songs and tunes. No matter how frustrating you find it a good song survives whatever. If you don't like one version try another. Hoot |
Subject: RE: Angelina Baker variations, origins From: Genie Date: 07 Mar 12 - 05:29 AM There's an ad running on a local radio station (KPOJ 620 AM in Portland) for a St. Patrick's gathering, and the music for this ad is fiddlers playing "Angelina Baker" - the tune I hear bluegrass and fiddlers do often. This made me wonder if this tune has Irish origins. (Or does whoever put the ad together, or the fiddler group themselves, think that anything with fiddles can pass for "Irish music?" Genie |
Subject: RE: Angelina Baker variations From: banjoman Date: 08 Mar 12 - 06:04 AM Love thie tune - its one of the best and easiest to use to teach banjo playing. I also use it as a break in an instrumental set - it fits well with so many other tunes. |
Subject: RE: Angelina Baker variations From: GUEST,Hootenanny Date: 08 Mar 12 - 02:22 PM Which tune? Another case of the folk process; I learned Angelina Baker, the one that seems to show up most regularly at sessions and had no problem with it. Then I heard another version which I believe is nearer to or possibly the original song by Stephen Foster (who was not Irish). I now sometimes have trouble getting one version out of my mind when attempting to sing the other. I think you are probably correct in your assumption that someone believes that any fiddle tune must be Irish. But then doesn't every fiddle tune sound the same to the uninitiated. Hoot |
Subject: RE: Angelina Baker variations From: Genie Date: 08 Mar 12 - 09:00 PM Here's the tune they're using to advertise an upcoming St. Pat's event: Angelina Baker - fiddle lesson Angelina Baker, Nashville Bluegrass Band The ad plays it a little slower, with just fiddles - no mandolins, but it still sounds "bluegrass" to me more than Irish (though I realize there's a lot of overlap in bluegrass and Irish tunes). |
Subject: RE: Angelina Baker variations From: Janie Date: 08 Mar 12 - 10:51 PM Angelina Baker (the fiddle tune) was one of the first old-time tunes I learned on autoharp back when I could still play. It might be done by bluegrass bands also, but in my book it is first and foremost an old time dance tune. I'm an ignorant git about origins of music. I was shocked to learn only a few years ago that Stephen Foster wrote a song by the same name, and had to listen hard to Stephen Foster "versions" before I was convinced the fiddle tune (and the few lyrics I associated with it) were related to the Stephen Foster tune. YOutube really doesn't have a good selection of old-time Appalachian string music. Bluegrass dominates, and the technology wasn't there before many of the old-time fiddlers in my neck of the woods at the time (West Virginia) had died. Here is one pretty decent Old Time fiddle rendering of the tune from YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TDk1ePxgNs Definitely not bluegrass and definitely not irish. |
Subject: RE: Angelina Baker variations From: GUEST,Cas Greenfield Date: 03 Apr 17 - 07:47 AM The best version I've EVER heard is Randy Van Warmer's on his Stephen Foster Songbook album, completed after his untimely death. (Randy passed on Fosters birthday...) Cas |
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