BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 18 Oct 03 - 09:19 PM

(I've got to quit doing that--whatever it is I did.)

Anyway, I'm embarrassed by Michael Moore sometimes, but I believe he bases his opinions on facts. Al Franken seems to document his statements well too. Limbaugh, though,is known for saying things contrary to fact -- like "There are more trees in North America than there were when Columbus discovered it," or words to that effect.

"Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat Liar" is a whole (documented) book about it. And before that there was a series of Doonesbury cartoons on Rush's lies, which I think Trudeau got from somebody else's research.

There's a difference between exaggeration and lies, between satire and lies, between jokes and lies.

clint

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 18 Oct 03 - 09:05 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: Peg
Date: 18 Oct 03 - 08:58 PM

Rush coined the term "femi-Nazis" as a way of referring to feminists. Neither Al Franken nor Michael Moore has ever uttered a similarly-offensive, insulting name at any group.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 18 Oct 03 - 01:42 PM

>>>OK Guest,AR282, I'm ignorant, don't watch tv, and I'm not a sports fan. Who is Pam Oliver and what did s/he say.<<<

She was interviewing some team's defensive line--I don't remember which team. They were almost all black and one white. As she went down the line, each recited what was obviously a rehearsed spiel about how he would crush the other team and strike fear in their hearts and all that stuff--really just boyish badinage meant for fun. When Oliver approached the last guy who was white, she cut him off before he could say anything and said, "And you're just the white guy, right?"

What was that about? What right did she have to belittle this man for his skin color? What had he ever done to her to deserve having his spiel ruined so she could crack a joke about his race? Nothing was said about it all. Then Limbaugh correctly points out the "social concern" (more like "racial agenda") of the NFL and he's history.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Oct 03 - 01:27 PM

Alternatively, in my case anyway, if I think they taste nasty, I pretty soon start to recognise that I disagree with them on some pretty important things.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: John Hardly
Date: 18 Oct 03 - 01:22 PM

yup. One rarely finds the taste of those with whom they agree...disagreeable.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Oct 03 - 12:39 PM

Don't know anything about Al Franken. Michael Moore I do - and I haven't actually come across many things in him that I'd want to attack him for. Essentially, while his approach is highly irreverent, it always seems fundamentally good-natured to me, even when he's in his full attack mode. And he never seems to shy away from difficult adversaries.

The occasional extracts I've seen from Limbaugh present him as a sneering and jeering bully. That's not just a matter of style, it's got a moral component. Bullying corrupts the body politic.

I don't think its possible to draw a line between what someone like that says and how they say it, and how they deal with other people. In this kind of context the medium really is the message.

I'd be perfectly happy to see people taking Michael Moore and his approach as a role-model. I suspect you'd be horrified to see people taking Limbaugh as one. And I'd feel the same if I came across an ostensibly left-wing Limbaugh (and I suspect there are some around).

Really it comes down to something I've raised a few times. It's very inadequate, I believe, to try to divide people and politics up just into left v right, and assume that that is what really matters. There are other distinctions which are just as important, such as authoritarian and libertarian. Just because on some left-right issues you might share some views with someone doesn't mean that they aren't your mortal enemies because of where they stand on other issues.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: John Hardly
Date: 18 Oct 03 - 11:41 AM

well, MofH,

I'm not sure how I would have to act to fit within your scenario of:

"Surely the moral of that is that, whatever your politics, or whatever kind of activity you are involved in, if you don't want to be dragged down in that way by people "on your side" who are poison, you make a point of standing up against them in good time, and challenging their right to speak for you. You don't wait till they are down and struggling to distance yourself from them, you lead the charge against them while they are strong."

I think your point is that, unfortunately there are often those with whom we do often find agreement -- but we don't want them to be speaking for us.

I'm confused. The point you are making is that they are often "on our side" in one way or another. I've often pointed out that the left has its own Limbaughs -- Michael Moore and Al Franken to name two - but the left doesn't see any correlation (between Moore/Franken and Rush) because they like those two and hate Rush. It goes no deeper than that.

So I'm not sufficiently distancing myself from Rush because I don't distance my self from EVERYTHING he says? Where's the line? How, for your satisfaction, do I sufficiently dis Rush?

Sure, there are other things I disagree with Rush on, but, for heaven's sake, do you think there's a public figure on either side that either side agrees with completely?

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Oct 03 - 10:24 AM

Well, it's a long old slog through the archives, John, and I'm quite ready to believe thhat you've been critical of the kind of things you mention above - "picking and choosing through the weaker opponents ...through call-screening and refusing interviews and debates").

However the impression I've got, and it could be wrong, is that your objection to Limbaugh has been merely aesthetic - "I turn Rush off", "he makes me cringe". And what you wrote in this thread chimes with that. And that would just be a case of "He might be a bastard, but he's our bastard".

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: toadfrog
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 10:30 PM

Glad to see you back, Doug R. It was boring watching people agree with each other all the time!

Of course, Rush never made me all that angry, because I never listened to him. If I weren't so ignorant, I might well be wishing him in hell, just like some of the above persons. Even George Will makes me quite angry enough.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: mack/misophist
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 10:25 PM

OK Guest,AR282, I'm ignorant, don't watch tv, and I'm not a sports fan. Who is Pam Oliver and what did s/he say.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 09:43 PM

I dislike Rush Limbaugh but he is not a racist as far as I can see. His comment about the media and McNabb is accurate--there is a social "concern" (read as "agenda") in the NFL or there wouldn't be a diversity committee and Matt Millen would never have been fined an outrageous sum for hiring Steve Mariucci after no black coach would interview for the job knowing they weren't going to get it.

The NFL is going to hell in a politically correct handbasket. And those who clap with glee because Limbaugh got whacked over a comment that wasn't the slightest bit racist (and I'm not white, folks, so spare me the lectures) are making a first amendment martyr out of this guy. If he really isn't worth anything, he should have been allowed to keep his job at ESPN because they deserve each other.

Pam Oliver made a true racist comment and nothing was even said about it. They attacked him only because he's Rush Limbaugh. And if we allow them to do this, who will speak on your behalf when you get whacked over some innocuous thing you said that was deemed politically incorrect? The attacks on Limbaugh are ad hominem and therefore invalid.

The most racist things in this country are the networks. Racist organizations--all of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: John Hardly
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 09:23 PM

MofH,


I think if you were to take the boring ride down my posting history here at mudcat (via the archives) I think you'd find that...

-most of my posts are critical of Rush, though...

-some of them acknowledge that the information he reiterates is not always wrong just because it is he who states it.

In almost every case where I am thought to be "defending Rush", it is merely some other poster making that (wrong) assumption.

I may, on occasion, have "defended" what I knew to be a false assumption I saw in another's assertions about Rush.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 07:26 PM

"for us there has always been a bit of a 'cringe factor' with accepting his style.

That implies that you did accept it. Why? If you have a dog that bites people, it is your duty to do what you can to stop that happening, not to wait until someone else does so, and then explain that you never really liked the way it behaved.

All right you couldn't stop him - but you could have raised your voices against him. I've often seen people on the Mudcat saying how they despise Rush Limbaugh - but they didn't seem to be coming from peopoe who would describe themselves as conservatives.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 07:11 PM

John Hardly: George Will wrote an essay this week, clearly cringing at arnold being labeled a "conservative." It's tearing him to pieces.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: John Hardly
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 06:47 PM

Nicole,
Oh, I agree with you. And I would never want to imply that I'm back-pedaling on him BEING a conservative. Just that there are many of us who have been conservative for scores of years longer than Rush has been around and for us there has always been a bit of a "cringe factor" with accepting his style.

My mom for instance was the chariman of the Goldwater '64 campaign in Indy. She could not listen to the man. She thought his humor juvenile (she HATED junior high type humor), his referrences to God and religion she found bordering on blasphemous at worst and really poor theology at best, and she never liked bitter people.

Of course, she never liked Bush junior or senior -- saw them as "trojan horses" (li'l self depricatin' humor there :^). She died before 2000. I'll never know what she thought of the Bush presidency -- but I can guess she wouldn't have cared much for it. She'd probably feel trapped between disliking Bush and disliking the left's reasons for hating Bush (li'l more humor there).

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: NicoleC
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 05:33 PM

I can see your point, John, but Rush has become such an icon of conservatism -- particularly in the eyes of conservatives -- that to here many conservatives suddenly backpedalling and trying to pretend he isn't one of THEM is very funny. When he's popular, he's a conservative darling.

Almost every conversation I have with a conservative outisde of Mudcat includes the phrase "Well, Rush says...", so it's hard to suddenly decide that Rush isn't a drug-addicted *conservative.* Now I hear all the Rush fans welling up with sympathy for him, when they wouldn't offer a shred of sympathy to a drug addict without a popular radio show.

Perhaps Rush will become more compassionate about the issue himself, but I wouldn't hold your breath. He'll come out saying HE was a STRONG individual and FOUGHT it off -- while still wanting to preserve quality drug rehab for only those with money to buy.

I hope Rush doesn't go to jail, though. Maybe it's funny and ironic, but I still don't think that prison is a very smart way of dealing with a public health issue.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: John Hardly
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 05:00 PM

"I am truly curious as to whether anyone is piling on"

I think that Doug's observation was limited to present company.


Perhaps the "mudcat liberal" never made any claims to being compassionate. Hence, the preponderance of this thread is not hypocritical -- rather, consistant.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: TIA
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 04:28 PM

Actually Doug, the bleeding heart liberals' hearts are bleeding even for Rush. Have you heard any commentator on any radio or TV station, or in any newspaper or magazine savage Rush the way he would surely do if it were a well know liberal? Please provide me with a specific reference if not a blue clicky.

And please don't just cite postings above - most are quite empathetic, and no one here has the forum that Rush does.

Not just trying to pin you down (although I suspect this might), I am truly curious as to whether anyone is piling on. If they are, your charge of hypocrisy is warranted.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 04:15 PM

His former housekeeper said that Limbaugh had gone into Rehab at least twice during the years she worked for him. Third time's the charm, maybe?

DougR, I may be mistaken (I think not!) but I don't recall you once exhibiting compassion toward the liberal side when they took a blow. Maybe it's because conservatives don't have a reputation for empathy?

If you can :), so can I. :)

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: GUEST,harpy
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 02:58 PM

Hi Roger! Nice to see you still hanging about! I also enjoyed your comments and certainly agree with what you say about ego getting in the way of conquering drug habits! With that in mind I have been thinking about Rush and I am wondering whether he will really get cured in 30 days. To truly be fixed he will have to change his personality, don't you think? This means of course, that his views may change! If he gets cured, I'm predicting he will become a more sensitive individual. Maybe his show will morph the way Oprah's did!!!

Also fascinated by Lady jean's experiences and glad to see our conservative minority buddy, DougR, is still looking in despite being smitten and otherwise preoccupied! Oh, and Doug, if I were your secret Santa, I would send you Michael Moore's new book, "Dude, Where's My Country?" It's a hoot!


love harpgirl

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 02:33 PM

Russ Limbaugh is fortunately a closed book to us here, but I recognise the type. We have them too, though here they tend to be confined mostly within the crappier papers.

But John Hardly's point about "In public discourse it has become too easy to attack 'conservatism' by association with Rush" set me thinking.

Surely the moral of that is that, whatever your politics, or whatever kind of activity you are involved in, if you don't want to be dragged down in that way by people "on your side" who are poison, you make a point of standing up against them in good time, and challenging their right to speak for you. You don't wait till they are down and struggling to distance yourself from them, you lead the charge against them while they are strong.

"He might be a bastard, but he's our bastard" is as false and deadly a fallacy as that other one "My enemy's enemy is my friend". The first gives you people like Ross Limbaugh. The second gives you Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: jaze
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 02:30 PM

He goes too far, Doug. What irks me is how some of his supporters are claiming how he should be commended for "admitting" his addiction and going into Rehab. He did not admit anything. If it had not been reported he would still be continuing his illegal actions. He could afford the best treatment possible, but he didn't until forced to. I see nothing admirable about it. He broke the law in a big way. No different than a junkie on the street. A moralistic hypocrite!

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: DougR
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 02:10 PM

And a good time is being had by all! I haven't see so much joy expressed since the thread reporting that Rush had lost his hearing. So what happened to the compassion liberals are so fond of touting?

:>)

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 01:31 PM

Rush Limbaugh is a terrible thing to be inflicted with.
Or afflitted with.

Screw him. That's juist the sort of response Rush would give-
so its more than appropriate.

Best, Greg

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: Roger in Baltimore
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 11:58 AM

I don't wish drug addiction on anyone, even someone I find as disagreeable as Rush. The philosophy of "he got his" is similar to "an for an eye" which leaves us all blind.

I would hope his addiction would make Rush more sympathetic to those who may have acquired their addiction in another manner. I haven't yet met a heroin user who thought "I can't wait to get addicted to this stuff" (and in my work I have met thousands of heroin addicts). There is always a self-delusion of "it won't happen to me." Rush had the same self-delusion about Vicodin, but the monkey jumped right on his back.

I don't think Rush will become sympathetic. It is more likely that he will feel his 28 days have cured him and he will fall back into the same hole. It is hard to predict when someone will finally cross the line into true recovery. However, ego is one of the things that gets in the way.

I wish him well.

Roger in Baltimore

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: John Hardly
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 10:26 AM

I am hoping (and half praying) that Rush gets away with NOTHING. I think that in the long run, were he to lose his radio program by virtue of his inability to execute it from inside a jail cell, it would be a good thing for conservatives.

In public disacourse it has become too easy to attack "conservatism" by association with Rush -- it is a knee-jerk reaction of liberals to alomost immediately argue points by arguing against Rush -- not philosophies and beliefs. Interesting, but this is the same thing that many accuse Rush of -- picking and choosing through the weaker opponents (he does it through call-screening and refusing interviews and debates. Liberals do it by arguing all of conservatism by collectively attacking us "ad-hominem" with Rush being our "hominem").

And I really wish the right would give up any future notions of trying to "get" liberals by scandle-mongering. End the cycle now. It is so dispicable to engender glee over the other side's foibles (and thereby assuming moral superiority).

It is time for the right to understand that in this continuous cycle of "well he did it too/first", juvenile rationaliztions, that what the right holds as moral behavior is not the same thing as what the left holds as moral behavior. For that reason (if not for many others) it is time for the right to hold their own leadership to the standards they require...

...and quit being immature just because the left does not have the same moral standards. They never claimed to. We did.

Whether we (on the right) liked or dislike Rush, we will get to eat crow for at least the rest of our life.

Hope we're hungry.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: Coyote Breath
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 01:59 AM

Oddly, I feel sorry for him. Well, sorry for him if he is aware of the humiliating shame that must come now that his addiction is known. I always thought he was... a jerk! nothing more or less. Not a very interesting jerk either. I don't think his being a jerk had anything to do with his becomming a Vicodin addict.

Addiction is a terrible thing to be inflicted with. Whether it's self infliction or not doesn't matter once that monkey is on your back.

That's a hell I'd wish on NO-ONE.

Maybe he'll become a more thoughtful person after he has fought this off. I hope he CAN fight it. I think, though, that he really hasn't the inner strength he'll need.

CB

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: DonMeixner
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 12:50 AM

So isn't it ironic that in Rushes mind it is ok for him to be a drug user even when drug use starts most often as a personal lifestyle choice. The same type of lifestyle choice he percieves homosexuality to be.

Of course it will be OK because his was an accidental addiction.

Don

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: LadyJean
Date: 16 Oct 03 - 11:59 PM

When I was 16, I had an argument about feminism with a sexist DJ called Jeff Christie.
I'm sure some of you know that Christie was a pseudomnym. The guy's real name was Rush Limbaugh.
Unlike the king of the Groovy QV jocks, Jim Quinn, Limbaugh was nothing to look at. He was short on charm, and wit. His looks kept him fromt the promotions the station did at department stores, and other places. His lack of charm and wit meant his show wasn't as popular as other jocks'.
Rush Limbaugh is a failed A.M. rock jockey. If he'd been a little better looking, or a little funnier, he might still be playing all the hits all the time, instead of spewing all the hate all the time.
But Rush did me a kindness.
I stopped listening to that A.M. rock station, and focussed on folk music. I've never looked back.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Oct 03 - 11:12 PM

Did you see this? (Yahoo News)

HEADLINE: Painkillers May Have Caused Rush's Deafness

Doctors over the past several years have reported dozens of cases of Vicodin addicts who became deaf and, in some cases, only regained their hearing with the help of cochlear implants such as the ones received by Limbaugh.


"It's pretty clear that there is this association," says Dr. Jeffrey Harris, an ear specialist at the University of California, San Diego Medical School. "The ear is sensitive to drugs, and this particular association with Vicodin has become more relevant as people are getting their hands on it as a recreational drug."

Ironic, isn't it.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: Blackcatter
Date: 04 Oct 03 - 04:06 PM

What everyone seems to forget is that Rush is in the "entertainment" side of broadcasting. Not the news. There is no telling if any of his statements are based on his personal beliefs. He is presenting a entertainment package to the public, this can be (but is not neccesarily) outside his own feelings, opinions, as well as the actual truth of the situation.

We can assume that he generally believes what he says publicly, but he is under no obligation to do so, anymore than any other tv or radio "personality," actor, game show host or reality show contestant.

That people believe him it their own karma. That he is influential is embarassing since people seemingly equate him with actual news persons who are expected to relate facts.

He is no different than Howard Stern or John Boy and Billy or any of the thousands of other djs & radio hosts out there.

Thank goodness for NPR . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: musicmick
Date: 04 Oct 03 - 03:11 AM

The most interesting aspect of Limbaugh's comments was that he was so wrong. Any long time football fan could have told him that, while there is an "affermative action" atmosphere in the area of NFL head coaches (the league has even fined one team for not interviewing black candidates for their head coaching position), there is no such public clamor for black quarterbacks. There was some mention of the dearth of black QBs when the only steadily employed one was Warren Moon. But the emergence of Randal Cunningham and the subsequent arrival of McNair, Peete, McNabb, Vick and a dozen others has made the question moot. So, if Limbaugh was doing a rant on press inspired racial pandering (one of his favorite topics), he picked the wrong area and the wrong choir to preach to. You will have to make up your own minds on whether opposition to preferential treatment of a wronged minority constitutes bigotry. I have lived long enough to avoid blanket condemnation of those poor souls who fail to agree with me on all subjects. That tolerance is one of the many differences between me and Mr. Limbaugh. For those who are more offended by Limbaugh's remarks, I suggest they may be confusing foolishness and malice.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: Art Thieme
Date: 04 Oct 03 - 01:33 AM

It is simple and unadulterated revenge, Ron. Nothing more and nothing less. I, like Utah Phillips, gloated and felt just great when I heard on the news that when Generalisimo Franco of Spain was, alas, finally, on his deathbed he was "IN EXCRUCIATING PAIN !!! I was glad that was the case then. And I will be glad if Rush has the world's worst withdrawal symptoms ever. That is why I am against the death penalty. A life sentence is a great way to rub the vicious mongrel's noses in the foul stuff they have propogated. **BIG SMILE**

Art ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: Deda
Date: 04 Oct 03 - 12:41 AM

How can any human being be glad at his suffering and at the same time find compassion for someone on the street with the same problem?

It isn't only his hypocricy that makes him contemptible rather than just pitiable. It's his constant, self-congratulatory, ego-driven bombast, the fact that his years of spewing hate across the airwaves and, God help us, polluting the tone of national dialogue by contagion have made him a very rich man. If some guy were screaming his exact same line of BS anonymously from a corner bar, and then turned out to have been coercing his househeld help into obtaining illegal drugs for him, I'd still be disgusted but it wouldn't matter much, it would be easy to ignore, and I'd support whatever treatment program seemed to work. Rush, though, imho, has really had a detrimental effect on the nation, and is dishonest to the core about everything.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 05:51 PM

I always suspected this one was at something, but never quite got the whole picture. Now I know, it all makes sense - the bad days, the outbursts, the slamming of callers and the foul stench of filth from of those who praise his show!

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 05:15 PM

Tia, free speech does not mean you are limited to your own time slot. Free speech gives you the right to speak your mind. Limbaugh did speak his mind in this case - his comments went out over the air.

However, this is not a case of free speech. The free speech is owned by ABC in this particular case, not the individuals. Football is a sports program and presented for entertainment value.   Limbaugh WAS a paid employee of that network. The "producers" have a right to present what they feel is appropriate.   If I went to the producer and said I want 5 minutes to speak my mind, I would be turned down - and rightfully so.

The other "fact" is that Limbaugh resigned. He may have been given the option of either resigning or being fired, but we will probably never really know the truth.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: TIA
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 05:06 PM

The comment was not particularly racist IMO. He says far, far worse for three hours weekdays.

What I'm finding stunningly ironic is the way he and the right-wing media are screaming that he's being censored by the politically-correct lobby, that his right to free speech is being limited, blah, blah, bah. In fact, he got to scream that for 3 hours today.

He's go the right to free speech (he's not in jail is he?...well not yet, and not for his speech).

And his employer has the right to urge him to go if he is antagonizing the customer (the audience).

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 04:58 PM

Limbaugh is a spin doctor with a one track agenda. He is a hypocrite that thinks nothing of attacking his enemies but crys "foul" whenever someone lobs an attack on Bush.   I look forward to the day his show goes off the air.

I won't fall into the sickeningly gleeful "joy" that seems to be cropping up surrounding his alleged drug problem.   We become the same hypocrites when we use his problems to our advantage.   How can any human being be glad at his suffering and at the same time find compassion for someone on the street with the same problem?   Sure, Limbaugh is a hypocrite, but this is a different issue. I vehemently disagree with the man and his forum, but I don't find any comfort in his drug abuse.   If anything, I hope it will open his eyes to the suffering that people without his status and bank account go through.

Also, I sincerely doubt if Limbaugh's "resignation" was his choice. From my experience working at networks, I can tell you that no network would accept such a statement - even if it wasn't overtly meant to be racist. ABC knew what they were getting when they signed him to ESPN - and I'm also sure they expected something like this would happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: Nerd
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 03:29 PM

I agree with Blackcatter and also with Amos. The comment on ESPN was not particularly racist, but in being forced to resign over it he was hoist with his own petard.

Maybe the drugs helped him lost the weight. Because he's no longer really a big fat idiot. Just an idiot.

Oh, and a pill-popping hypocrite, too!

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: Amos
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 02:58 PM

It is fun because it exactly the kind of cream pie he is so fond of lobbing, --a mixture of inaccuracy, exaggeration, innuendo and negative hints so strong they smell like a fart. This is the kind of communication he is being hit with from his fellow media lizards, and it is the stock-in-trade with which he has excoriated hundreds of other people.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 02:54 PM

HAH!

At first I figured, "Well, now maybe that overinflated gasbag will finally shut the hell up!" Then on second thought, probably not. If he kept his mouth closed for more than about two minutes, he'd turn purple and his face would explode!

But it is kinda fun to see someone like that managed to hit his own face with cream pie.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 03:34 AM

Go easy on the poor yobbo---he's in the only job he was ever able to hold down for any little length of time----

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: Blackcatter
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 01:24 AM

Ya know,

I've never been a supporter of Rush. Dislike him intensely for nearly everything he says, but I've been shaking my head over the 'racist' comment.

This from MSNBC's website:

It was on ESPN's "Sunday NFL Countdown" show — before McNabb led the Eagles to a 23-13 victory over the Buffalo Bills — that Limbaugh said he didn't think McNabb was as good as perceived from the start.       "I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well," Limbaugh said on the show. "There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."

Frankly I don't see that as particularly racist. He doesn't say McNabb isn't a good QB because he's black. He appears to say he's overrated because he's black. Rush was making a comment on the media.

pax yall

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: Amos
Date: 02 Oct 03 - 08:05 PM

I am with Art on this one -- Rush's rhetoric has been immoral, rampantly illogical, bloodthirsty, swollen and demagogic (is that a word?) and as such has reduced the tone of the whole American political dialogue. The last thing we need is people pushing hard for MORE thoughtless, knee-jerk reactions!!!

A

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: kendall
Date: 02 Oct 03 - 07:52 PM

I DO!! These moralizing bastards are a paIN in the ass.

Old Maine saying, "Time wounds all heels."

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: Gareth
Date: 02 Oct 03 - 07:47 PM

On the otherhand - this could be evelution in action !!!

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 02 Oct 03 - 07:32 PM

Oh who the f@ck cares....

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: Art Thieme
Date: 02 Oct 03 - 07:23 PM

And all this is after he did his ranting hatchet job on Bill Clinton for eight years !! I hope R.L. goes thrugh as "painful" a withdrawal as is possible--------------for the next eight years.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Drug Addict
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 02 Oct 03 - 06:54 PM

He also resigned today from ESPN because his racist remark about a black quarterback raised such wide-spread anger. Good to lose him.