BS: Help: What's 'hangman' in Italian?

Subject: BS: Help: What's 'hangman' in Italian?
From: GUEST,Ringer at home
Date: 05 Oct 03 - 02:27 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Help: What's 'hangman' in Italian?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Oct 03 - 02:29 PM

Sorry - not used to this computer. I'm after the game, not the profession. Can anyone help?

Subject: RE: BS: Help: What's 'hangman' in Italian?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Oct 03 - 04:35 PM

Try Babel Fish and be sure to use more than just "hangman." Execution, executioner, gibbet, gallows, might all give you different words. But if you compare them, perhaps you'll come up with something from the context that works.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Help: What's 'hangman' in Italian?
From: Amos
Date: 05 Oct 03 - 04:37 PM

The game is named for the profession.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Help: What's 'hangman' in Italian?
From: Ringer
Date: 06 Oct 03 - 04:33 AM

Amos: are you saying that in Italian the words for the game and for the profession are identical? (They're not in German, f'rinstance - in German the game is "Gallows game").

SRS: thanks, but I've tried several translators. They're OK on the profession, not on the game.

I regret not being able to give authentic Italian (or German) examples. Apart from a bit of pidgin French, I have no languages; my enquiry was on behalf of my wife.

Thanks for your replies.

Subject: RE: BS: Help: What's 'hangman' in Italian?
From: GUEST,Ghirotondo at work
Date: 06 Oct 03 - 07:02 AM

Well, for what I know the game in Italy is called "Il gioco dell'impiccato" and is not part of the Italian culture (maybe it has been imported from the USA). The name refers more to the "hanged" (impiccato, from the verb 'impiccare', to hang)than to the hangman itself (in italian the hangman could be translated as "l'impiccatore" but more likely "il boia", the executioner).

Ghiro

Subject: RE: BS: Help: What's 'hangman' in Italian?
From: Amos
Date: 06 Oct 03 - 09:07 AM

Ringer --

Sorry for my lack of clarity. I meant in English, of course, as I don't know the name of the game in any other language,

A

Subject: RE: BS: Help: What's 'hangman' in Italian?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Oct 03 - 10:31 AM

Ringer, I think you got your answer!

Subject: RE: BS: Help: What's 'hangman' in Italian?
From: open mike
Date: 06 Oct 03 - 07:56 PM

Perhaps they have never used such a contraption as a gallows in Italy.
Guillotine? no that is french...what sort of device is (or was) used
for corporal punishment in Italy? The only Gallo i know thai si Italian
is the wine~! I wonder if there is any connection linguistically between
gallow and guillo....

Subject: RE: BS: Help: What's 'hangman' in Italian?
From: LadyJean
Date: 06 Oct 03 - 10:07 PM

I wish I spoke Italian. I don't, alas. I do know that here in Western Pennsylvania the game "hangman" is called "hang the butcher" I'm not sure why. I suppose it could be from "The Old Woman and Her Pig" "Rope rope hang butcher, for the butcher won't kill the cow, and the cow won't drink the water, and the water won't quench the fire etc."
I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood, I've wondered if the name came from some Jewish tradition.
I've always hoped it was in honor of the Butcher Cumberland, not as far fetched as it sounds. There are plenty of Scots in Pittsburgh. The local dialect includes Scots words, redd up for clean up being an example.
Do non English speakers play spelling games? English spelling, being illogical, makes an excellent base for a game. Would a language where everything is spelled the way it sounds provide enough challenge?

Subject: RE: BS: Help: What's 'hangman' in Italian?
From: polaitaly
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 10:13 AM

Open Mike, the gallows in Italian is "la forca" and it's been for centuries the most often used capital punishment device all over Italy , but we don't have death penalty anymore here (happily).

Subject: RE: BS: Help: What's 'hangman' in Italian?
From: Ringer
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 04:47 AM

Ghirontondo: my wife is very grateful for your help. Could I ask you one more thing, please? When you check your car's tyre pressures, your gauge presumably measures in bar. Is there a colloquial Italian expression for this unit of bar? (eg in Germany a bar is called ATu, I believe)

Subject: RE: BS: Help: What's 'hangman' in Italian?
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 05:28 AM

x At = x bar, x Atü = x+1 bar, therefore 1 bar = 0 Atü

But the difference between At and Atü is unknown to most Germans and so the majority say Atü and mean At.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Help: What's 'hangman' in Italian?
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 07:23 AM

Open Mike, no connection between "gallows" and "guillotine": the G was invented by a Mr Guillotine (rather like Mr E Chair in a later century).

Steve

Subject: RE: BS: Help: What's 'hangman' in Italian?
From: Ghirotondo
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 05:52 AM

You are welcome, Ringer.
Usually in Italy we measure tyre pressure in "Atmosfere" or in Bar, which, as Wolfgang states, is almost the same (to be veeery precise, 1 Atm = 1.013 Bar, but I doubt your tyres will note the difference...)

Ghiro

Subject: RE: BS: Help: What's 'hangman' in Italian?
From: Ringer
Date: 10 Oct 03 - 12:45 PM

Thanks again, Ghirotondo, and thanks, Wolfgang.

Wolfgang: may I ask another question, please? My wife tells me that, in German, it is permissible to add an "e" to an un-umlaut-ed vowel rather than use an umlaut (so, eg, "schön" is equivalent to "schoen"). She frequently asks me to find books and things on the internet for her. Recently, for example, she wanted a book called O wie schön ist Panama. Would a word-search in which I entered "schoen" correctly find "schön"? (I don't know how to get the ö on my PC keyboard in Google or whatever)

Subject: RE: BS: Help: What's 'hangman' in Italian?
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 05:22 AM

Ringer,

(1) Your wife ist right, you can replace each 'Umlaut' by the respective vowel folled by 'e'.
(2) In a search, however, the Umlaute are not found when you enter 'ae', 'oe', 'ue'.
(3) "Oh wie schoen ist Panama" finds you the book only if the title has been entered this way. This has been done in some international bookshops.
(4) You can find the book by entering in Google 'ist Panama' and 'Janosch' (the author).

cheers Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Help: What's 'hangman' in Italian?
From: Ringer
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 12:34 PM

OK - thanks, Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Help: What's 'hangman' in Italian?
From: Cluin
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 03:35 PM

Mussolini.


Oh... Hang Man, not hanging man.



Never mind....