BS: Arnold for President

Subject: BS: Arnold for President
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 06 Oct 03 - 02:23 PM

Orrin Hatch, Republican Senator from Utah and Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, today gave a speech to the National Press Club. In response to a question after the speech he said that he thought the U.S. Constitution should be amended to eliminate the clause which requires the President to be born in America. He specifically said that he thought Arnold S. should not be penalized because he was not born in this country.

To all of you who are laughing at us here in California, the last laugh might be on you!

Bev and Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Oct 03 - 02:30 PM

We have found the proverbial 'hand basket'.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Oct 03 - 02:51 PM

You vil be Terminated!!

Hasta la vista, baby! If that happens, I'm headin' for Canada!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Amos
Date: 06 Oct 03 - 03:15 PM

Nightmarish thought!!! The last time an Austrian aspired tot hat much powert it was because he was tired of hanging wallpaper...

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 06 Oct 03 - 03:57 PM

What's the deal with these national players playing in our sandbox? On both sides of the ticket. I thought it was stupid for Davis to be flanked (or fronted, actually) by Clinton.-- What the heck does he have to do with the price of tea? Same with Hatch.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 06 Oct 03 - 04:43 PM

'tot hat much powert'
For close to a minute I pondered the incredible depth of these thoughts: tot = dead, hat = has (Don's 'vil' that I had read just before Amos' post had set my mind to seek a sense in a mixture of German and English):
'Dead has much power', what an Amosesk thought, not giving away its depth and real meaning to the first reading. And, at the second reading, what a scathing critique of the style of Arnold's films and his often a tiny bit clumsy English.

Wolfgang (who by now has done the third reading)

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Amos
Date: 06 Oct 03 - 05:15 PM

LOL!!!   Ach, Wolfgang, my apologies for not correcting my typos!!

A

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Oct 03 - 05:33 PM

oh, right! I'm sure impressed by anything Orrin Hatch says! Yessir! Does the phrase "to the right of Ghengis Khan" mean anything to you?

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: LadyJean
Date: 06 Oct 03 - 08:54 PM

Orrin Hatch was a clerk in my father's law firm. Mother said she was scared of him Wise woman my mum.
The good thing is, if Arnold the Barbarian gets elected governor of California, he will be falling all over himself, and wind up looking like an Austrian jackass. Which will pretty much preclude him being president, even if we do manage to change the constitution.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Oct 03 - 11:49 PM

Or make him very attractive as a candidate, LadyJean. It's worked before.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 02:48 AM

Lady Jean, since when did "falling over oneself and looking like a jackass" preclude someone's becoming President?

Aloha,
Mark

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 03:42 AM

I think this is a wonderful idea -we could offload Mrs Thatcher , Tony Blair, Graham Norton - the list is endless!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: open mike
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 04:10 AM

the operative phrase here is a quote from 'Arnie himself:
"..I cannot recall.."....after all isn't it a recall that this
is all about and if he himself says he cannot....well I
second that emotion!

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: catspaw49
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 06:01 AM

Fuckabunchuvarnold...........My one word on the matter.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: kendall
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 06:53 AM

California. The originator of trends. Beautiful...fucking beautiful.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: GUEST,Whistle Stop
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 08:12 AM

Well, I don't think Arnold is qualified to do much of anything in government, much less be the Governor of California. However, if you take Arnold out of the picture, I do agree with Hatch that this Constitutional prohibition should be eliminated. There are some other people out there who were not born US citizens but might be worth considering for the Presidency at some point. Madeline Albright comes to mind, for one.

Of course, Orrin Hatch probably never seriously considered this issue until Arnold decided to declare his candidacy, so I don't credit him with a whole lot of foresight on this question. Gotta love politics.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 08:21 AM

Arnold won't really be the governor though guys. You do realize he is just a puppet? Not the man in charge? Just like Bush isn't the man in charge at the White House. Just like Reagan wasn't the man in charge at the White House. The Republican party can't get their neo-cons elected, so they have to have these electable surrogates do the job for them. But make no mistake, Schwarzenegger is NOT the politician being elected. He is merely the electable candidate, as someone above pointed out.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 08:59 AM

Well, I fir one would take Arnold over the current Resident just to get the Cheney/Wolfowitz/Pearle/Rice/Rove/Rumsfeld machine out of my life and my pocket.

And as dumb as Arnold seems in every respect to be, guess who would be his closest advisor?.........

Maria Shriver!

I could live with that...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 09:39 AM

You don't actually have to be born in America to be eligible - people with American parents qualify as well. I don't know if one parent is enough. A GI on Rest and Recuperation for example...

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Peg
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 10:09 AM

I kinda doubt Arnold listens to Maria's advice on anything. I am sure he only married her because he thought her media connections might help him get taken seriously someday as he was biding his time in Hollywood, waiting to take over the world. Heil Hitler.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Barry Finn
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 10:30 AM

A.S.(S.) is not the idiot that people see him as. A.S.s' has more brain & spunk than most of what we've running around in the White House today. He's also quite the business man & has amassed a great sum of money, influence & power (though not politcial power). He'll will be the puppet of others though. It's bad enough to have a puppet who's an idiot running the world from a Texas ranch on his days off but a smart one's gonna be far more dangerous. He will cost the citizens of "HIS" state many millions in hard cash & will cost the state far more with the policies that he'll back. He has no respect for women & not much more for the rest of the population. He's tied in with & is a backer of Enron (there's 9 million right there, down the toilet), the enviorment will be flushed into the ocean. He'll be the only one left with any energy after the rape of the state, the education system will suffer dearly along with health care & other social programs. He'll help to push the Alaskan wilderness into a deep freeze which may not recover from if the REP's rapists get their way. He will back the exploration of the coastal waters of the West Coast for the purpose of finding more money for big business & oil & that alone will be an un-natural disaster of huge proportions. He's far more intellegent than Reagan which makes him by far much more dangerous. May the force be with you & hopefully you can see a better day by tomorrow. Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Kim C
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 11:04 AM

McGrath, I believe the Constitution specifically states that a President must be a native-born American - now, if that includes a child of American parents born in another country, I don't know. I have always taken "native-born" to mean born within the borders of the country. I could be wrong, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: curmudgeon
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 11:44 AM

The "Native Born" requirement is absolute. Many, many years ago, a governor, whose name escapes me, was mentioned presidentially. His parents were diplomats and he was born at the US Embassy in Paris. He was nevertheless ruled ineligible to become president.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 11:59 AM

Barry, I agree. I think he is much more intelligent than people are aware...I think the accent and the genre of movies he's made put them off.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Metchosin
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 12:16 PM

Too bad its too late to run Mickey Mouse, no problem with his citizenship and maybe the line between the fantasy and the reality of the individual would be more obvious to the average voter.

I think if Arnold had had more roles in which he wasn't the superhero he wouldn't have a chance in any Total Recall.....oh I forgot... Bedtime for Bonzo....content of movie probably isn't important....

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 12:33 PM

It's "natural born", not "native born" - and though that sounds like a quibble, it is actually looks as if it makes a real difference, and means that what I wrote above is correct:

Here's an extract from what appears to be a pretty authoritative legal site:

Clause 5. Qualifications

All Presidents since and including Martin Van Buren were born in the United States subsequent to the Declaration of Independence. The only issue with regard to the qualifications set out in this clause, which appears to be susceptible of argument, is whether a child born abroad of American parents is "a natural born citizen" in the sense of the clause. Such a child is a citizen as a consequence of statute.

94 Whatever the term "natural born" means, it no doubt does not include a person who is "naturalized." Thus, the answer to the question might be seen to turn on the interpretation of the first sentence of the first section of the Fourteenth Amendment, providing that "all persons born or naturalized in the United States" are citizens.

95 Significantly, however, Congress, in which a number of Framers sat, provided in the Naturalization act of 1790 that "the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the sea, . . . shall be considered as natural born citizens. . . ."

All of which shouldn't affect Arnold's sitruation whose father was an Austrian Nazi, not an American GI. But somneday it might be relevant to another potential candoidaye.
96 This phrasing followed the literal terms of British statutes, beginning in 1350, under which persons born abroad, whose parents were both British subjects, would enjoy the same rights of inheritance as those born in England; beginning with laws in 1709 and 1731, these statutes expressly provided that such persons were natural-born subjects of the crown.

97 There is reason to believe, therefore, that the phrase includes persons who become citizens at birth by statute because of their status in being born abroad of American citizens.

98 Whether the Supreme Court would decide the issue should it ever arise in a "case or controversy" as well as how it might decide it can only be speculated about."

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Kim C
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 12:53 PM

Aha! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 01:01 PM

Well, the good news there is that it rules out the anti-Christ

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 01:19 PM

Wouldn't bet on that. Wouldn't excluding him be likely to offend against the "no establishing a religion" bit?

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 01:24 PM

Barry:

That's nine billion...with a "B".

Bev and Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Amos
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 05:21 PM

BLOCK THAT KICK!! BLOCK THAT KICK!!


I have voted to leave him frozen in his tracks (Arnold, I mean).

Better Gray Davis and a sober electorate than a mob frenzy putting another movie actor in the Governor's house. Cruz is a more honest politician and he has some experience, at least.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 06:18 PM

As if there hasn't been enough groping in the Oval Office already.... (had to say it)

GUEST, you are dead right. Arnold is just the electable candidate for the people who stand behind him...like Bush was (sort of electable, anyway). He's also a pretty smart man, I think, but he's still a figurehead if he gets elected. Karl Rove, the Republican whiz kid who got Bush elected in Texas and into the White House, is running Arnold's campaign. Karl Rove would happily run the AntiChrist for president if he was a Republican and was "electable".

You don't get a chance to vote for or against the people who actually run things. Not ever. You will probably never even know their names.

And that's why our representative democracy is essentially a big, ridiculous, expensive fraud, producing irresponsible governments that do not represent the people, regardless of who wins them...sadly enough. Still, some candidates are definitely worse than others, so by all means get out there and vote.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Barry Finn
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 06:33 PM

Hi Bev & Jerry, I did see my error in the Billions not Millions, only after I posted. The cost of this recall must be close to that again, no? What ever the cost of the recall is, espically if it's a rep. governor, you'll have to sell the state just to recoup & get back to where you where before this recall. Anyone want to by a state cheap, get it now or later. Later it may not be worth the shit on my shoe.    Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 06:35 PM

Thanks, McGrath. I couldn't believe that an American mother's accident of birth would make the child less of a citizen than are the parents, and I'm glad to have that corroborated.

I'm sure many an American mother has found herself across the line in Canada or in Mexico when her birth pangs began. I had never heard of there being dire consequences for the child.

Besides which, 'native born' has more than one meaning. Among its meanings is 'belonging by right of origin', as well as 'by right of birth'.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 07:26 PM

But it's not "native born" but "natural born", which basically what it seems to mean is that you are a citizen at the time of your birth.

So the definition of those who are citizens by reason of their birth (and thus eligible to run for President) could conceivably be widened to include people who at the time of their birth satisfied some other criterion. These can vary from country to country.

To be an Irish citizen, for example, it is enough to have one grandparent who was born in Ireland. To be a citizen of Israel you have to be Jewish, (or else born there and not having left it as a refugee). To be British at one time living in "the Empire" was enough, but when too many black people started arriving they changed the rules.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Metchosin
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 11:29 PM

Wow!! Arnold for Obergropenführer.....sorry...couldn't resist.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Amos
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 11:58 PM

I am sorry to say predictions are running in Herr Arnoldt's favor.
We'll see how long that smile lasts....power is corrosive.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 01:45 AM

Yup, and politics is a killing profession that ages people way too fast. Arnold will find it's tougher than making movies, I suspect.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 02:26 AM

Uneasy lies the head, and all that. Kind of like getting someone's cheating husband- what you've acquired is a husband who cheats on his wife. Getting in through a recall doesn't sound like a long term job.

Does anyone know what kind of education AS has? I realize that growing up in Europe he probably went to university- but what did he study?

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: ard mhacha
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 03:35 AM

Coming soon to a cinema near you,
The Ass-man triumphs,the brain-dead, elected by Zombies.

This is a Holywood spectecular,

ARNIES ASS in two parts come early, come early and see the whole. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Metchosin
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 03:40 AM

he got a university degree by correspondence in the US.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: ard mhacha
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 03:43 AM

Money buys all. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 06:05 AM

Remember that the Kennedy family has a long history of tragedy occurring to their members while serving their country.......so there is hope.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Amos
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 09:39 AM

Jesus, Pat, what a sense of humour ya got!!!!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Kim C
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 10:02 AM

I want to preface my remarks by saying I really don't have a dog in this hunt. What the people of the People's Republic of California do is entirely up to them.

But let's consider for a moment... There are many politically-savvy, intelligent, well-reasoning people on this forum. How would any of you like it if someone were to say, "he/she can't know anything about politics or government - he/she's just a musician." Not really fair, is it? I don't believe that having a career in music or the movies precludes a person's smarts in other things. I reckon Arnold is just as capable of being Governor as anyone else running against him.

That being said, it will be interesting to see what happens next.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Leo Condie
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 10:36 AM

my judgement was more based on the fact that he avoided all debates and is obviously just a puppet anyway. maybe he does know things about politics but he sure didn't go out of his way to prove it.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 12:23 PM

"And Schwarzenegger himself headed the unsuccessful Bush-Cheney state campaign in 2000 and is known to have discussed his candidacy with George W Bush's top aide, Karl Rove."

http://www.sundayherald.com/37214

And these guys made Issa cry, too.


"The thing that won't die, in the nightmare that won't end."
Total Recall

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Kim C
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 12:26 PM

Leo, I have yet to see any candidate that goes out of his way to prove anything.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 01:12 PM

A search around the net for anagrams turned up these:

"Arnold Schwarzenegger" gives: "He's grown large 'n' crazed."

"Arnold Schwarzenegger, the Governor of California" gives:
"Warning - crazed Frog Arnie! He can go for voters. O Hell!" (and that one is a handmade effort by Stanley Accrington - a Lancashire folk comedian and no mean songwriter.And clearly a fast worker when it comes to anagrams.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 01:28 PM

Chalk up another electoral victory for Karl Rove and the neo-cons. Tough times ahead for California.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 01:35 PM

Californians elected an action figure as governor of their state, to rescue them from their fiscal miseries.

This election was won by Schwarzenegger for one or both of the following reasons:

1) Election fraud
2) The complete dumbing-down of the electorate

Which reason does anyone prefer?

(Alexis de Tocqueville was right!)

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Kim C
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 01:46 PM

The election may have been won just because 65% of the people registered to vote actually bothered to do so.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 01:59 PM

Here are two more possible reasons:

1. There is no God.

2. She has a wierd sense of humor.


Bev and Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 02:13 PM

65% is pretty high these days.   And I believe the voting register was way out of date, and this was one of the reasons argued for postponing the election.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 03:48 PM

"Arnold Schwarzenegger, the Governor of California" gives:
"Warning - crazed Frog Arnie! He can go for voters. O Hell!"

LOL That is so funny.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 03:53 PM

To look on the bright side (big "if," perhaps), this could turn out to be kinda interesting. Arnold has come out as pro-choice, and some of his other ideas don't exactly mesh with the views of hard-core conservatives. In fact, a few people have commented that he's more like a centrist Democrat than a hard-core Republican.

Also, there's the small matter of his wife. She is a Kennedy, after all, and Arnie has spent quite a bit of time around the Kennedys and the Shrivers.

A few interesting things about Maria Shriver:--

1. Not exactly a lightweight.
2. Lineage.
3. Interests.
4. Book or two she's written.
5. More pertinent reading.

Never underestimate the power of a woman.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: X
Date: 08 Oct 03 - 04:07 PM

I just don't give a shit anymore. Fuck it.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 03:30 AM

Many years ago there was another movement to have a foreign born (English) very popular guy put up for US President. It came to nothing.

It was Bob Hope.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 04:41 AM

From a German TV-show yesterday:

Have you already heard the good news today from California?
Schwarzenegger won't be available for films during the next couple of years.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Amos
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 01:32 PM

Here's how I feel: like Mark Twain. "I am a person who would quit authorizing in a minute to go to piloting," Mark Twain once remarked. "I would rather sink a steamboat than eat, any time".

I would rather sink a steamboat than worry about politics, any time.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 01:42 PM

But Arnie clearly sees it the other way round. Except of course that he wasn't really doing all the exciting stuff in the movies. Most of that's Special Effects, and the first he'd see of it would be sitting in a cinema seat.

Not unlike big politics really - if you ever see the TV version of anything you've been present at, it rarely bears too much resemblance to reality.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Merritt
Date: 09 Oct 03 - 11:07 PM

IMO this is a guy who's put the goober back in gubernatorial.

He has a BS from the University of Wisconsin-Superior. When asked, he only says that he has a University of Wisc. degree, not that it came from a smaller 4-year campus within the UW system.

Here's a bit from one of the on-line news services about the new Gubernator's learning curve:

Gov.-elect Arnold Schwarzenegger called on Gov. Gray Davis not to make any more appointments or sign legislation in the waning days of his administration, although Schwarzenegger acknowledged it is Davis' right to do so.

"I would like it really if he doesn't sign any more bills, as far as that goes," Schwarzenegger said.

Davis spokesman Steven Maviglio said Davis will continue to make appointments and act on legislation. He added, "The governor-elect might be interested to learn that bills Governor Davis does not act on before the 13th of the month automatically become law."

In California, the governor may veto a bill, sign it or allow it to become law without signing it.

- Merritt

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Oct 03 - 07:37 AM

In California, the governor may veto a bill, sign it or allow it to become law without signing it.

So what's the point of signing it anyway?

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: jeffp
Date: 10 Oct 03 - 11:27 AM

By signing it he takes a measure of affirmative responsibility. By not signing he can express a lower level of disapproval than a veto would indicate. Pretty much an image thing, I would say.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Oct 03 - 11:57 AM

And they take home a fat salary for that?

"A lower level of disapprival" - but how can anyone tell its not just a "lower level of approval". Or just didn't wake up that day?   

I think even Arnie should be well up to this kind of thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Oct 03 - 12:14 PM

Ha! Ha! Ha! What a great job! No wonder Arnold wanted it. I wonder if there's a proviso that allows the governor to do nothing at all for his entire term, thus sanctioning whatever happens in his abscence with a fairly low level of approval, while he goes golfing, fishing, etc...

No wonder Reagan did so well as California's Governor.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 10 Oct 03 - 09:03 PM

What a bunch of meanies you all are!

Ahnol had nuttin when he came into the USA, and he must have been very determined indeed to get a decent job never mind the fame and fortune he now has.

If he ran for the White House then I would be happy to vote several times for him!

Go Davis Go ....

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Oct 03 - 09:10 PM

I'm trying to work out whether all this will have rehabilitated the name "Arnold" from the rough time it had inthe USA from old Benedict Arnold, all those years ago - or will it have made thing worse.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: MarkS
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 12:19 PM

As long as we are sending Austrians to high national positions, why now nominate Wolfgang Puck for Secretary of State? The politics might not improve, but can you imagine the food at the state dinners?

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Metchosin
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 12:59 PM

sorefingers, one can respect someone's accomplishments, but that doesn't necessarily mean you automatically agree with their philosophical direction or integrity.

The danger is that, when one accumulates great money and power, they often believe that they have become more more intelligent and more beautiful too.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: DougR
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 01:41 PM

And you are infering that they don't, right?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 08:35 PM

Being clever and beautiful might sometimes help people get heir hands on more money, Doug, but it sure doesn't work the other way. Unless you count cosmetic surgery, leaving Michael Jackson out of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 12 Oct 03 - 04:46 AM

Actually, it does work the other way, at least in one respect. People with money are perceived to be more beautiful and clever than people without money other things being equal. This effect is much more pronounced in males (with money).

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: kendall
Date: 12 Oct 03 - 07:32 AM

I understand that this meathead went through bankruptcy a while back?
Anyway, "natural born", couldn't that mean that if you were born Ceaserian that it is not normal? Here is an opening for the supreme court to appoint another asshole to the white house.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Amos
Date: 12 Oct 03 - 09:58 AM

Macduff for President -- who was from him mother's womb
Untimely ripped!!

Actually, if one does not have survival issues because he has a flush bank account he is less stressed by far, and thus likely to act more intelligent and appear more fetching.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Oct 03 - 11:58 AM

Can't say I've noticed that effect myself.

Being free from stress because you're loaded, and don't have to worry about trying to get on with other people any more, can easily tip people from tolerable into repulsive.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: GUEST,Singer
Date: 12 Oct 03 - 02:53 PM

Does anyone know whether Leonard Cohen still believes that democracy is coming to the USA.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 12:46 AM

Today we heard someone play the old fiddle tune "Under the Double Eagle" which we thought referred to a gold coin no longer in circulation in America. Come to find out it was originally called "Unter dem Doppeladler" and was composed by Josef Franz Wagner, Austrian military bandleader and the Austrian March King. Wagner's Opus 19, refers to the double eagle in the coat of arms of the Austro-Hungarian monarchy.

Does this mean that all of us in California are now going to have to learn this tune?

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 02:52 AM

I saw part of Saturday Night LIVE last night. They did a funny bit where Schwarzenegger calls a press conference and confesses that he can't do the job, saying that he has been at the office four days and doesn't have a clue as to what he is supposed to do. He says he has left a message with Bustamante, the lieutenant governor, asking him to take over. When he is asked what he'll do if Bustamante refuses, he says there is only one thing he can do: call a special election to recall the lieutenant governor so that he can find someone else.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Wolfgang
Date: 14 Oct 03 - 08:16 AM

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this:

THE SCHWARZENEGGING SONG
(Les Barker)
(if the tune isn't obvious to you you maybe don't know it at all)

Here's one two three jolly lads all of one mind,
We have come Schwarzenegging and we hope you'll prove kind.
And we hope you'll prove kind with your eggs and strong beer
Or we'll chop both your legs off and leave you sat here.

Now the first to come in is young Arnold you see;
He don't go through doorways for he's nine foot three;
He don't go through doorways for he is too small;
When Arnold comes in he just walks through the wall...

(Next verses about Mad Max, Rambo and Rocky)

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: Mickey191
Date: 14 Oct 03 - 07:54 PM

Is this a possible scenario for future plans of the Republican Party? Won't they need Ca.'s electoral votes to get GWB reelected? Won't they have to help, in a very big way, the economy? Won't the Feds pour money in so the unemployment figures improve greatly? Who will get the credit for this? Ahr-nold? We know he's a puppet, but the strings will be pulled so quietly - he may actually get the credit.

Just a thought.

Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Oct 03 - 12:03 PM

For those who are suprised that:

In California, the governor may veto a bill, sign it or allow it to
become law without signing it.

Be advised that it is the same deal for the President in Washington.


The fact is that you don't know basic things about the legislative and govermental processes--why are you suprised that the people who are elected to office are ignorant? It seems like you are getting the representation that you deserve!