BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 04:25 AM

Dear all...

I'm a bit perplexed and a little bit annoyed... But, the above postings by Guest ella, were not from me - I've just discovered this by looking for a thread I contributed to a while ago and didn't see for ages and spotted this ella.

I don't get much time nowadays to post, so have been popping in a catching up on the threads when I can.

With regards all

Ella

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 18 Jan 04 - 10:02 PM

heloo, how do you write things in a different name?

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST,back to the top
Date: 18 Jan 04 - 09:52 PM

it worked

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: freda underhill
Date: 18 Jan 04 - 07:53 AM

if effect then knows its cause
then we'll solve the planet's wars
for each side will take some blame
and then move on - to a different game.

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: The Shambles
Date: 18 Jan 04 - 04:17 AM

If we see ourselves - as others see us
Maybe the truth will finally free us?

BBC Radio 2 Folk message board

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: The Shambles
Date: 17 Jan 04 - 09:20 AM

All of us knows our place
No need to make a fuss
Wordsworth can afford a taxi
Billy Blake would take the bus

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST,Jim Knowledge
Date: 17 Jan 04 - 07:15 AM

Oi, Would you Adam & Eve it. That Shambles is only nicking my customers. I`ve got two wives, a baby and Stout and Bitter to support. Struth!!

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: The Shambles
Date: 17 Jan 04 - 04:46 AM

I did come up with another contribution for here but as it was bit musical and on-topic too - it can be seen by clicking on the following thread.

What is folk? IN SONG

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Cluin
Date: 17 Jan 04 - 01:42 AM

All sing in chorus:

On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings,
On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings,
On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings,
On the cowardly nature of GUEST...
Post...
Ings!...

We simply must...
Say...


I'm sorry. We're out of time.

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 16 Jan 04 - 10:07 PM

Nice peice o wark! Truly up to date... A+
ttr

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: The Shambles
Date: 16 Jan 04 - 08:01 PM

With appreciation and in the hope that imitation will be considered as the sincerest form of flattery.

'Ad that William Blake, on my bus
'Ad a 'bow of burning gold'
I said " you can't bring that on 'ere
Didn't do what 'e was told
Produced these 'arrows of desire'
The passengers got quite fruity
Chucked 'im off before his sword woke up
Well, I 'ad to do 'me duty

Bugger me! I looked behind
Missiles 'shootin' past 'me ears
'E was riding this 'chariot of fire'
And 'chuckin all these spears
'E told the clouds - to unfold
'Then 'e overtook – the sod
I told 'im to get off and walk
'Im and the 'Lamb of God'!

I looked as 'e speed away
Over 'those 'clouded hills'
Me countenance - less than divine
I 'ad one of me pills
Thought about his building plans
Though I admire a man with vision
'E 'ad better not go building 'ere
Not without planning permission

Well Jerusalem has trouble enough
Don't think 'e will improve it
England's pastures green or not
Not the best idea to move it
Move 'the wailing wall' to Surrey?
Is 'e the one to try?
For 'e's the bloke that tries to rhyme
'Symmetry' with 'eye'

*Smiles*

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 16 Jan 04 - 10:56 AM

T'was I "Thomas the poet", forsooks in deed I would
Fathom whats below it, there, the shelf where knick knacks stood
For in those books of metered rhyme, are many forms and 'ameters
And when I'm done with pickled time, I choose my own perameters

But this is my organic toast to open and invention
For twisted is the braggarts boast, exclusive intervention
If you are so offended by a certain form or meter
Your thoughts are not desended from beyond the gates of Peter

A rhyme can be a rhythm's crown, though you'd distain to know it
But cynics dominate the town, and aren't afraid to show it
Nibble a carrot with a frown, illusions did not grow it
Process does not know reknown, critique can't make a poet

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: The Shambles
Date: 16 Jan 04 - 10:28 AM

The bottle may be shattered
But it's the message that matters
So if it washes on your shore
Don't join the roars
Of clashing egos and crashing bores

Roger Gall 1997

As the point of both song and poetry is communication - does not the detail and form of how the idea is written, presented or performed matter far less than that the idea is conveyed? After the original idea is conveyed, many knowledgable critics may subsequently be able to identify the meter that a poet has used or the tune used by a songwriter and to suggests ways that it could be improved.

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Amos
Date: 16 Jan 04 - 08:49 AM

JK,

That was odd, but loverly!

A

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Jan 04 - 07:51 AM

Various forms of sonnet - the one Amos cited (14 lines, ababcdcdefef gg) is the Shakespearian version. Also available in the original Petrarchian variety, the Spenserian and the Miltonic, all of which also have fourteen lines. There's also the Curtal-Sonnet invented by Gerard Manley Hopkins, which has ten and a half lines. And the metre in English normally is iambic pentametre.

I didn't know all that off the top of my head - I checked it in a handy book called "A reader's guide to Literary Terms". And while doing so reminded of the enormous variety of poetical forms we don't bother to use.

As Amos said up above, rhyme is not the beginning and end of verse. In fact it's completely dispensable. Getting the metre/rhythm right (even in free verse - in fact especially in free verse) is far more important - as with music, where getting the rhythm wrong is far more damaging than getting the notes wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST,Jim Knowledge
Date: 16 Jan 04 - 07:49 AM

I once `ad that Wordsworth in my cab,
I drove `im up to Brixto `ill.
I asked `im what `e wanted there,
`E said " To see a dafferdil".
I says there aint one to be found.
A dandelion p`raps or two.
`E sighs and says to me in tears.
"I s`pose that two`ll `ave to do"

Copyright 2004 [e-mail]
(Apologies to Hugh Jampton)

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST,forever undulating
Date: 16 Jan 04 - 07:22 AM

I saw the many minds that speake
With such a flow and ebb
Upon the little patch of thread
That catters call the web

it's like a mirror, bright and clear
reflecting every face
And every wand'ring mind that speaks
upon this open space

for as we mingle in this flood
of faces, friends and foe
we do reveal our own true hearts
our inner secrets glow.

while to ourselves we may be blind
as our catharsis bleeds
our psychic entrails flood the page
within our words are seeds

seeds of life and seeds of hope
of bitterness and grief
as in our public purging
we ensure our own relief.

would that i could see into my own soul
as i can see in yours
for then my own world would be whole
effect would know its cause..

f.u.

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: The Shambles
Date: 16 Jan 04 - 05:21 AM

"bomb on us"?? LOL...that rhythme wins you a spot in 'guest' hall of fame!

if the poetry war is to continue, I would LOVE to see something other than warped anapests. Take a look here, you aspiring poets, and try a different meter for a welcome change.

Why open the thread that causes you pain?
Why post to the thread just to complain?
If you just tell others what they should do
Why then should anyone wish to please you?

Talk of a war - is yours and is hollow
Does this set an example that others should follow?
Put up or shut up - or show us the way
Create or be positive or just go away

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Amos
Date: 15 Jan 04 - 11:31 PM

Allright, BDiBR, but it is not a sonnet. The ancient rhyme I posted above ytours is a sonnet, 14 lines in for ababcdcdefef gg. At least I think that's the definition of a sonnet.

A

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 15 Jan 04 - 11:25 PM

Okay, I like, Think that I can write a better poem than Thomas the Rymer adn I am hgoing to do it now.

Hem!

I think that I shall never hear
A song as lovely as a beer
That snaps and crackles when its' opened
Like Krispy Krunch when I am tokin'
I love the way that awesome beer
Goes down my thraot and gives good cheer
And if I were made out of metal
I'd brew that beer up in my kettle
And toot the bubbles out my nose
And drink it right down to my toes
Cos beer is beer and this I knows
I'd rather drink than get me froze
In a big snowbank without no clothes
And after all I still suppose
A beer's a beer..
And a rose is a rose...
By any other name I hear
A beer would still be...still..
A beer.

Totally decent. Eat yer heart out TTR!

Drink up!

- BDiBR

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Amos
Date: 15 Jan 04 - 10:30 PM

Dear friends, the thread surpasses ancient Babel
And in reflection shames those authors here
Who will not rise above--though fully able
But harken, rather, to the colder chains of fear.

In clarity, compassion, we must slowly father
The times and spaces we prefer to own
And steel ourselves thus to accomplish, rather
Than childlike in a fearful folly drown.

Stand for the best that can envisioned be!
And dialogue propose that hearts can touch
Silent stand not, nor only evil see,
Nor heark to those who whimper overmuch

Our laws and natures all will well agree:
Which we truly offer, that we shall see.


Hiram Willingford Nobel
Sonnets for the Cause of Humanity
Medford, Oregon, 1911

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 15 Jan 04 - 09:29 PM

That not every guest is cowardly, 'tis true
So many are kind and intelligent souls
And sad it is that an occasional one or two
T'would show us Medusa in defence of no goals
And if you're a poster that's ta'en a few
I'm sure then you know of these testier toles
For integrity's effort is all this 'to do'
If your character is real, there's no changing roles
Imaginations can inflate us to loftier sites
But arbitrary GUESTS contrary our rights...
ttr

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Jan 04 - 07:43 PM

The ballade is one of the more complex metrical forms, I would point out, Bill D...

Now someone write a sonnet.

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 15 Jan 04 - 06:33 PM

Right flippin ON, Bill! I cant' stand pests of any kind. Specially Anapests from Budapest. They should be deported from Canada, eh?

But lemme get somethin' straight here. I am a GUEST but I ain't no coward. If Thomas the Flippin' Rhymer thinks I am one I will give him a nukkle sandwich! Got that, Thomas???

- BDiBR

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Jan 04 - 06:17 PM

if the poetry war is to continue, I would LOVE to see something other than warped anapests. Take a look here, you aspiring poets, and try a different meter for a welcome change.

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST, heric
Date: 15 Jan 04 - 12:20 PM

The opinions expressed at the below website are not those of this anonymous poster (but here's some funny stuff for people with time on their hands.)
http://www.ebolamonkeyman.com/

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST,Hugh Jampton
Date: 15 Jan 04 - 07:17 AM

Members, "Net Names" or "Guests" that reply
Just wish to play their part.
So laugh, learn and debate if you can
And please don`t take it to heart.

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Jan 04 - 10:17 PM

I scorn pitiful offerings on the scale of evelenty-billion, and will not reply any more to Nigerians who offer less than One Trillion dollars (after taxes).

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: artbrooks
Date: 14 Jan 04 - 09:08 PM

Guests are ok, and welcome as a "member,"
Nigerian scams can also be fun.
There are much worse things-if you remember...
The thread about piercings-pardon as I run.

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST,yellow belly
Date: 14 Jan 04 - 08:40 PM

Sorry McG...should have elaborated maybe. My "they" are the member calling for this thread to be closed, and the appalling poet,not for his appalling poetry, although that maybe does warrant immediate closure on humanitarian grounds.

I have also won eleventy-billion, you don't think it could be a scam?

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Jeri
Date: 14 Jan 04 - 08:37 PM

LOL, wealthy GUEST! My suspicions were right. Next, if the weather here's any indication, Hell's gonna start drafting a hockey team.

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jan 04 - 08:12 PM

Hey - I just won eleventy-billion dollars from some dude in Nigeria!

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Jan 04 - 07:58 PM

Which THEY is that?

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST,yellow belly
Date: 14 Jan 04 - 07:54 PM

It can only be closed when THEY say so.........quite right Shambles, why do they keep opening it?
Personally I find their feet stamping amusing and think it should stay open for that reason alone.
Like someone said above, if they don't like the "rules" of this forum, go elsewhere.We're very happy, no complaints here.
Ok this thread does not have the merit of armpits, but hey, we can't all be perfect.

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: The Shambles
Date: 14 Jan 04 - 06:38 PM

Jeri, as a fellow elite and dispenser of justice in the name of all that is good and right, shouldn't we consider that this has run it's course?

Mick
Olympus on high

I find the situation a little unclear
Can someone explain what is happening here?
Despite the humour – what is the proposal?
That this thread is fit for premature disposal?

It is really up to the conspiring two?
To decide these things for me and you?
They both appear to share in this presumption
But is this a fact or just an assumption?

This thread is BS – it is clear to see
It makes no claim for musicality
Is it worse than others going the rounds?
If thought so – just what are the grounds?

Threads about farts and armpit hair
Appear to be safe from this judgmental pair
Two thousand posts – about nothing at all
Also appear to escape this call

Many BS threads may be confusing
But freedom to choose is what we are losing
Is more than one of the same – really treason?
Perhaps this is not the real and only reason?

The answer before has been defined
Perhaps threads on 'guests' can also be combined
Maybe duplication is not the concern
More in the line of 'books to burn?

Its title could be thought a little snide
But you can't judge a book from what's outside
Is pressure to end it – a little distasteful?
Of the original verse – a little bit wasteful?

Just what are the rules and who is it makes them?
Or do these two decide – just as it takes them?
Good honest folk – and I don't doubt it
Perhaps they can pause - and just think about it?

For can this attitude be defended?
Don't open the thread and you can't be offended
Shouldn't this be what's advised?
If you post to the thread - it's only revived.

Is this intervention a little hypocritical?
For if I were being analytical
The only rude word I see used this time
Was a F*** from the Gods – and it didn't even rhyme!

Perhaps F*** is what is known as BLANK verse?

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Jan 04 - 09:48 PM

LOL. "I always stir up old resentions of bonkers..." Obviously you have intuited what it means, Amos!

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Amos
Date: 13 Jan 04 - 09:39 PM

I never will learn how to talk to yonkers
I always stir up old resentions of bonkers...
And leave them snarling, while they leave me screaming
Frustrated by the trial of grasping meaning
But each of us is full aware, alive
And struggling daily merely to survive
So let it be; thy words I cannot quote
But what the hell, whatever floats your boat.

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 13 Jan 04 - 09:15 PM

No patience have I for your patronization
I'll rhyme to the sky, and I'll fly fascination
Critiques are dull, Amos, learn tolleration
My content is full, naught prevarication

As to making up words, well, great Shakespeare did often
It's fun, undeterred, and the meanings don't soften
But those who will judge of some art categoric
So seldom will budge into phantasmagoric

Please don't be offended, your surfing's intact
Still free as you are, heres naught to react
Is this so repulsive, and vulgar to you
My artless impulsive, I so love to do?

Your inspections, rejections, are so unlike new
Methinks they're projections, more power to you
So be well there Amos, find satisfaction
These sad sorry rhymos will heed no retraction...
ttr

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Peg
Date: 13 Jan 04 - 03:08 PM

here's some haikus I wrote about Mitt Romney today..

They say he's upright
and oh so respectable
but he just scares me.


He doesn't smoke, right?
or do drugs, booze or coffee
where's the fun in that?


He's tall, slim, robust,
his wife a rosy damsel--
so many children!

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Amos
Date: 13 Jan 04 - 11:26 AM

And most hate the rhymed resentions of bonkers

Dear Thomas, breathe deeply, and take ye some time;
For poems are much more than just words forced to rhyme!
And making up new ones, to make the rhymes flow
Doesn't make one a poet -- it makes one a schmoe!
Take the time that you need to go back and redo them
If your muses are tired, time off will renew them!
And then stick to real words to give your rhymes weight
To prevent them from crumbling, or some such sad fate;
Make poetry sing, as a lark or a linnet,
And honor thy tongue for the magic that's in it!


A

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 13 Jan 04 - 11:13 AM

Oh, Shambles, these brambles do scrape me with guilt
My thread control scrambles were with compromise filt
For it seemed to my mind that dissention had conquered
And most hate the rhymed resentions of bonkers...
ttr

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Jan 04 - 10:33 AM

Why should this thread ever be closed?
They die a natural death - I always had supposed
Why want to stop others – after you've had your rage?
YOU just stop posting – then it falls off the page

For this thread has committed no crime
It contains both good and bad - but original rhyme
Some may wish to rhyme some more
Is this not what our forum is for?

That was the originator's intention
Ignored by later intervention
Should these wishes be respected?
Or threads be closed after being inspected?

Some people have had their say
Why the need to hide it away?
Some think that we may indeed need it
To give some the chance to actually read it

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 12 Jan 04 - 09:24 PM

Bravo, Bravos!... McGrath, you climb
'rond crabby prose, and smiling... rhyme
Including those in kind sublime
Who's friendly pose comes ev'ry time...

Wishers well are always welcome
'less you tell us truths but seldom
Sing out well as some may feel them
Naught if jealous jests conceal 'em

So GUESTS are good, when GUESTS relate
As civil should the known be great
But knock on wood, don't take the bait
A stranger could be your next date!
ttr

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Jan 04 - 08:30 PM

This thread oughtn't to end so prosaically:

Ballade of a nameless GUEST

This thread began with verse that rhymed,
but drifted into angry prose;
it seems a shame that just one time
we couldn't joust as friendly foes
and use our knack for words to weave
a web of various points of view
that aren't as different as we believe.
All friendly GUESTS, we welcome you.

Breached etiquette is not a crime,
that's true enough; and heaven knows
that in a scale of one to nine,
a nameless post ranks pretty low
when set against the ceaseless heave
of troubled times; that too is true.
So do not let these squabbles grieve.
All friendly GUESTS, we welcome you.

A rose by any name's as fine,
as Juliet told her Romeo,
but namelessness seems like a sign
that says more than it seems to show.
Perhaps we sometimes are deceived
and nameless GUESTS are friend not foe.
Best wear our heart upon our sleeve.
All friendly GUESTS, we welcome you.

GUEST with no name, I think that we've
Been arguing too long with you;
Nameless or not, no need to leave.
All friendly GUESTS, we welcome you.

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 12 Jan 04 - 07:12 PM

You can beat a dead horse, but you can't make it drink...so,... why not lets us leave off o this one for a few months... OK? Every one made their point, and frankly, just because our heads are pointed, it doesn't mean we're sharp... ;^)

Bye Bye!... ttr

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 12 Jan 04 - 07:06 PM

I have nothing to say. I was serious. I'm serious now. (Nobody ever takes me seriously.) End it. End it now.

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Big Mick
Date: 12 Jan 04 - 06:49 PM

C'mon, heric. How many ways do we cut the same turkey? I mean, between this one and the other one, we have beat this to death. It's not like everyone hasn't had their say. Know whut I mean, Vern?

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 12 Jan 04 - 06:25 PM

That is exactly right. When I enter a thread I expect it to die an immediate but honorable death. In the name of all that is Mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Big Mick
Date: 12 Jan 04 - 06:00 PM

Jeri, as a fellow elite and dispenser of justice in the name of all that is good and right, shouldn't we consider that this has run it's course?

Mick
Olympus on high

Subject: RE: BS: On the cowardly nature of GUEST postings
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Jan 04 - 05:49 PM

Poll:
Which has more chance of happening?
1) Getting people to stick a handle on their posts then they don't have to and don't want to.
2) Getting people to shut the fuck up when they don't want to and don't have to.
3) Getting everybody to accept that the people they're arguing with aren't the spawn of Satan.
4) Having some guy in Nigeria give you eleventy-billion dollars.