BS: Histories Mysteries

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: GUEST
Date: 12 May 05 - 06:38 PM

I wish Guest All Knowing Seer would come back. There are a lot of unanswered questions above. I can't wait to read his answers.

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 12 May 05 - 10:34 AM

Loved your analysis of the pyramids, Dave. Common sense, really.

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: John O'L
Date: 12 May 05 - 05:47 AM

History was invented by several civilizations independently and inadvertantly, at different times or possibly at the same time.
It was only later that it was recognised (by historians) for what it was. Or is.

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 May 05 - 06:55 PM

Sure. If you pick the peppers you can pickle them- but they will be pink. I think.

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: RangerSteve
Date: 11 May 05 - 03:34 PM

Where's the peck of pickled peppers Peter Piper picked?

And, can I grow pickled peppers? How?

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: GUEST
Date: 11 May 05 - 09:58 AM

hey yall, I have a question about history. Why did they make it?? it's really boring to learn about if your not a history teachor or proffesor.

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: GUEST,J
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 06:25 AM

soldiers are cool

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: GUEST,Scaramouche
Date: 16 Apr 05 - 01:13 PM

Never heard that one before. What I understood was that there is a time in his life we know nothing about, and just the way he describes soldiers, it feels right.

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: John O'L
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 07:55 PM

I think the arguement goes thus:

If the writer of the plays was in fact Marlowe, then the man Shakespeare who stood in for him when he had to disappear was a small landowner who had been a soldier.
I think Marlowe had been a soldier too.

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: GUEST,Scaramouche
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 12:27 PM

Actualy, there is a mystery about Shakespeare that I wonder what people think. Was he a soldier or wasn't he?

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 11:01 AM

I think it was Jim Dixon who asked:

Why were the pyramids built? (Sure, they look like tombs, but there's no proof anybody was ever buried in them.) Why did the Egyptians quit building pyramids?

Obvious. The real estate developers looked at occupancy records and decided there was severe overbuilding and marketing problems, so they stopped building them.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: John O'L
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 07:38 PM

...or that sophisticated

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: mack/misophist
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 06:46 PM

The shrub is clearly not a neanderthal. It's not that good looking.

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 10:25 AM

What happened to the Neanderthals? (Other than getting elected in Texas)

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: John O'L
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 10:08 AM

Cap'n, art sleeping thar below?

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: JennyO
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 08:37 AM

How many roads must a man walk down???

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Apr 05 - 11:09 AM

wow i would never have known if you hadnt asked.
sarcasm inundating the forum too.

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: GUEST,Bill D
Date: 13 Apr 05 - 10:07 AM

are rhetorical questions inundating the forum?

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Apr 05 - 09:53 AM

Easy. Real name is MacHeath.

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: John O'L
Date: 13 Apr 05 - 09:37 AM

What did Heathcliff do all that time in Liverpool?

Was he actually in Liverpool at all?

Were'd he get all that money from?

What was his real name?

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Apr 05 - 09:27 AM

how much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Apr 05 - 08:58 AM

Why didn't my post post?

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: robomatic
Date: 13 Apr 05 - 08:22 AM

Who really killed cock robin?

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: freda underhill
Date: 13 Apr 05 - 08:12 AM

what happened at Hanging Rock?


Was Harold Holt a spy for China? did they whisk him away in a submarine?



did einstein's wife write his theories?


why do birds fly south?

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Apr 05 - 05:32 AM

Status of women hindering developemnt? what of Europe then?

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Apr 05 - 05:30 AM

So Santa you decided he was naughty and not nice?

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: GUEST,Jay
Date: 13 Apr 05 - 05:25 AM

Will any one ever know the real reason for the mary celeste because i know. The chef got drunk on alcohol and gave everyone food poisoning he felt bad so lobbed them all overboard then he felt bad so he mashed himself over the side of the boat

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: GUEST,Jay
Date: 13 Apr 05 - 05:22 AM

i am santa

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: GUEST,Melani
Date: 16 Apr 04 - 07:07 PM

Amy Robsart had breast cancer, had been left alone in the house, and likely fell down the stairs on her own.

I eat Santa's cookies and milk.

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: InOBU
Date: 16 Apr 04 - 08:51 AM

Great man yerself Donuel... perfection... (I'd only add a guy holding a headline saying concervatives discount danger of impending eccological trouble! - ) no kidding, great stuff. Cheers Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: Pied Piper
Date: 16 Apr 04 - 08:31 AM

Donuel, it's a great picture and it would make a great Album (sorry CD)cover.
PP

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 07:37 PM

Jim Dixon, I did a painting of the great Black Sea flood.


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Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 07:01 PM

That makes sense ... but why always the left one Clinton ... is it the same reason water drains clockwise in the northern hemisphere?

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 06:41 PM

Are those like popsicles?

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 06:35 PM

So that way, when you walk, yer not banging them into each other...

d'uh

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 06:25 PM

Why does the left testicle hang lower than the right?

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: GUEST,petr
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 09:01 PM

Id take a stab at Ladyjeans question; re what went wrong with China and the Middle east.

you could say year 1000 rather than the 15th century,
because at that time both were far more advanced than Europe
by the 15th century things were starting to change. (with Gutenberg and the fall of Constantinople especially, since a lot of refugees and books (greek classics) arrived in Italy at the same time the printing press was

China: up until 1420 or so China was sending out explorers with huge ships, (far bigger than anything Spain or Portugal could muster) but there was a shift in power away from the eunuch philosopher/bureaucrats, further exploration was abandoned and the ships ordered destroyed. China was also a unified kingdom, compared to Europe which was a number of competing states (thereby honing their military skills as well as competing for resources and colonies)

The scientific tradition of logic and reasoning, which started in Ionian Greece, gave the Europeans an advantage as well, since you could make models and test with experiments, the Chinese believed that everything had a living force and thus you could not make models of the world. The chinese were also pigeonholed into their positions in life, one could not improve ones status, so theres no incentive to try.

As far as the ARabs, Cordoba Spain, did in fact have a scientific renaissance of sorts, in the 10-11th century - a lot was learned from translating the greek texts, and algebra, distillation of alcohol, as well as the latine sail, all came from the Arabs, - Id say that ultimately the pervasive religion and status of women hindered development.

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 06:41 PM

Re: Atlantis. There's a theory going around currently that the Black Sea was once a large inland lake, smaller and lower than now, with no connection to the Mediterranean. It had several villages around its shores. Rising sea levels due to the melting of ice at the end of the last ice age eventually caused water to break through the Bosporus, quickly (in geological terms) raising the water level in the Black Sea basin, inundating the villages and forcing their abandonment.

Although there is pretty strong evidence for the geological story, whether this is what gave rise to stories of the Biblical flood, or the sinking of Atlantis, is still pretty much conjecture.

Click here for a review in the journal Achaeology of the book Noah's Flood: The New Scientific Discoveries About the Event that Changed History by William Ryan and Walter Pitman.

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 04:41 PM

Yeah, put me down as curious about the Oak Island thing also.

I think we have a fair handle on the mystery of the "Lost Continent of Atlantis."

The legend pretty much originated with Plato, in his dialogues Timaios and Kritias. According to the story, Atlantis was a large island or small continent whose inhabitants had developed an exceptionally high standard of civilization.

Recent legends (within the past century) have been promulgated by kooks, woo-woos, and outright frauds. One of these was Richard S. Shaver, who wrote bad science fiction and fantasy and tried to peddle it as all true. Things like "The Hollow Earth" (ask your friendly neighborhood astromoner or physicist about bodies the size and mass of the earth possibly being hollow!) and "The Lost Continent of Lemura" (presumed to be like Atlantis, but in the Pacific, and taking the statues on Easter Island as the main evidence for its existence), are all part of this pulp-paper mythology. The legend of Atlantis got a big spurt with this sort of thing. Self-appointed mystics used to make a fair living going around and giving lectures on this stuff, and they drew surprisingly sizable audiences of pretty gullible people.

Actually, if there ever was such a place as Atlantis, it was probably the island of Thera, where there was indeed a highly developed civilization (relative to its times, but they had no special wisdom, nor, for that matter, had they mastered telepathy, levitation, astral projection, or space travel). The civilization came to an abrupt end when Thera, a volcanic island in the Aegean, erupted massively around 1600 BC (made Krakatoa look like a sneeze by comparison), wiped out everybody on the island, dumped ash on the whole eastern Mediterranean, and the resultant seismic sea waves (tsunamis) may have been responsible for legends like Noah's flood, the parting of the reed sea (Red Sea), and a whole bunch of other chronologically scrambled legends. The circular island of Santorini (a caldera) is all that remains of Thera—or Atlantis, if you will.

People quibble that Plato said that Atlantis was beyond the Gates of Hercules, or the Straits of Gibraltar, and that it happened 9,000 years before Plato's time, but others point out that there were places in and around the Aegean Sea that were referred to as "the Gates of Hercules" (there seemed to be no consensus as to where they actually were), and that the Thera eruption took place closer to 900 rather than 9,000 years before Plato's time—possible misplaced decimal. Also, Plato was certainly not an eye-witness to the sinking of Atlantis; he was drawing on legends.

As far as Atlantis being in the Atlantic Ocean somewhere, satellite technology, geodetic surveys, and deep-diving submarines and oceanographic research vessels have covered a lot of pretty soggy territory, discovered the mid-Atlantic ridge, tube worms and other strange life forms living around volcanic "smokers," and a whole bunch of other stuff about the deep oceans, with sunken buildings here and there, but—no sunken continents.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 03:23 PM

I'll 2nd Oak Island...

I also wanna know what REALLY happened to Travis Walton...

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: Teribus
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 02:52 PM

"What went wrong in China and the Middle east?"

On earth in the fifteenth century - to the present day.

China:
Too big, too vast to govern efficiently, or effectively. They considereded the rest of the world to be barbarians. Expended all their energy in trying to keep what they had together, became very introverted.

Europe:
Fall of the Eatern Roman Empire, the Renaissence and the knowledge that flooded west with the collapse, caused those in the west to question and challenge as they had never done before. We got rid of a church that for centuries had told people what to do and what to think, what was allowed and what wasn't. Major advances in science, technology, medicine and the arts.

Middle East:
They adopted a religion and a theocracy that told people what to do and what to think, what was allowed and what wasn't.

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 02:16 PM

I was going to ask "How did the Indian rope trick work?" – but I see from this site that the mystery has been solved; at least two ways! Take your pick which is correct.

I recall Penn & Teller (well, Penn, actually) saying on TV that they didn't know how it was done and would love to know, so they could add it to their repertoire.

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: LadyJean
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 01:03 AM

A classic line from one of my father's letters: "Your mother is reading a book that says Richard III didn't murder his two nephews. She'd never believe it if she'd seen Barrymore play him."

While we're at it, what happened to the Lost Colony? What were Aaron Burr and George Blennerhesset really up to? Did Dr. Mudd know whose leg he was setting? Who really killed Huey Long? Here's a biggie. If a Vulcan had landed on earth in the fifteenth century, he would have figured that in the 21st century, the Arabs and the Chinese would be on their way to Mars, while the barbarians of Europe would be struggling to heat their homes.
Said Vulcan would, of course, have been wrong.
So, what went wrong in China and the Middle east?

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 13 Apr 04 - 10:49 AM

Has anyone mentioned that Elizabeth I was also hinted at writing those plays?

But of far more importance, WHO eats the milk and cookies put out for Santa?..xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 13 Apr 04 - 09:38 AM

Speaking of another William Shakespeare with the same name...I recall a serious theory that the William Shakespeare who lived in Stratford and the William Shakespeare who acted and wrote plays in London were two different men with the same name. (I don't know enough details to either defend this theory or refute it.)

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Apr 04 - 09:26 AM

is there really a treasure on Oak Island, Nova Scotia ?

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: GUEST,Desdemona
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 12:49 PM

"QE1's love child"---LOL! And can we think of a less likely candidate for the father (hmmmm....it's brilliant: that whole Armada business was just a clever ruse...!)?!

There is evidence to support the idea that Marlowe had been working as part of Walsingham's underground spy network, and that the "great reckoning in a little room" wasn't just an ordinary argument over the bill, but it's probably impossible to know the deatils for certain.

Some of my other favourite crackpot theories, in terms of comic relief, are that QEI was the author of the plays (again, since she died in 1603, that was a pretty impressive trick!), or that he was in fact a MAN, baby (*another* neat trick---fooling all those ladies-in-waiting!!!)!

D.

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 12:20 PM

Which brings up something else I'd like to know: what was the real story behind the death of Chris Marlowe? Was he a spy for Walsingham, bumped off for reasons of State? Was he really QE1's love child, his father Philip of Spain? 8-)

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: GUEST,Desdemona
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 11:51 AM

There's an interesting theory that William Cecil was behind Amy Robsart's tumble downstairs, for the precise reason that he knew it would completely eliminate *any* possibility of QEI marrying Dudley. Howsoever it came about, I've never believed it was really an accident.

*Serious* academic scholars generally agree that William Shakespeare from Stratford upon Avon is the author of the plays, sonnets & lyric poems attributed to him. The various arguments bandied about re:his not having gone to university, etc, fail to take into account the fact that a university education was by no means considered the essential part of being a well-rounded person that it is in modern times. In the 16th century, attending unicversity was generally in the interest of entering clerical orders or studying the law, not in pursuit of a liberal arts & humanities education that it is today.

A person (like William Shakespeare, Ben Jonson, Thomas Middleton, et al) with "only" a grammar school education would have been more conversant with Latin & even Greek than most modern classics scholars, and would certainly have read Ovid's "Metamorphoses", for example (from which many themes are used in Shakespeare's work), in the original Latin, despite its availability in an English translation circa 1567.

The attribution of his work to various candidates who were dead (Oxford, Marlowe[dead in a tavern brawl in *1593*!!!, etc)] when a great many of the plays were written is at best simply amusing, and at worst just plain dumb!

D.

Subject: RE: BS: Histories Mysteries
From: Big Mick
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 10:06 AM

What's the mystery about the wee folk? Of course they are real, you feckin' eejit! Go ahead and have a go with the wee lads and see if they're not. Could we stick with things about which there is some doubt????

All the best,

Mick