BS: The Land that time forgot

Subject: BS: The Land that time forgot
From: Hand-Pulled Boy
Date: 08 Apr 04 - 09:47 AM

I can't make my mind up between Bransholme, Greatfield, Longhill, Orchard Park, Bilton Grange or Kingswood. But they all have one thing in common, they're all within the boundary of this amazing Kingdom called 'ull.

Subject: RE: BS: The Land that time forgot
From: Chief Chaos
Date: 08 Apr 04 - 10:20 AM

Thought you were starting another thread on Iraq or Afghanistan.
Can't bomb 'em back to the stone age when they never left it!

Subject: RE: BS: The Land that time forgot
From: CarolC
Date: 08 Apr 04 - 11:39 AM

Chief Chaos, whatever do you mean?

Subject: RE: BS: The Land that time forgot
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 Apr 04 - 11:42 AM

Chief Chaos:

No need to bomb them back to the stone age, just bomb 'em to Hull and back!

Subject: RE: BS: The Land that time forgot
From: Peace
Date: 08 Apr 04 - 11:46 AM

Dear H-P B: Would you please send me some of what you're taking? Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: The Land that time forgot
From: Sorcha
Date: 08 Apr 04 - 12:21 PM

Sagebrush and sandhills of Wyoming....

Subject: RE: BS: The Land that time forgot
From: ced2
Date: 08 Apr 04 - 01:49 PM

Don't tell him H P B!!! Unless he's from Yorkshire he simply would not understand, the shock would also probably kill him, let the final line of the Dalesman's litany suffice for all those who wish to know:- from Hull and Halifax and Hell good Lord deliver me. 'Nuff said.

Subject: RE: BS: The Land that time forgot
From: s6k
Date: 08 Apr 04 - 10:16 PM

bransholme and orchard park, only go there if you want to die. s6k

Subject: RE: BS: The Land that time forgot
From: gnomad
Date: 09 Apr 04 - 11:07 AM

What about Corned Beef Island?

Subject: RE: BS: The Land that time forgot
From: Chief Chaos
Date: 09 Apr 04 - 11:12 AM

CarolC:
Re: the subject of the thread.
I don't mean that we should bomb them.
Only that I feel that even though they are on a technological footing of many countries in existance, their social systems never evolved. The idea of strict Sharia law scares the willies out of me. Especially when it seems that the interpretation of that law is in the hands of the oldest, most conservative of their group.

Subject: RE: BS: The Land that time forgot
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Apr 04 - 12:12 PM

Hey, for the land that time forgot you should visit Washington DC!

No, wait...that's the land that reality forgot. Sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: The Land that time forgot
From: Chief Chaos
Date: 09 Apr 04 - 12:17 PM

Rapaire, good one!

My friends and I were talking about this the other day.

Washington D.C., Capitol of our great nation!
You'd think it would be a shining star, a representation of what every city in the world could be like under a competent democracy. The envy of the world!

Not!
It has the worst roads, the worst schools and some of the worst slums in the whole of the US and it's all encompassed in a 10 sq. mile area. The people living there are also a throwback to the colonial days in that they pay taxes but are not truly represented in the Gov't. They have representatives but they can't vote on anything!

Subject: RE: BS: The Land that time forgot
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Apr 04 - 12:36 PM

Chief Chaos, I think that the social orders of both of those countries did, indeed, evolve beyond the stone age, and even beyond religious fundamentalism. I'd say that it's the erosion of their normal social order by outside forces (Afghanistan having been used as a proxy by the Soviet Union and the US during the cold war and the power vacuum that created, along with the total distruction of their infrastructure, Iraq having their internal politics interfered with via covert CIA operations which culminated in the rise to power of Saddam, and the near total distruction of their infrastructure during both Bush/Iraq wars), that has caused a rise in religious fundamentalists gaining ascendence in both of those places. Same thing happened in Iran, which had a fledgeling democracy for a little while until the US crushed it, installing it it's place a ruthless dictator, the Shah.

It's we who are the barbarians. And we're very, very good at always making it look like it's someone else's fault.

Subject: RE: BS: The Land that time forgot
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Apr 04 - 01:09 PM

Absolutely right, Carol. Iraq was, for a time, the most modern and advanced country in the Muslim world with the most enlightened social policy. That ended when they were used as a US proxy for a terrible war on Iran, supplied with weapons of mass destruction by the great powers, then give the green light into the first Gulf War by being told totally misleading things by a US diplomat (April Glaspie, ambassador to Iraq at the time), and then invaded and pulverized by G.W.Bush in the latest Gulf War (which ain't over yet).

I've seen Washinton D.C. It's got some great public buildings and some fine old neighborhoods...but it's also a hellhole of crime, poverty and corruption. I would not want to live there.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: The Land that time forgot
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Apr 04 - 01:26 PM

"The idea of strict Sharia law scares the willies out of me."

That is precisely how it's supposed to work. The rough and ready variety in vogue in some places is called Zero Tolerance, intended to work in the same way.

Subject: RE: BS: The Land that time forgot
From: Amos
Date: 09 Apr 04 - 01:43 PM

I believe the diplomat in question might have been Donald Rumsfeld his own self, LH.

A

Subject: RE: BS: The Land that time forgot
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 09 Apr 04 - 02:02 PM

"The idea of strict Sharia law scares the willies out of me."

Hull sounds a fascinating place, overall.

Subject: RE: BS: The Land that time forgot
From: Hand-Pulled Boy
Date: 11 Apr 04 - 08:34 AM

It certainly is darling. We used to catch fish from here.

Subject: RE: BS: The Land that time forgot
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Apr 04 - 10:07 AM

The reason DC pays taxes but has "inadequate" representation in the US government is because DC was conceived of, and is, the "Federal City". The thought was, and it's a good one, that the city which houses the center of government shouldn't have such a voice and influence in the govenment that it overwhelms the others there.

My own idea is to decentralize the government -- make all the Senators and Representatives live in their home districts and telecommute. In a like manner, decentralize all of the functions of the Executive Branch (the Judicial Branch is already decentralized). That way the people could keep a close eye on the goings-on of their elected representatives. Yes, it would cost, but I sorta think that it would be cheaper in the long run than what we have now.

Subject: RE: BS: The Land that time forgot
From: Chief Chaos
Date: 11 Apr 04 - 06:32 PM

I think that at least the needs of the people of DC should be met from the tax monies that we all pay. TO let it sit and fester (federal buildings do as well but it's usually from the inside where it can't be seen)is just plain wrong. I know why it is that way, voting and all. I think it's rather strange that while the politicians try to spin and propagandize everything to look golden that a diplomat only needs look to the east side (295 corridor) to see just how bad America can be.

CarolC - I'm not deniying our involvement in the sorry state of affairs that is the middle east. I've said it before and I'll say it again that it's a bad idea to try to influence things to the US's liking through arming or supporting people who are bad news. We knew that Noriega and Hussein were bad guys and Osama was on the outs with his family during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. It always comes back to haunt us!

Subject: RE: BS: The Land that time forgot
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Apr 04 - 08:47 PM

CC, I quite agree. But I'm not a politician, and as long as I'm in my right mind I'm not likely to be.

Subject: RE: BS: The Land that time forgot
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Apr 04 - 08:57 PM

Excellent idea, Rapaire.

Subject: RE: BS: The Land that time forgot
From: Chief Chaos
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 02:03 PM

Rapaire,

Sanity is over rated in my opinion.
And its the politicians that claim to be sane.

Of course it would be vulgar to pour milions into the capital to make it a shining example while the rest of the country is left to swirl down the toilet.

Subject: RE: BS: The Land that time forgot
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Apr 04 - 11:32 AM

DC or Chocolate city as blacks like to call it ranks #1 in many areas: like Aids and worst/most violent schools.
I am for home rule. As it is now when a referendum is passed overwhelingly by the population, all it takes is some Congressman from Georgia to keep DC election results secret and prevent Democracy at every turn. There is nothing a white Southerner hates more than to see black democracy or cronyism. If DC was left to home rule it would be more liberal than San Francisco.

Today DC is an example of goverment the old fascist way. Everyone is busy taking power away form the mayor, and the mayor taking power away from the school boards etc.
I don't have the answers or even all the questions but DC isn't coming up with any great ideas of its own.
With all the schools falling down the mayor wants to build a $200 million stadium in the worst DC neighborhood imaginable.

IMHO I think the last 2 mayors should have been required to play sim city first.