BS: CBS to show Diana pix (21-Apr-2004)

Subject: BS: CBS to show Diana pix
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Apr 04 - 05:19 PM

It says on tonights UK news that CBS is to show film of Diana still in the wreck, after the accident in Paris.
Bad taste or what?

John

Subject: RE: BS: CBS to show Diana pix
From: Strick
Date: 21 Apr 04 - 05:24 PM

Yes.

Subject: RE: BS: CBS to show Diana pix
From: Shanghaiceltic
Date: 21 Apr 04 - 05:26 PM

Even when dead she is still not left alone.

Subject: RE: BS: CBS to show Diana pix
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 21 Apr 04 - 05:42 PM

I can't care any less

Subject: RE: BS: CBS to show Diana pix
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 04 - 06:34 PM

You know, I already saw the pictures in a trailer for the program, and was really shocked.

I don't know, this is just the sort of thing that is obscene to me--much more so than Janet Jackson's breast, for god sake. But pictures of a woman dying in a car wreck, regardless of who they are, shouldn't be on TV.

But I have a much harder time with the gore factor in the media than I do sex, which doesn't bother me, so long as it isn't exploitative. Which most of it is, of course.

Another example. The cover of Newsweek magazine after the terrorist bombing in Madrid had a photograph of bloody victims. Now, nothing like that was ever shown of 9/11, which begs the question (well, many questions) is it OK to show gore so long as it either doesn't directly effect us, as in Madrid, or we aren't responsible for it, as in showing the carnage of terrorist bombings in Israel, but not the civilian casualties in Iraq?

The pictures, BTW, looked pretty bad to me, though I will admit it was but a fleeting glimpse I caught.

Tasteless? Yeah, pretty much.

Subject: RE: BS: CBS to show Diana pix
From: Peter T.
Date: 21 Apr 04 - 07:47 PM

I wonder what Walter Cronkite will say. yours, Peter T.

Subject: RE: BS: CBS to show Diana pix
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 04 - 08:14 PM

BTW, the program that will be showing the photos is called "48 Hours" and is tv tabloid sort of show that normally broadcasts a lot of "true crime" sorts of grisly, yellow journalism sorts of stuff.

Wonder why the FCC isn't up in arms over this?

Subject: RE: BS: CBS to show Diana pix
From: Kaleea
Date: 22 Apr 04 - 02:23 AM

What happened to th alleged agreement that those pics would never be sold or bought or printed, etc.? So much for "rest in peace."
   How sad that people are so greedy that they must resort to such a horrendous thing. Sounds like it's time for a CBS boycott. If you are outraged, take pen to paper & mail a real letter (which is quite rare these days!) to CBS, and especially to the companies which advertise during the programming.
   It really hits the networks in the pocketbook when the advertises get hate mail for the bad/lousy/etc. subject matter shown on TV during which they paid big $$$ to have their ads running. When they yank their ads from that network, the network has to reconsider, as did the network when Ms. Jackson had her "wardrobe malfunction."

Subject: RE: BS: CBS to show Diana pix
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 04 - 07:59 AM

Unfortunately Kaleea, I don't think many people are outraged about being shown a photograph of a dying woman in a car wreck, because we are so inured to viewing graphic gore. Many people DO want to see those photos, just like they want to slow down at look at the car wreck on the road, or follow the fire trucks...

Subject: RE: BS: CBS to show Diana pix
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 22 Apr 04 - 08:09 AM

Many human beings have a ghoulish nature. Not that long ago, we got our jollies from watching lions maul people in a pit, and going to a local hanging was the height of both fashion and entertainment.

We need to put this is perspective. I'm not saying I like it or agree with it, because I don't. But we have been watching broken and dead bodies on the television and newspapers, along with sensationalizing all forms of violence as continuing Box Office success for all our "civilized" lives.

The only thing here that is different is that it's Diana, and for whatever reason it was necessary for the British public to do so, they deified this poor woman when she died, and now showing us such grisly pictures is some kind of up-dated version of giving people a chance to see one of the left-out stations of that lady's personal road to death.

Forgive my cynicism..xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: CBS to show Diana pix
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 04 - 08:21 AM

Well the photograph isn't gore, really, as it isn't clear what is blood and what isn't. It showed her face, and she is unconcious, slumped over. But it is a photograph that would certainly qualify as ghoulish, so thanks for that word.

While I agree the main interest in it is because it is of Diana, I wouldn't agree that if the photograph of another crash victim was shown, people wouldn't be interested in seeing it, because they would. The combination of car crash victim and celebrity is the most intoxicating of all, of course. Which is why everyone wanted to see the photographs of Jayne Mansfield's decapitated torso.

Subject: RE: BS: CBS to show Diana pix (21-Apr-2004)
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 22 Apr 04 - 12:28 PM

I agree with you, GUEST. My point was not that only Diana caused people to be interested, but that the furor over showing her photo opposed to, for instance, the hundreds of times we watched JFK get his head blown to pieces says more about the regard she was held in by the British public. It's just the hypocracy of our times. I doubt we'll ever get enough blood and guts to satiate the human desire to see it...xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: CBS to show Diana pix (21-Apr-2004)
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 22 Apr 04 - 12:37 PM

the difference here though is that many saw JFK shot LIVE or by LIVE broadcast. this is release of footage that hasn't already had worldwide distribution.

Subject: RE: BS: CBS to show Diana pix (21-Apr-2004)
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 22 Apr 04 - 12:47 PM

And that makes the former LESS gruesome?

Subject: RE: BS: CBS to show Diana pix (21-Apr-2004)
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 04 - 12:52 PM

"Which is why everyone wanted to see the photographs of Jayne Mansfield's decapitated torso."

Did they? Skipped that one, too.

Subject: RE: BS: CBS to show Diana pix (21-Apr-2004)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 22 Apr 04 - 01:09 PM

Interesting that you say they only wanted to see her torso! Was it the tits?
John

Subject: RE: BS: CBS to show Diana pix (21-Apr-2004)
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 04 - 01:26 PM

I can't remember now actually. I just remember hearing as a youngster that when she was killed in a car accident, that she was decapitated, and there were rumors of there being photos. I know I saw the picture of the car.

I don't think it was the breasts people wanted to see. At least, it wasn't what I as a youngster was curious about. I wanted to know HOW the head could be ripped off, more than the blood and guts part.

Subject: RE: BS: CBS to show Diana pix (21-Apr-2004)
From: open mike
Date: 22 Apr 04 - 02:23 PM

wasn't it the photograhers whho CAUSED her death?

Subject: RE: BS: CBS to show Diana pix (21-Apr-2004)
From: Blackcatter
Date: 22 Apr 04 - 02:52 PM

many saw JFK shot LIVE or by LIVE broadcast.

Actually, the only people who saw it live were those standing around the parade route at that location - some couple hundered people at most. The movies we have of it are not news footage, but private films in 8 mm format. The parade was not shown live, even in Dallas. Most people heard about the assasination with news cut ins in TV and especially radio - 1963, most people were listening to the radio at workplaces, etc.)

As for Diana - This is yet another reason why I refuse to be included in the human race. Don't want any part of that crap.

Subject: RE: BS: CBS to show Diana pix (21-Apr-2004)
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 04 - 05:09 PM

The French investigation said that the accident was not caused by the photographers, but by the driver of the limo who was drunk and going too fast.

But the photographers were there, and one took the photographs of her in the car.

It begs the question, how much did CBS pay to get them?

First, I can't conceive of anyone being such a cruel, cynical person that they would take a photograph of such a scene. Second, I can't conceive of anyone having so little integrity that they would pay money for it be broadcast on tv.

But hey, that's capitalism for you.

Subject: RE: BS: CBS to show Diana pix (21-Apr-2004)
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 03:51 AM

Sure, just show this pix on TV because in the US the can't stop loving to look at this !!
However, when Jannet Jackson shows here nipple, a line has been crossed, ofcourse.
But a dying Diana is not beyond this line ???
Bunch of hypocrits

Subject: RE: BS: CBS to show Diana pix (21-Apr-2004)
From: GUEST,IAN BELGIUM
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 01:14 PM

EVERY DAY WE SEE DEAD BODIES ON TV (news),so what's the difference???

Subject: RE: BS: CBS to show Diana pix (21-Apr-2004)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 01:30 PM

I saw part of the program--the photo was a black and white photocopy of a photo in which you saw Diana prone and her profile looked like she was sleeping. The French attorney for the photographers said she was beautiful when she left the club and still beautiful after the accident.

The decapitation story of Jayne Mansfield's death is a myth. She was not decapitated--but the actual death wasn't any better, all things considered. The link is to Snopes.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: CBS to show Diana pix (21-Apr-2004)
From: Deckman
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 01:32 PM

Ellen, lest I let YOU be the only one being cynical!!! As I said on the "Walmart" thread: "Anyone who shops at Walmart deserves them!" And here I say, "Anone who watches commercial TV deserves it!" CHEERS, Bob

Subject: RE: BS: CBS to show Diana pix (21-Apr-2004)
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 02:42 PM

Didn't want to see pictures of her when she was alive. Why should I want to see ANY now?
Quack!!
GtD.

Subject: RE: BS: CBS to show Diana pix (21-Apr-2004)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 05:06 PM

Bob,

The commercial television that gets watched most around here seems to be The Simpsons in its many petes and repeats. My kids love it! I did set the DVR to record the Princess Di program (no time to watch it when it ran) because I was curious about the tenor and justification they would use to run the photos. I can't say how the whole program went because I watched only about 10 minutes, but I think their justification for showing as little of the much that was available was borderline justified. They spoke with a doctor who was first on the scene, and they spoke to the attorney for cameramen who became defendants in a trial to do with their possibly causing the wreck. What I saw of the program was nothing out of the ordinary as far as these kind of news magazines go.

In a day and age when more and more news departments are being absorbed into the entertainment departments of networks, the cynical response is understandable. But there are some commercial news programs that are worth waiting through the ads. Nightline (though I haven't remembered to watch it for a while) is excellent. I like some of the Sunday morning programs, particularly CBS's Sunday Morning, though that's more of a news magazine. I like it because they try to present the upbeat things going on in the news and the arts (refreshing after a week of death and destruction).

Most of my news comes from the radio and Internet newspapers rather than tv these days. And my firewall and pop-up blocker take care of most of the ads!

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: CBS to show Diana pix (21-Apr-2004)
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Apr 04 - 08:28 AM

I hadn't thought to check Snopes for the Mansfield story. Thanks for the link. I stand corrected. She wasn't decapitated, but "the upper portion of this white female's head was severed."

I didn't watch 48 Hours, only saw the trailer of the photo. I agree, the tenor of the program was probably no different than it's other shows. As I said, these "newsmagazines" do a lot of true crime genre, yellow journalism of a sensationalist nature. And I know that is why they have high ratings. Many people love to see this sort of stuff. So in that sense, I suppose the Diana photos fit right in, because those types of photos do get used on such programs. But I still think it was in really poor taste to use the photo of Diana in the car as their advertisement to lure people into watching yet another Diana special.

The true crime sorts of "newsmagazines" aren't the same genre as 60 Minutes (the original anyway) or the Sunday morning shows, which don't do the grisly crime stories, IMO. Don't you wish we got high quality programming with stories on the arts and culture, like 60 Minutes does every week? Hell, even PBS doesn't give us that. It is all celebrity, celebrity, celebrity. Violence, violence, violence. Bad sitcom after bad sitcom. Insipid "drama". It is a load of crap.