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Subject: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: Stu
Date: 05 May 04 - 12:12 PM

It was all so much nicer when Walt and his buddies stuck to drawing talking mice, now they're acting for those nasty men at the White House!

It seems freedom of speech is not as treasured a part of the constitution as the right to carry gun, as Michael Moore has just found out - see here .

Love him or loathe him, he's got the right to say what he wants.

All aboard for Disneyworld!


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: Chief Chaos
Date: 05 May 04 - 12:22 PM

I'll defend Disney.
You don't see them putting out pornographic movies or movies which are "gung-ho" war. Why do you expect them to not be selective in releasing films which may compromise their image as a company that caters mostly to children and families in a politically neutral way?

I'm sure that the film will be released, just under someone else's name. Or a black market copy will end up all across the internet.

By the way, Disney owns ABC, and owns Nightline which just got censored by the TV stations. I don't see them doing this "for the Man". In this case it is their product and they can decide whether to release it or not.

And since we don't know the content of the film, it may be that Disney is worried that it's contents (the author's views) are not verifiable and may open them up to libel suits.


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 05 May 04 - 12:22 PM

Well honestly, it's Disney fercrissake, whaddya expect?

Don't worry about Michael Moore. Ain't nothin gonna stop that man from showing his film. And with any luck, this will give him tons of publicity in advance of it being shown at Cannes...xx..e


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 May 04 - 12:24 PM

I'll be interested to see it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: Amos
Date: 05 May 04 - 12:25 PM

There ya go -- what could be better PR for the underdog than being blackballed by the Megamouse, the incarnation of all things cellulose, derivative, phony and shallow? It just makes Moore look more genuine!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: DougR
Date: 05 May 04 - 12:42 PM

Perhaps Disney was concerned about law suits. That ever occur to you? Moore is not always very diligent about researching his subjects before creating a film that depicts things as he either: sees them, or wishes they were.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: dianavan
Date: 05 May 04 - 12:50 PM

Moore will probably sweep Cannes. The movie will eventually make it to video and we'll all see it anyway.

I'm surprised that Michael Moore ever dreamed that Disney... would ever do anything to upset the Bush league. Wasn't Disney a McCarthyite? Looks like the company inherited his right-wing ideology.


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: Chief Chaos
Date: 05 May 04 - 12:57 PM

Hey Amos - Leave my mouse buddy alone. I need a place that I can escape to once in awhile where things are green, animals and plants talk and sing, where people can dream, dreams come true, everything is phony and in the end (well except for old yella) everything has a happy ending.

And before you bring it up, I know I could get the same from a few puffs or an electric strawberry, but drugs are out of the question for me (*BG*)


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: Blackcatter
Date: 05 May 04 - 12:58 PM

Maybe Disney had other reasons not to handle the movie. Disney has some ecconomic struggles currently, just weathered a buy-out and still has a CEO that 45% of the voting stock-holders have little confidence in. They may just have bigger things to worry about that a movie with will generate a relatively small amount of $$ for them, but will put them in the national press in a way they don't like to be.

That being said - please don't think I'm a big fan of Disney (I have lived in Diney World's shadow for 20 years and am in the tourism business in Orlando).


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: Stu
Date: 05 May 04 - 12:59 PM

Chief Chaos,

Here's how Disney view their target audience


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 05 May 04 - 01:06 PM

If I'm Michael Moore I'm starting to get an idea of what my next film is going to be about....


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: Stu
Date: 05 May 04 - 01:10 PM

Oops! Pressed the wrong button. here we go again:

Chief Chaos,

Here's how Disney view their target audience.

"pornographic movies or movies which are "gung-ho" war". Correct on the porno, but then that's the USAs biggest grossing entertainment industry, so I guess the competition's a little fierce in there.

The Moore movie has been produced by Miramax, a company now owned by Disney. their roster of movies include "Kill Bill" (1&2 - extreme violence) "Cold Mountain" (realistic war scenes) and "Hellraiser" (where one of the main protagonists has nails in his head), so how does that sit with "their image as a company that caters mostly to children and families"?

This is simply the denial of free speech. If Disney doesn't give a stuff about releasing a violent Tarantino film to the population, why not the Moore film. Even money doesn't seem to be an issue - Moore is one of the bestselling authors in the western world at the moment.

Anyway, surely the Americans believe in free speech as in inalienable right, so why wouldn't the all-American corporation be proud to fly the flag for democracy?


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: Blackcatter
Date: 05 May 04 - 01:14 PM

One company saying no is not a free-speech issue!

Moore has had motion pictures, tv shows, books, interviews in every media and more - he should be the last person to cry "censorship."


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: Amos
Date: 05 May 04 - 01:20 PM

Sure, CC -- knock yerself out. Our culture seems to be divided between those who mess up the real world by being engaged but doing dumb things, and those who are busy escaping it by becoming sports fans or Mouseketeers. Six of one, half-a-dozen of the other! Sigh.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 05 May 04 - 07:26 PM

I always thought Tweety Pie was the Incarnation of Evil.


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: pdq
Date: 05 May 04 - 07:56 PM

Don't feel too sorry for Michael Moore. He has averaged over $20 million per for the last several years and is actually "over-exposed" by the news media. Very few countries would allow him the right to be a professional hatemonger. None would allow such rich compensation for it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: dianavan
Date: 05 May 04 - 08:23 PM

Nobody feels sorry for Michael Moore.

I do feel sorry people who are naive enough to believe that Disney is family entertainment at its finest. Want a laugh, watch Bambi. When Bambi gets lost, the buck won't let the doe look for her fawn because its a man's job. It only gets worse from there. Rent Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer, too. At least its good for a laugh and you get to see the kind of pablum you were fed as a kid.

I want to see hard-hitting entertainment and Michael Moore is one of the very few with the courage to show it. Good for him. Disney or not - we will see it anyway. Disney's loss.

Foolestroupe - Tweety is not a Disney character but I agree. Tweety was an aggravating and irritating little.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: Peace
Date: 05 May 04 - 08:25 PM

Gawd. For a moment there I thought this was started by GUEST. Glad it's a sane person instead.


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: Bobert
Date: 05 May 04 - 08:55 PM

Where's Donuel when we need him? I can see a cartoon with Mickey Mouse and Rupert Murdock in bed together... You all can fill in the caption for yourselves...

But yeah, Disney ain't what it used to be. It's ain't about cartoons but media control. They pumped a lotta dough into the Bush election with the purpose of overturning the FCC media ownership controls. When Congree got wind of it and put up a stink, Bush and Mickey Mouse decided to stick it in the Omnibus Spending Bill and it got thru... Now Congree, even some Repubs, are trying to drag it back out and stop Mickey and Friends from completely seizing the media... Good luck to them.... They're also trying to wrangle a bunch of other crap, including abolishmnent of overtime pay to millions of folks, back outta Bush's Spending bill. Like I said, good luck...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: GUEST
Date: 05 May 04 - 09:13 PM

For those of you who don't know what the controversial aspect of the film is that caused Eisner to pull the film, it is the reports showing links between the Bush dynasty, the Saudi Royals, and the bin Laden dynasty. The film is highly critical of the Bush administration's handling of 9/11 and it's aftermath. It will be the first highly visible, mainstream American documentary to examine those things critically.

So, the reason why Eisner yanked the film? The Disney properties in Florida Bush country. The tax breaks. The environmental loopholes. The business friendly deals for the Disney monolith, so they can get around laws like OSHA, and can steamroller any local opposition to expansion, pollution, congestion, etc. All those "friendly" agreements they've made with the Bush dynasty, including those FCC things Bobert mentioned.

So when Disney says it isn't censorship, or about free speech, they are probably being honest. To them it is about the bottom line. In all likelihood, the Michael Moore film will be a huge grossing film this year, and Disney could have had a piece of it. But the bigger piece of pie that matters to them is the FCC shit, the Florida connections to the Bush family, etc.

I think I'll go picket this summer's Disney films for the kiddies.


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: GUEST
Date: 06 May 04 - 01:29 PM

the title of this thread is completly redundant


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: Amos
Date: 06 May 04 - 01:37 PM

We licked these Eisnerians good 'n' proper the last time they messed with Tern and we can do it again if they don't mind their wicked ways!! We are not the type Mickey wants to mess with.

A

(There are five linked threads that start with the one linked here. It's a bit of a long read...but worth it.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 May 04 - 03:17 PM

Well, look what did happen to Bambi's mum, dianavan!


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: Chief Chaos
Date: 06 May 04 - 03:34 PM

Dianavan get a grip hon! They're called fairy tales for a reason!
Except for the WWII training films and shorts you don't see the characters running around with guns killing people, doing drugs, raping women, etc.

Films like Bambi have to be viewed in a historical context. Sure Bambi's dad said it was man's work. Back then that's the way it was. Nowadays you have things like Kim Possible (super smart, super capable young lady hero, fighting the evil idiot male Dr. Dracken with her naive and not so smart, not so capable sidekick Ron Stoppable. Didn't you see Beauty and the Beast where the Macho hunk hunter was portrayed as an ignorant, manipulative, blackmailing fool who destroyed all that he couldn't posess?

You've come a long way Baby! From barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen to standing before a pile of naked Iraqis with a big grin and a thumbs up!


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 06 May 04 - 03:50 PM

Busnesses do not practice cencorship. They make business decisions.   You can agree with them or not agree with.   Consumers vote with their pocketbook.    This is the best thing that could have happened for Moore.    The film will be distributed by someone else, and he has gotten more publicity than he could have paid for.

After the film is distributed, consumers will again vote with their pocketbook on how many will see the film.   

Personally- I think if Michael Moore was one of the prisoners in the Iraq prison, most americans would have cheered.


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: Amos
Date: 06 May 04 - 03:53 PM

"Most Americans" ?? -- if your world is populated by people of that temperament, I pity you. But let's back off on the use of overwhelmingly inaccurate generalities. I know a lot of people and perhaps only the most insane, perhaps 2 per cent, would even entertain the notion of adding to the misery in that prison, let alone laughing about it.

Or perhaps you think tortue is the American way?

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 May 04 - 05:12 PM

"Most Americans" - maybe you're right, they're your compatriots, I imagine. I'd much sooner believe Amos, and that fits in with most Americans I've ever met. But I could just have been lucky, and "most Americans" really are as depicable as you say, Larry K.


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: Amos
Date: 06 May 04 - 09:22 PM

It now appears that the Miramax contract was only for funding, not for distribution, and Eisner told Moore's agent months ago he intended not to distribute the film. If true, this means Moore is milking and falsifying for the sake of publicity. Even if it works, it means he's lying with the best of them, regardless of his nice intentions. Of course, the facts are being torqued by both sides at the moment.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: Blackcatter
Date: 06 May 04 - 09:40 PM

And of course we have all the facts so making a well informed opinion about who's lying and who's telling the truth is easy to do.

sheesh


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: Amos
Date: 06 May 04 - 09:50 PM

Hey, I never said I had all the facts. I support Michael Moore in general as a ballsy seeker kinda guy. I just don't want him lying to me, any more than I want the rednecks in the White House lying to me.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: dianavan
Date: 06 May 04 - 11:31 PM

Chief Chaos - There have always been women who have committed criminal acts. To use the female soldier as a way of "putting me in my place" was unjustified and plain nasty.

What started out as "liberation" for women was quickly siezed and turned on its heels. I don't consider working for "Da Man" any kind of liberation at all. I wish you wouldn't look at only the extremes as models for women. I would hope that most women take a more balanced approach - I'm sure they do.

Back to Bambi - The video I saw was preceded by about 10 minutes of proaganda, describing Colin Powell as a Hero. I think that was the first time in Iraq. Pretty strange and boring, too, since it was Canadian kids watching it.

Does military service make you feel liberated from Da Man? I heard you guys had to take alot of orders. I also heard that some of those orders come from "private contractors". Some freedom.


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: DougR
Date: 07 May 04 - 02:21 AM

Gov. Jeb Bush has publically announced that he is not aware that Disney got any of the special tax breaks Moore has announced they got. I doubt he would go public with something like that unless it was correct.

Moore is an opportunist. He gets media attention and that sells his movies. He is the epitomy of what most of you despise, a very successsful marketer of his product which makes him a (horrors!)a CAPITALIST!

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: dianavan
Date: 07 May 04 - 04:01 AM

DougR - I don't think that capitalists are necessarily evil. In fact, I think that capitalism can provide us with a healthy, competitive marketplace. I do, however, believe that its time most of the capitalists grab a few ethics. In fact, I don't think North American society stands a chance of turning anything around until the capitalists decide to stop being so damned greedy and start to realize that their own health and well-being is dependent on the health and well-being of the world.


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 07 May 04 - 04:42 AM

Michael Moore a "hatemonger"? ["pdq"]---what's the American equivalent of "utter bollocks"? I can agree with those who note that he does tend to under-research some of his history---but his general conclusions and moral standpoints are spot-on. I'd say the man does hate---but his "hatred" is directed straight at the perpetrators of hatred, slaughter, lying, injustice and oppression.


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 08 May 04 - 11:16 AM

Anyone know who owns the rights to the film?


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: Amos
Date: 08 May 04 - 11:21 AM

Gov. Jeb Bush has publically announced that he is not aware that Disney got any of the special tax breaks Moore has announced they got. I doubt he would go public with something like that unless it was correct.


Oh, Doug...surely you have learned that being unaware is a specialty of all Bush's? It is a specialty of theirs, and I think it is in their genes. They practice it. They are experts at unawareness. They use it in their domestic arrangements, at work, in personal relationships, in their philosophies -- why, there's nothing in their lives that a good dose of it can't fix up according to their way of doing things. No, unawareness is something you won't find being done better than the Bush clan does it. It's their mark, their profession, and they are past masters at it.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: Tracey Dragonsfriend
Date: 08 May 04 - 01:56 PM

Like they say : Dont'cha mess wid da Mouse...


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: DougR
Date: 08 May 04 - 04:50 PM

Mebbe so, Amos, but consider this: if Disney gets tax breaks, the media will find it out, and Jeb will look pretty dumb for not knowing about it. I think he is smart enough to know that.

Probably just another example of poor research on your hero's part.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 08 May 04 - 05:13 PM

It's not about Disney as much as Eisner and Jeb Bush.

Micheal Moore is dilligent about his film-making. It's just that it steps on toes.
His "facts" are indisputable albeit subject to interpretation.

There was criticism of his depiction of Charlton Heston in the stages of Alzheimers but he was the leading spokesperson for the NRA.

Moore is blunt, not Republican PC but can back up his facts quite easilly.

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: Amos
Date: 08 May 04 - 05:17 PM

Doug,

I have not made heros out of any of them, sorry. It takes a better ration of both ethics and communication skills even than those commanded by Michasel Moore to put me into hero-worship mode. W has none of either.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 May 04 - 06:16 PM

Moore is sure a helluva lot better with his facts than the Bush administration is with its lies 'scuse me- facts.

Best, Greg


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: GUEST,limprock13@hotmail.com
Date: 08 May 04 - 07:20 PM

Ya know, I used to enjoy listening to Moore. Then i realized I started doing what 99% of his fans do, take in absolutely everything he says. Bowling was a great documentary, but the Walmart scene and the cases with the national rifle association were rediculous. That woman had nothing to do with the shootings yet Moore went in and emarrassed her and gave her hell for it. And the gun shows could not be changed without the association receiving enormous fines. Stop listening to every word out of Moore's mouth. Besides Moore, ask yourself how many other political voices you know as well as him, cause I bet you are extremely limited in your knowledge. Disney's company has its serious flaws like any company, but they still have created enjoying entertainment to millions and millions of children over the year.


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: Chief Chaos
Date: 08 May 04 - 07:33 PM

Whoa!

I wasn't trying to put you in your place! I wouldn't consider myself a sensitive new age guy, but I wasn't trying to diss you. You were citing the scene from bambi that nowadays is male chauvenist at its worst! All I was doing is pointing out that we're using todays standards of behavior to deal with what is a classic film (that doesn't need updating). It's a cartoon! A fairy tale!

I then pointed out that Disney has updated it's world view and is offering fare that is empowering to females and minorities instead of being the stereotypical treatment like cinderella and snow white (waiting for their prince to come). Although I'm not familiar with the actual tale of Mulan, the main female character overcame so many societal handicaps to achieve her goals and protect those that she loved that it was inspiring as well as very entertaining.

The last comment was not a direct jab at you!
It was merely a comment based on recent events and I thought it was rather ironic. Maybe I should have ended it with a sigh? My apologies if I offended you, it was definitely not my intent.

I don't know what you saw about Colon Powell, I go to the theatres with my kids and haven't seen what you did. Was this a Disney produced short or something that the theatre did?

As far as working for the man, I've got to work for someone, male, female, caucasian, other race, whatever. Doesn't matter to me as long as they're a good boss and my paychecks on time.

THe military is not a democracy, it's pretty much a dictatorship. Somtimes you're the 'tater, sometimes you're the dick! (That's what I tell my troops when their is something we don't want to do (we call them SLJs - Shitty Little Jobs). I take orders, I give orders. The job gets done.

Stigweard - I'm sorry, I guess I don't understand what that article was supposed to mean. The cartoon took a topical event and adapted it to a cartoon. Penny Proud learned that what she was doing was a crime and hurt people, whether she intended to or not. I also think it was a fairly good stab at the outrage by the recording industry who have overcharged customers for years and then stick it to the artist on royalties, and the over the top invasion of privacy response.

Did you miss the fact that this series is the first Disney series to ever be about an African American Family? Why is it that thirty years ago this would have been a major breakthrough in race relations but now is considered a marketing ploy?


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: Blackcatter
Date: 08 May 04 - 07:58 PM

For course Disney is getting tax breaks in Florida - they may not just be "special" ones. They get breaks based on the amount of land they own (one plot of land twice the size of Manhatten Is.), the number of employees (approx. 70,000), and the amount of tourism dollars Disney bring in (Orlando is the number one tourist destination in the world with around 40 million visitors annually.

I am no fan of Disney, but you have no idea the impact Disney makes on the state's economy. And that is the way capitalism works. If you don't like it, you've got to change the system. In a capitalist society, big business ALWAYS comes first. Government comes second since that insures that the status quo is kept.


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: DougR
Date: 09 May 04 - 03:39 PM

Amos, Frank: The Orlando Sentinal researched the tax break for Disney question. They get none! So "what's his name" is a dedicated researcher? His "facts" are unquestionable? Right.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: dianavan
Date: 09 May 04 - 04:32 PM

Somewhere in history, it was decided that there should be separation of church and state. Maybe it is high time that business be separated from government.


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: Amos
Date: 09 May 04 - 05:25 PM

I have no opinion, DougR -- you may well be right. Who owns the Sentinel, by the way?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: Chief Chaos
Date: 10 May 04 - 11:48 AM

Dianavan - couldn't agree with you more on that one.
A report out a couple months ago showed that 60% of american companies didn't pay a cent in taxes. Most of our state governments are bending over backwards to give tax relief to businesses so that they will come to the state, stay in the state, not make any lay-offs or hire more people. This is the biggest rip off I've ever heard of. Sure the companies make money and it is their bottom line that they need to be concerned with. But they also use the roads, utilities, etc. in the area. They are protected by the area police fire dept., paramedics etc. (Unless they are so big that they are required to have their own fire fighting service (not too many that are that big)). We are putting a greater demand on the infrastructure and expecting the workers to bear the burden with their taxes when all too often the business either causes property values to dive (industrial plants) or their aren't enough workers to actually shoulder the debt burden.

The big businesses play states against each other to get the biggest break. It's time for the governors to come together and say, no more! You want to do business? Then you'll have to do it within these minimum guidelines that have been agreed to by all the governors. If you take your jobs overseas then who'll have any money to buy your products.


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: Blackcatter
Date: 10 May 04 - 12:13 PM

The Orlando Sentinel is owned by the Tribune Company - one of the leargest of the "small" media conglomarates.

And as a resident of Orlando for over 20 years, I would gently suggest that you cannot always trust the Sentinel when it comes to covering Disney news. Disney has a lot of power 'round here.

Thought, once again, Disney probably doesn't get "special" tax breaks. But they get regular ones based on their imopact on the economy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Disney, empire of evil!
From: DougR
Date: 10 May 04 - 02:04 PM

Sorry, Blackcatter, but I think that is a pretty poor argument if you are supporting Moore's claim.

DougR


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