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Subject: BS: interrogation contracts From: dianavan Date: 15 May 04 - 06:24 PM Maybe you're not interested or maybe I titled the last thread incorrecly so I'm giving it another shot. The Taguba report lists the names of Steven Stefanowicz and John Israel as the interrogators that ordered the 'softening' of prisoners by U.S. military personnel. I am shocked that nobody seems to notice the significance of this. Steven Stefanowica was a naval reservist and CIA wannabe who became a sub-contractor for a contractor. He is a U.S. citizen who calls Australia his home. John Israel might be a pseudonym for any Iraeli interrogator. Nobody seems to know anything about him. He seems to have disappeared. These guys have to be found and questioned if we are ever to get close to the truth about about the prison torture and subsequent beheading. If you find anything about either of these two, they are on my most wanted list. Please post below. |
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Subject: RE: BS: interrogation contracts From: Ebbie Date: 15 May 04 - 07:04 PM http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&ncid=564&e=4&u=/nm/20040515/ts_nm/iraq_abuse_pentagon_dc_5 "Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld approved a plan that brought unconventional interrogation methods to Iraq to gain intelligence about the growing insurgency, ultimately leading to the abuse of Iraqi prisoners, the New Yorker magazine reported on Saturday. Rumsfeld, who has been under fire for the prisoner abuse scandal, gave the green light to methods previously used in Afghanistan for gathering intelligence on members of al Qaeda, which the United States blames for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the magazine reported on its Web site" |
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Subject: RE: BS: interrogation contracts From: freda underhill Date: 15 May 04 - 09:01 PM A US report claims US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld approved interrogation methods in Iraq (AFP) http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1109140.htm US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld approved a plan that brought unconventional interrogation methods to Iraq to gain intelligence about the growing insurgency, the New Yorker magazine reports. The magazine reports that Mr Rumsfeld, who has been under fire for a prisoner abuse scandal, gave the green light to methods previously used in Afghanistan for gathering intelligence on members of Al Qaeda. Pentagon spokesman Jim Turner says he has not seen the story and could not comment. The article hits newsagencies tomorrow. US interrogation techniques have come under scrutiny amid revelations that prisoners at the Abu Ghraib prison outside Baghdad were kept naked, stacked on top of one another, forced to engage in sex acts and photographed in humiliating poses. Mr Rumsfeld, who has rejected calls by some Democrats and a number of major newspapers to resign, calls the scandal a "body blow".Seven soldiers have been charged. The abuse has prompted worldwide outrage and has shaken US global prestige as President George W Bush seeks re-election in November. Mr Bush has backed Mr Rumsfeld and says the abuse was abhorrent but the wrongful actions of only a few soldiers. The US military has now prohibited several interrogation methods from being used in Iraq, including sleep and sensory deprivation and body "stress positions".The New Yorker reports the interrogation plan was a highly classified "special access program", or SAP, that gave advance approval to kill, capture or interrogate "high-value" targets. Such secret methods were used extensively in Afghanistan but more sparingly in Iraq - only in the search for former President Saddam Hussein and weapons of mass destruction. As the Iraqi insurgency grew and more US soldiers died, Mr Rumsfeld and Defence Under Secretary for Intelligence Stephen Cambone expanded the scope to bring the interrogation tactics to Abu Ghraib. The magazine, which bases its article on interviews with several past and present American intelligence officials, reports the plan was approved and carried out last year after deadly bombings in August at the UN headquarters and Jordanian Embassy in Baghdad. -- Reuters Sunday, May 16, 2004. 9:58am |
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Subject: RE: BS: interrogation contracts From: dianavan Date: 15 May 04 - 10:20 PM Apparently, John Israel worked for Titan. Among other things, Titan left the commercial sector and began working for the military in 2002. They have made millions (maybe billions) off this war. I wonder who the major shareholders might be. Hmmmmm....... http://www.titan.com/investor/ttn_factsheet.pdf?select=2 |
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Subject: RE: BS: interrogation contracts From: dianavan Date: 15 May 04 - 10:38 PM Steven Stefanowicz: He became an Intelligence Specialist 3rd Class‚ U.S. Naval Reserve‚ on Feb. 8‚ 2002‚ according to information supplied by Lt. Mike Kafka‚ Navy spokesman. Stefanowicz also received numerous awards‚ ribbons and medals during his service. "The New Yorker" magazine on May 1 listed Stefanowicz as an interrogation specialist working with CACI International‚ a private contractor. Sorry about not providing the blue clicky. You can google his name and find out more. CACI and Titan are making billions on this war. Who are the shareholders? This war is definitely about greed and corruption. Blaming this on religion or trying to find a way out politically is like beating your head against the wall. Have you heard the latest? Kerry thinks Israel has the best methods of dealing with terrorists. I think I'm gonna puke. |
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Subject: RE: BS: interrogation contracts From: GUEST, whose posts are rarely excellent Date: 15 May 04 - 11:46 PM A Blue Clicky |
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Subject: RE: BS: interrogation contracts From: Amergin Date: 15 May 04 - 11:50 PM and remember that these people are civilian contractors...not mercenaries.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: interrogation contracts From: GUEST, whose posts are rarely excellent Date: 15 May 04 - 11:57 PM Oh Dear! |
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Subject: RE: BS: interrogation contracts From: dianavan Date: 16 May 04 - 01:45 AM Amergin - What is the difference between a sub contractor hired by a civil contractor and a mercenary if they are both involved in interrogation and murder? |
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Subject: RE: BS: interrogation contracts From: dianavan Date: 22 May 04 - 03:57 AM O.K., I lied about never posting here again. At least this is not repeating myself. From the Guardian: The loose control of the 20,000-plus private-enterprise soldiers in Iraq has been thrown into painful relief by the accusations that hired civilian interrogators and translators encouraged obscene tortures at Abu Ghraib prison and that one even allegedly raped an Iraqi boy in his cell. No senator or congressman appears to have had the least idea until the scandal broke that the drive to privatise the military had gone so far as to use civilian contractors for such sensitive jobs. Aides to Democrat congressman Ike Skelton were particularly incensed with a reply by Mr Rumsfeld to a demand last month for information about private mil itary firms in Iraq. Mr Rumsfeld produced a list of 60 companies, half a dozen of them British, but withheld all mention of two of the biggest and best-connected recruiting firms alleged to be at the centre of the torture scandal - CACI in Washington and Titan in San Diego, California. |
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Subject: RE: BS: interrogation contracts From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 22 May 04 - 04:14 AM Not shocked....why should I be?????
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Subject: RE: BS: interrogation contracts From: Amos Date: 22 May 04 - 04:19 AM I seriously doubt that Titan is at the center of the torture scandal. I am open to correction, but as far as I know the services Titan provided in this regard was translators. Not interrogators, and certainly not persuaders or whatever they are called. If I am wrong, it will be interesting to asee whether the company makes a clean breast of the situation to its own poeple, or resorts to mushroom management (keep them in the dark, feed 'em BS, and all will be well.) A |
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Subject: RE: BS: interrogation contracts From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 22 May 04 - 04:21 AM Besides.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: interrogation contracts From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 22 May 04 - 04:26 AM Sorry Amos - (no offence intended) we crossed posts
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Subject: RE: BS: interrogation contracts From: Amos Date: 22 May 04 - 04:26 AM Among other things, Titan left the commercial sector and began working for the military in 2002. They have made millions (maybe billions) off this war. DV: Titan has not left the commercial sector, and has been in government and military contracting for over a decade. As for the numbers you are positing, I have no idea, but the margins Titan operates on are pretty thin; so you are talking about gross income stream, not profits. Titan has a lot of shareholders including most of its staff. A lot of staff dumped their stock in anticipation of the Lockheed Martin takeover. I don't know who the major ones are; I am sure the senior execs have major chunks. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: interrogation contracts From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 22 May 04 - 04:41 AM Ahhh...Titan...then...this is to you... Boeing...was left in the lurch...but the ole Rockwell/Northrop/Lockheed have survived.
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Subject: RE: BS: interrogation contracts From: GUEST,JTT Date: 22 May 04 - 05:36 AM "What'll we call them ... translators?" "Yeah, translators sounds good. OK." |
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Subject: RE: BS: interrogation contracts From: Amos Date: 22 May 04 - 11:13 AM Hahaha. :>) Be aware, in waving your indignant aspersions about, that you are also slandering a large group of hard-working people who raise families and pay their tithes to Uncle Sam and try to balance their budgets. Like many companies, the top executive strata gets paid too much, but I can yell you from ten years of experience that my division of Titan is one of the most compassionate and supportive outfits to work for that I have found. I think every one of them would find the interrogation pictures as repulsive as you do. I think, too, that the moral suasion and rampant dudgeon around these parts is getting awful high considering the skimpy data that is available about who has done what. 'Course, I'm just a folksinger, so what would I know? A |
