BS: But AFO's do exist...

Subject: BS: But AFO's do exist...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 12:37 PM

That's AFO's. Alien flying objects, also known as "flying saucers" at one time.. Some are disc-shaped. Some are cigar-shaped. Some have other shapes. They're intelligently controlled and piloted. They exist. I and thousands of other people have seen them. Numerous people on even this forum have seen them. Live with it. If you find the whole subject embarrassing, get counseling from a clinical psychologist who can get to the root of your fears and reassure you that your basic sense of normality is not really put in peril by these shocking disclosures. :-)

"UFO" has become a bit of a misnomer, you see, because it's not specific enough. From now on, guys, it's AFO, just so we don't get them confused with weather balloons, frisbees, swamp gas, ball lightning, Ronald McDonald inflatable clowns, and other such common things.

Subject: RE: BS: But AFO's do exist...
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 12:40 PM

awwww d*mn LH! do we really need three threads on essentially the same topic with the same posters?

Subject: RE: BS: But AFO's do exist...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 12:45 PM

Just couldn't resist, love. I was getting sick of smart-alecks posting just to say that, well, of course there are "unidentified" flying objects out there...just not any that are alien ships.

Subject: RE: BS: But AFO's do exist...
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 03:09 PM

But, Little Hawk, how do we know they are alien? Just suppose, as some have claimed, that they are a super-secret branch of the U.S or other power?

Not that I believe that- my own 'viewing' experience brought me to the belief that at that moment I was being reached telepathically- or at least lulled emotionally. And I would not expect the US or any other current world power to have that capability.

Fascinating subject. Wonder how many more generations it will take before we have definitive answers?

Subject: RE: BS: But AFO's do exist...
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 05:18 PM

jokes and disclaimers aside, LH..we DO understand what your senses and memory tell you that you saw those occasions. Yes, some of us still wonder and have our doubts, but NOT about your sincerity.

I sure would like to live long enough to be proved wrong, and I'd LOVE it if that proof were directly to me! Of course, like other issues skeptics puzzle over, there's no way to prove us 'right'. (Or rather, no way to prove that there are no AFOs)..It is theoretically possible that YOUR experiences were the only TRUE ones by any human...in any case, we still have thousands of people who say, "sure...I've seen those!" and millions who shrug and say "Not me!..." and I guess there it must remain until something changes.

You have said, LH..(yes, I was listening ..*grin*) that no 'proof' is required by most of those who have seen them and it really makes no difference when others wonder and speculate. I suppose if I had memories that clear, I'd say something similar, but I still suspect that the way my head works, I'd only say that I had a startling 'experience', with little judgement about what it actually represented.

We just are different...and that's ok...

Subject: RE: BS: But AFO's do exist...
From: el ted
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 06:34 AM

How come AFO's are never square shaped?

Subject: RE: BS: But AFO's do exist...
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 06:41 AM

the square ones have better stealth systems...


And I have a great anti-elephant charm- works every time for me...



In reality, IMO, there are alien spacecraft- I just do not think that they are here, in the numbers being reported, or acting in the manner being reported, by most reports. And how do you rule out time-travelers, and trans-dimensional visitors from parallel dimensions? They might all be human... or close enough.

Subject: RE: BS: But AFO's do exist...
From: GUEST,AFO man
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 06:48 AM

AFO stands for Association of Festival Organisers

Subject: RE: BS: But AFO's do exist...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 08:59 AM

Actually, I think it is entirely possible that they (or some of them) are time travellers from our own future or even inter-dimensional travellers. In which case, they would still be "alien", in a sense, but in a different sense. If we found a way to go back in time and visit Vikings or cavemen I think they'd find us quite alien in appearance...and we'd probably be in considerable danger of being attacked by them.

As for square AFO's...well, maybe there are some, but a square does not strike me as a very harmonious design shape for a vehicle, given the various possibilities. :-) Still, why not? It would make a good freight carrier (like a cub van).

We'll have definitive answers...or at least a move in that general direction...when our governments decide to openly inform the public...or when MJ12 decides to openly inform the civilian government. :-)

I know someone who knew Pierre Trudeau (once Prime Minister of Canada) personally, and that person one day asked Trudeau, in private, what he knew about the "flying saucers". He looked right back at them with a poker face and said, "Don't ask me." And he simply would not discuss the matter.

There is a level of security over this whole thing that is just incredible. If there had been nothing to it, Trudeau would have been free to say, "Oh, there's no such thing. Don't worry about it." He didn't say that, because he didn't want to lie to a friend.

And yes, they could be top secret vehicles built by our own military...but I really doubt that, given what I've seen. It seems very unlikely to me.

Subject: RE: BS: But AFO's do exist...
From: Wolfgang
Date: 04 Aug 04 - 07:32 PM

I've heard that Little Hawk's coined acronym for UFOs has been met with harsh critique in the community of UFOlogists. Let me channel (some are no longer in this sphere of existence) some voices:

Vallee stated: (UFO) entities are endowed with the same fugitiveness and behave with the same ignorance of logical and physical laws as the reflection of a dream, the monsters of our nightmares, the unpredictable witches of our childhood.

Hynek was openly contemptuous: I would have to say that the extraterrestrial theory is a naive one... we should take into consideration the various factors that strongly suggest a linkage... with occurences of the paranormal nature...interlocking universes...

Brad Steiger snorted: What we have thus far been labeling 'spaceships'...(are) multidimensional mechanisms or psychic constructs of our paraphysical companions.

Michael Talbot insisted on his own theory: In an omnijective universe, real and unreal have no meaning...which is simply imagined by one man may, after becoming widely publicized, actually materialize.

J. Clark of CUFOS dismissed the idea: the 'objective' manifestations are psychokinetically generated byproducts of those unconscious processes which shape a culture's vision of the otherworld. Existing only temporarily, they are at best only quasiphysical,

Greenfield theorized: The UFO phenomenon represents an attempt by the unconscious human psyche to project a collective archetypical symbol into the seemingly 'eterna' (material; nonphysical) environment.

L. Wiedeman knows the truth about UFOs: There are no such 'things' as UFOs, in that they do not have any existence independent of the mind. The fact is, the human mind has the capacity to project solid images, and these images become temporarily real in every sense of the word....The government has suppressed this information...that our entire reality is made up wholly of projections from the collective unconscious.

Last, but not least, Thomas Bearden explained it in very simple words: the UFO phenomena can be fitted to the hypothesis that they represent the prenatal care of the earthman by a linked superbeing, in preparation for the forthcoming linkage of the human species and the birth of another linked superbeing.

I have left out the ridicule from those knowing of a mundane origin. Some know that the CIA is responsible, some think Nazis fled to the Antarctis are testing modern version of the Wunderwaffe, others claim the crafts come from the inside of the hollow earth.

Though the verdict of the UFO community was far from unanimous and ranged from outrageous to interesting but premature, the researchers decided that a conference deciding about a nomenclature of UFOs, and perhaps even a start of a classification was overdue. In an unprecedented move they have even invited some skeptics of note and have met at an undisclosed location in the North of the American continent. I am happy to have got hold of one of the very few copies of the conference proceedings and shall share them with you tomorrow. Watch for a thread titled 'A classification of UFOs' or something very similar.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: But AFO's do exist...
From: Peace
Date: 04 Aug 04 - 11:27 PM

A few American presidents have said stuff very similar to Pierre, LH. Whether the level of secrecy is to protect a public from what the governments know or don't know is what WE need answered. And I don't think that's gonna happen anytime soon.

Subject: RE: BS: But AFO's do exist...
From: Amergin
Date: 05 Aug 04 - 12:06 AM

There are aliens here on earth....Bush is living proof of that...

Subject: RE: BS: But AFO's do exist...
From: Peace
Date: 05 Aug 04 - 12:34 AM

Now, THAT is scary.

Subject: RE: BS: But AFO's do exist...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Aug 04 - 03:15 PM

I couldn't care less whether or not the UFOlogists would dislike my use of the term "AFO", Wolfgang. :-) And, yes, there are many possible explanations (including some hilariously unlikely ones, like the Nazi one).

I think it is quite understandable that the military and the top level of government decided to keep these visitations (whoever they are from) secret. They first began to take serious notice of it in the late 40's. At that time they had just finished fighting a great war and were embarking on a cold war which might lead to an even greater war. They were used to thinking in terms of military dangers, airspace violation, and so on. Paranoia was the rule of the day.

It was natural that they would fear incursions by unknown craft into their airspace, and consider it a secret matter. Until they had a way to control those incursions they would not wish the public to know about it. Would they want the public to know that the entire modern military was completely helpless to do anything about the situation? Certainly not. Would they want the public to know that they had no real explanation for the situation? Probably not.

Military officers at Roswell DID give a press release announcing that they had in their possession a "flying saucer". I have seen copies of that press release. It got as far afield as the British newspapers. Very shortly afterward the same officers contradicted their original story, in an attempt (successful) to defuse further media interest in the matter. They also persuaded civilian witnesses to recant...or in one case to say, "I'm sorry I ever said anything about it" (and believe me, he was sorry...because he had been put under great duress by government agents to either lie about what he saw or SHUT UP).

Military and government people are afraid of things which are completely beyond their control, just like ordinary people are. They want the public to have the impression that they are well in control at all times. They legitimately fear a public panic, and they also fear their own loss of face and moral authority.

The longer they cover the matter up, the more they have to fear in terms of being shown to have lied. One lie requires countless more lies to sustain it. So, the coverup continues.

And people believe, basically, what they are emotionally inclined to believe...unless they have a personal experience which completely alters their perception of the matter.

Subject: RE: BS: But AFO's do exist...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Aug 04 - 03:22 PM

Instead of "many possible explanations", I'll change that to "many plausible explanations"...along with some very implausible ones. Have you considered, Wolfgang, that all these sightings may actually be due to injestion of dried banana skins, causing mass hallucinations?

No?

Oh, come on, surely that is much more convincing than the thought that hundreds of highly qualified people have actually SEEN something alien and intelligently controlled that we don't already know all about?

Subject: RE: BS: But AFO's do exist...
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 05 Aug 04 - 03:28 PM

I'd certainly go for the banana skins over aliens.

Subject: RE: BS: But AFO's do exist...
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Aug 04 - 03:30 PM

Well, I have a friend who is retired military police and he did security in Area 51......he says, yes, there are aliens and yes, there was a ship and we are no closer to being able to figure out what kind of metal it is. Can't do a thing to it....won't scratch, melt, dent, register on a spectrometer, etc. He says they look like elongated humans....claims he saw them with his own eyes.....bottom line, most of us don't know for sure and never will.

Subject: RE: BS: But AFO's do exist...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Aug 04 - 08:41 PM

Well, of course you would, BPL. You've seen banana skins. Besides, why pay any attention to people who tell you ridiculous things that can't possibly be true...like those idiots who thought the Earth is round, and those even bigger idiots who thought a heavier-than-air craft could ever fly or a steel ship could ever float? Sheer common sense tells you that such ideas are nonsensical.

Sorcha - Thanks for that account. I think our situation is rather analagous to that of a group of New Guinea headhunters trying to figure out how a modern airplane functions after finding a crashed one in the jungle. They would not be able to figure it out.

Neither have our brightest minds been able to figure out alien technology, though they have certainly tried very hard. And that is another reason that they don't tell the public about it. They do not wish to reveal their impotence and their relative ignorance to the World at large. They'd rather have us believe that they and their existing power structure are the most advanced and powerful entities around, which is hardly the case.

Subject: RE: BS: But AFO's do exist...
From: GUEST,AFO#335-J
Date: 05 Aug 04 - 09:38 PM

we would like to meet with you little hawk. you are more even more alien than we are. where do you come from. are you of the age where you are neutered or can you still reproduce. if you can reproduce do you need a partner.

please put a signal over your house so we can land nearby. thank you

Subject: RE: BS: But AFO's do exist...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Aug 04 - 10:10 PM

Hi, AFO#335J, I am very pleased to hear from you. :-) I am actually no more alien than you. We are all equally a part of Life. I am technically still able to reproduce, but I haven't really had a desire to. There are enough people here already, I figure, and I don't want to have to raise a family at this point. I am more interested in emotional, intellectual, and work/play partners than partners for the sake of reproduction. Then too, a chess or ping pong partner can be fun. I guess that goes under "play".

I am thinking about the signal. What sort of signal would you like? I could send out a psychic or mental signal...or did you have something more obvious in mind? (I don't want to alarm the neighbours, so putting a burning beacon on the roof is out of the question.)

You are welcome to land here at any time, I assure you. Try and make sure the Canadian Air Force is unaware of your movements when you do, as I do not wish to be pestered, questioned, and harassed by various government agents and officers following your visit.