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Lyr Req: I Wish My Baby Was Born ('Cold Mountain')

Mark Ross 23 Jun 04 - 01:42 PM
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Subject: Lyr Req: COLD MOUNTAIN-I Wish My Baby Was born
From: Mark Ross
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 01:42 PM

My partner(She Who Must Be Obeyed)is enamored of the soundtrack from the movie COLD MOUNTAIN, and particularly of the song I WISH MY BABY WAS BORN. Does anyone out there in MudCat Land know the origin of this tune and where I can find the lyrics?

Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: COLD MOUNTAIN-I Wish My Baby Was born
From: open mike
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 02:46 PM

looking here:
http://www.coldmountainmovie.com/


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: COLD MOUNTAIN-I Wish My Baby Was born
From: Mark Ross
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 04:15 PM

Thanks, but unfortunately it seems you have to buy the DVD to get the info. Any other suggestions.

Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: COLD MOUNTAIN-I Wish My Baby Was born
From: 8_Pints
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 04:53 PM

Hi Mark,

Riley Baugus visited the UK in November'2003 and was featured in Ryburn Valley Folk Club, Rishworth, Yorkshire run by Pete Coe before the film was released.

He introduced this song and explained that only one verse was traditional (collected in the Appalachians) the remainder having been written by Anthony Menghella.

In fact if Menghella had consulted the Penguin Book of English Folk Song he would have discovered that the song was published as "I Wish, I Wish".

A different variant was also collected in Cumbria by Ann Gilchrist from a 70 year old carpenter, Mr. James Bayliff. It uses many of the same verses but has a different tune, and was recorded as "A Brisk Young Sailor". It was released on a Paul & Linda Adams LP, "Far over the Fell", SFA027 in 1975.

Hope that casts some light on the matter.

Bob & Sue vG


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: COLD MOUNTAIN-I Wish My Baby Was born
From: Mark Ross
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 06:53 PM

Thanks, much.

Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: COLD MOUNTAIN-I Wish My Baby Was born
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 04:22 AM

Cold Mountain has been discussed before - One thread had a link to a website with Lyrics from Songs in Movies (Earlier Thread). I just checked ,but the song you are asking for is still not posted there. Just a warning, the website will try to put about 20 cookies on your computer every page you open.
Quack!
GtD.


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Subject: Lyr Add: I WISH MY BABY WAS BORN
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 27 Jun 04 - 01:07 AM

According to the film credits, I WISH MY BABY WAS BORN is "traditional, with additional lyrics by Anthony Minghella," and it is performed by Tim Eriksen, Riley Baugus, and Ray Winstone. The soundtrack album, however, says it is performed by Tim Eriksen, Riley Baugus, and Tim O'Brien.

The oldest recording by that name seems to be a field recording made in 1965, in which it is sung by Dillard Chandler. This version can be found on the collection "High Atmosphere." There are also recordings by The Be Good Tanyas and Uncle Tupelo.

I WISH, I WISH is obviously related, but not quite the same.

Following is a composite from several sources on the Internet.

I WISH MY BABY WAS BORN

I wish, I wish my baby was born,
And sitting on its papa's knee.
And me, poor girl, were dead and gone,
And the green grass growing over me.

I'm not no saint, nor I never shall be
'Til the sweet apple grows from the sour apple tree,
But still I hope the time will come
When you and I shall be as one.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: COLD MOUNTAIN-I Wish My Baby Was born
From: masato sakurai
Date: 27 Jun 04 - 02:16 AM

From notes to High Atmosphere (Rounder CD 0028):
I WISH MY BABY WAS BORN
Sung by Dillard Chandler at Andy Cove, N.C.

   An English version of this short, fragmentary song can be found in The Penguin Book of English Folksongs, edited by Ralph Vaughn Williams and A.L. Lloyd. It appears to be related to the Sharp (EFSA 199) version of "Every Night When the Sun Goes In" which was made popular by the Weavers. Dillard always brings an empty sense of sadness to his singing, revealing more of himself than most ballad singers usually do. Dillard has released several records on Folkways.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: COLD MOUNTAIN-I Wish My Baby Was born
From: Joybell
Date: 27 Jun 04 - 06:42 PM

Oh dear - the "Died for Love" song group. Once tangled in them and you'll never be free. If your still determined, however there are lots here in the DT. A good starting place is "Jamie Douglas" or "Died for Love" or "Tavern in the Town". Good luck. Don't expect to be back too soon. Joy


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: COLD MOUNTAIN-I Wish My Baby Was born
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 27 Jun 04 - 07:58 PM

"Joybell" is only too right. It's the song-group (more like a loose international conspiracy, really) that not even the bravest will take on. Threaten somebody who knows their onions with it and they will likely blanch and change the subject. The collectors and commentators of the early 20th century tended blithely to over-simplify the relationships, but that was because they didn't have access to the enormous amount of material that we have now.

The closest to a useful comment I have managed on that lot was "largely incapable of disentanglement." That's my story and I'm sticking to it.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: COLD MOUNTAIN-I Wish My Baby Was born
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Jun 04 - 08:13 PM

"I Wish, I Wish," from "The Penguin Book of English Folk Songs" (and "Classic English Folk Songs"), sung by Mrs Cecilia Costello in 1951, is in the DT. According to notes in "Classic..." she learned most of her songs from her father, County Roscommon, Ireland.

In the version given by Jim Dixon, the four verses of the folk song have been combined and reduced to two. Lyrics are not given in the booklet with the cd, and not having seen the movie, I don't know if the song in the movie is the same as the one on the cd.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: COLD MOUNTAIN-I Wish My Baby Was born
From: GUEST,Cruiser
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 10:39 AM

What is the meaning "ribbons five" of: Then we might need our ribbons five. Something to do with death?

Thanks,
Ron

I wish, I wish my baby was born
And sittin' on its papa's knee
And me, poor girl
And me, poor girl, were dead and gone
And the green grass growin' o'er my feet
I ain't ahead, nor never will be
Till the sweet apple grows
On a sour apple tree

But still I hope the time will come
When you and I shall be as one

I wish I wish my love had died
And sent his soul to wander free
Then we might need our ribbons five
Let our poor body rest in peace

The owl, the owl
Is a lonely bird
It chills my heart
With dread and terror
That someone's blood
There on his wing
That someone's blood
There on his feather


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: COLD MOUNTAIN-I Wish My Baby Was born
From: Cruiser
Date: 13 Feb 06 - 08:43 PM

Perhaps what I ask above was the result of misheard lyrics. I've seen the lyrics written instead as: " Then we might meet where the ravens fly" which makes much more sense because of the several raven scenes in the movie.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Wish My Baby Was Born ('Cold Mountain')
From: GUEST,coyote breath with no cookie
Date: 10 Jul 13 - 04:28 PM

I know this thread is years old but I just really listened to it closely a few days ago.

I have come upon a verse with owls like this:

"The owl, the owl,
is a lonely bird
it fills my heart with dread and fear
for someone's blood is on it's wings
and someone's death is drawing near."

Makes sense to me as Owls are often seen as bringers of fate, premonitions of doom attend their wanderings.

The raven verse has a similar sense of impending doom. Ravens are messengers from the "other side".

I keep hearing the second verse as:
"I ain't no haunt (pronounced haint) nor never will be..." etc.

I guess it could be "saint".

The person singing this song seems sad and abandoned. Wishing for the peace of the grave because of their great shame at having a child out of wedlock.

We tend to forget how powerfully some social situations could affect a person's life because we allow so much in our lives that would have been taboo just a few decades ago.

Murder ballads exist in part because abortion was completely unheard of in most communities.

Murder and suicide were an answer.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Wish My Baby Was Born ('Cold Mountain')
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jul 13 - 07:12 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Brisk_Young_Sailor_Courted_Me


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Wish My Baby Was Born ('Cold Mountain')
From: Gutcher
Date: 11 Jul 13 - 02:29 AM

@Ghest Cruiser 7/2/06.
I have not come across ribbons five before but I do sing a Border Ballad called "Oor Young Lady" which refers to the ribbons nine and I have often wondered what the significance of the ribbons was.
This ballad is about new life as opposed to death in the example given of five ribbons.

The full version of the ballad can be found on the CD MT313 with the ribbons being mentioned in verses 2 and 3.
[2]Her apron was o the hollands smaa
   rowed aroon wi rhe laces aa
   she was feart her babe wad faa
   so she"s rowed him in her apron.

[3]Her apron was o the hollands fine
   rowed aroon wi the laces nine
   she was feart her babe wad tine
   so she"s rowed him in her apron.

Hollands smaa and hollands fine refer to the fineness, and therefore the cost, of the woven fabric, the smaller the weave the more expensive.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Wish My Baby Was Born ('Cold Mountain')
From: Gutcher
Date: 11 Jul 13 - 02:43 AM

Oops, just noticed the second last post refers to a child being born out of wedlock. The ballad referred to in my last post concerns a rich young lady having an illegitimate child to the heir of the chief of the border clan of Maxwell.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Wish My Baby Was Born ('Cold Mountain')
From: Richard from Liverpool
Date: 11 Jul 13 - 02:51 AM

Related to "O Waly, waly" surely?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Wish My Baby Was Born ('Cold Mountain')
From: Gutcher
Date: 13 Jul 13 - 04:47 AM

I have just noticed that I have equated laces with ribbons---just like a man--- put it down to senility. However they may be part of the same question an answer to which would be appreciated.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Wish My Baby Was Born ('Cold Mountain')
From: GUEST,Clem Kadiddlehopper
Date: 28 Apr 14 - 08:09 PM

I've come across very similar lyrics except for the changes:

The owl, the owl,
Is a wise old bird,
(A wise old bird),
But even he,
(But even he),
Doesn't know,
(Oh, doesn't know),
How many licks,
(How many licks),
it takes to get,
to the center,
(Oh to the center),
of a tootsie roll pop.
(A tootsie roll pop!)

The end.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Wish My Baby Was Born ('Cold Mountain')
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 29 Apr 14 - 03:53 AM

you wanna lay off the drugs for a bit Clem.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Wish My Baby Was Born ('Cold Mountain')
From: GUEST
Date: 04 May 14 - 03:41 PM

You wanna lay off the banal and trite retorts Dave? Unlike the character Ruby in "Cold Mountain", you sir, are not an original.

Clem


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Wish My Baby Was Born ('Cold Mountain')
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 04 May 14 - 08:51 PM

Ruby was pretty awesome : )

If you haven't read the book, grab a copy. The movie was amazing, heartwrenching and beautiful. But the writing in the book is even more so. It was Charles Frazier's first published novel, and one of the few books I've read that I thought the movie did a service.

Dani


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Wish My Baby Was Born ('Cold Mountain')
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 05 May 14 - 08:42 PM

referring back to Gutcher's comment in July last year

Laces & ribbons can be the same. Not all laces are strips of fine fabrics full of decorative holes.

Corset & shoe laces are ribbons or tapes. But corsets could also be decorated with (hole-filled) lace.

I tried to get a translation of the Scots verse but Google Translate does not offer Scots as a language. It claims the text is English & I assume ran Spellcheck over the unknown words!

sandra


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Wish My Baby Was Born ('Cold Mountain')
From: GUEST,M K
Date: 07 Dec 15 - 10:41 AM

can somebody explain the meaning of this song ... in what context is it written and what do the owl being a lonely bird means ... what does the blood on the wing says ...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Wish My Baby Was Born ('Cold Mountain')
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 07 Dec 15 - 10:56 AM

As stated earlier most of the stanzas in this family of lament songs are commonplaces, many dating back to the 17th century, possibly even earlier. They have been reworked many times and many have lost their original meaning. It is possible to split them up into half a dozen or so distinct songs albeit with some overlap and we have done this for the Roud Index. Tracing the history backwards through the centuries is though a real minefield.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Wish My Baby Was Born ('Cold Mountain')
From: Richie
Date: 16 Apr 17 - 02:42 PM

Hi,

I'm adding this to my US versions here: http://www.bluegrassmessengers.com/us--canada-versions-7-died-for-lovebutcher-boy.aspx

This page is unfinished. Have a dozen or so versions still to put on.
I think the text (1st line second stanza) as it appears online is wrong so I'm including it here:

I WISH MY BABY WAS BORN- Dillard Chandler of Madison, NC, 1965 recording

I wish I wish my baby was born
And setting on my papa's knee,
And me poor girl were dead in gone
And the green grass growing over my grave,

That ain't not hit, ner never will be[1],
Till the sweet apple grows on the sour apple tree
But still I hope the time will come,
When you and I shall be as one.

1. (Translated) That isn't it, nor never will be,

Richie


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Wish My Baby Was Born ('Cold Mountain')
From: Richie
Date: 16 Apr 17 - 02:49 PM

Correction (shall instead of will):

I WISH MY BABY WAS BORN- Dillard Chandler of Madison, NC, 1965 recording

I wish I wish my baby was born
And setting on my papa's knee,
And me poor girl were dead in gone
And the green grass growing over my grave,

That ain't not hit, ner never shall be[1],
Till the sweet apple grows on the sour apple tree
But still I hope the time will come,
When you and I shall be as one.

1. (Translated) That (ain't) isn't it, nor never shall be,

Richie


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Wish My Baby Was Born ('Cold Mountain')
From: Richie
Date: 16 Apr 17 - 03:35 PM

Hi,

It's disgraceful that it took three tries to get this right, so I know I need to be more careful :) The line in question (1st line, 2nd stanza) should be: "But a maid again, I never shall be" even if it's changed to "That ain't not it" it's still a corruption of what was "a maid again" at one time. It's possible he sings something like "a maid again" but it's too hard to understand. He also sings "pawpa" for "papa."

I WISH MY BABY WAS BORN- Dillard Chandler of Madison, NC, 1965 recording

I wish I wish my baby was born
And setting on his papa's knee,
And me poor girl were dead and gone
And the green grass growing over my grave.

That ain't not hit, ner never shall be[1],
Till the sweet apple grows on the sour apple tree
But still I hope the time will come,
When you and I shall be as one.

1. (Translated) That ain't not it, nor never shall be,

Richie (three strikes and yer out)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Wish My Baby Was Born ('Cold Mountain')
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 16 Apr 17 - 05:33 PM

Quite common in these laments that draw material from many sources but your 2 stanzas have different rhyming patterns. The first should be ABAB (over me) and the second AABB. I have even come across this in 17thc versions.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Wish My Baby Was Born ('Cold Mountain')
From: GUEST,gutcher
Date: 16 Apr 17 - 05:43 PM

If Sandra in Sydney be still to the fore and if she cares to put up the Scots words she wishes to have a translation for I will do my best to help.

Some Scots words have a different meaning from the same word in English
An example being the word "eerie" as used by Burns, Scott, Gault etc..

Sorry about the delay, I could not have followed the rest of the thread at the time.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Wish My Baby Was Born ('Cold Mountain')
From: Richie
Date: 16 Apr 17 - 11:49 PM

Hi Steve-- Gutcher--

In a way, this reminds me of Joseph Taylor's powerful version collected in Lincolnshire in 1906:

I wish my baby that he was born
Lyin' smilin' on its father's knee
And I was dead and in my grave
And green grass growin' over me.

I wish, I wish, but it's all in vain
I wish I was a maid again
But a maid again that never can be
Since that-e-young farmer sat wooing me.

Dig me my grave long, wide and deep
Put a marbil stone at my 'ead and feet
But a turtle-white dove put over above
For to let the world know that I died for love.

Richie


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Wish My Baby Was Born ('Cold Mountain')
From: GUEST,Alice
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 08:58 PM

The “ribbons five” might refer to traditional Celtic handfasting https://www.waterlilyweddings.com/2016/04/hand-fasting-a-celtic-tradition-for-your-irish-wedding-ceremony/


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