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Lyr Req: Lord Bateman

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LORD BATEMAN
LORD BEICHAN (2)
LORD BEICHAN AND SUSIE PYE
LORD BEICHAN AND SUSIE PYE (2)
LORD THOMAS AND FAIR ELLENDER (3)
THE TURKISH LADY


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poetlady 14 Jul 04 - 05:05 AM
GUEST,Val 14 Jul 04 - 05:41 AM
kendall 14 Jul 04 - 07:29 AM
Snuffy 14 Jul 04 - 09:21 AM
GUEST,cardboard cutout 14 Jul 04 - 03:11 PM
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poetlady 14 Jul 04 - 04:21 PM
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The Borchester Echo 15 Jul 04 - 09:44 AM
Jim Dixon 18 Jul 04 - 01:37 AM
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Subject: Lyr Req: Lord Bateman
From: poetlady
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 05:05 AM

I was wondering if anyone has or knows where I can find the lyrics to this version of Lord Bateman: Part 1(click). I think it's very pretty, but I couldn't make out all the words. (the second half of it is here: Part 2 (click).)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lord Bateman
From: GUEST,Val
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 05:41 AM

The New Scorpion Band have recently recorded it on their album 'The Downfall of Pears' - have a look at www.new-scorpion-band.com (sorry don't know how to do clicky)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lord Bateman
From: kendall
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 07:29 AM

It was done to perfection by the Golden Ring at Folk Legacy


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lord Bateman
From: Snuffy
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 09:21 AM

LORD BATEMAN


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lord Bateman
From: GUEST,cardboard cutout
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 03:11 PM

Despite the risk of getting you lot all moaning again, you can get a quite audible set of words on Jim Moray's "Sweet England" cd


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lord Bateman
From: Ed.
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 04:14 PM

poetlady,

The links that you've given don't work (at least for me).

Do you mean this version?
    Poetlady's links fixed. Link instructions here (click).
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lord Bateman
From: poetlady
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 04:21 PM

Thank you, everyone. The version here is bit different here and there, but it has been helpful. I have the first three verses figured out now,I think, anyway. :)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lord Bateman
From: Leadfingers
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 04:31 PM

The biggest problem with queries like this is variations - I do Lord Bateman to a totally different tune . which would not 'fit' with yours at all . I think my version came from Northern England , NOT Southern America .


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lord Bateman
From: Ed.
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 04:36 PM

If you'd confirm, or not, that the version I linked to is the one you want, you could expect a deal more help!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lord Bateman
From: open mike
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 05:02 PM

better to sing of the Lord Bateman than the Master Bateman.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lord Bateman
From: Ed.
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 05:22 PM

Right, Open Mike...

Very good


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lord Bateman
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 05:47 PM

The thing I find most fascinating about Lord Bateman (or Baykim/Akeman/Beichan or, as some say, Gilbert Beket) and Shushy/Susie/Susan Pye is that they produced one Thomas Beckett...maybe.

As Cardboard Cutout says, the version by Jim Moray, which he does to what I think is the best tune aassociated with the song, is very fine. It's comparable to Chris Wood's version on the Wood Wilson Carthy cd which includes full lyrics.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lord Bateman
From: Joe_F
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 06:37 PM

It's Child 53 (Young Beichan). You'll find 14 versions there, some of them of appalling length.

The text in _The Coffee House Songbook_ is enlivened by the mondegreen "This Turkey had one only daughter."

Peggy Seeger also sings it.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lord Bateman
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 07:06 AM

I learned it from the Frankie Armstrong recording.

Linn


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lord Bateman
From: Maryrrf
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 08:50 AM

What was that Countess Richard said? YOu mean the Lord Bateman story was true and that Thomas Beckett might be descended from them?? That's really interesting!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lord Bateman
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 09:25 AM

Child discusses the Gilbert Beket legend in detail (English and Scottish Popular Ballads I). He considered it likely that the ballad had been influenced by the legend, but did not derive from it. He describes a series of ballads telling essentially the same story; chiefly Norse, Spanish and Italian.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lord Bateman
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 09:44 AM

Yep, thoughThomas Beckett's mother is usually considered to have been French - as Susan/Sofia (etc) sometimes is. Such a shame it cannot be proved - either way. It's a bit like my great uncle who traced our family back to one of William the Conquerer's knights, but only by guesssing at one step.


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Subject: Lyr Add: LORD BATEMAN (from Mrs. Minnie Floyd)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 01:37 AM

There are several versions of this ballad in related threads and in the DT, but poetlady specifically wanted this one.

Transcribed by me from sound recordings at The Library of Congress American Memory Collection. (See specific links given above.)

There are a few gaps and uncertainties in this transcription. Corrections are welcome. Also, there seems to be a verse or two missing at the end.

LORD BATEMAN
As sung by Mrs. Minnie (or Emma) Floyd, at Murrells Inlet, South Carolina, June 8, 1939, recorded by John and Ruby Lomax.

– Part 1 –

In India lived a noble lord. His riches was beyond compare.
He was the darling of his parents, and of the estate the only heir.

He had gold and he had silver. He had a house of high degree.
He could never be contented until he crossed the roaring sea.

He sailed east and he sailed west. He sailed till he came to the Turkish shore.
They caught him there and put him in prison, where he could see the light no more.

For seven long months he laid in ..., laid in ... in iron bands.
Until he saw the rich young lady that set him free from his iron bands.

The jailer had one only daughter. She was a lady of high degree.
She went into the prison door, this Lord Bateman for to see.

She stoled her father's jailer key and said Lord Bateman she'd set free.
She went into the prison door and opened it ....

Have you gold or have you silver? Have you a house of high degree?
What would you give to a fair lady if she'd from bondage set you free?

I have gold and I have silver. I have a house of high degree.
I'll give it all to a fair lady, if she'll from bondage set me free.

It's not your gold nor your silver, nor your house of high degree.
All I want to make me happy, and all I'd take is your body.

Come then let us make a bargain. For seven long years it shall span.
If you won't wed no other woman, I won't wed no other man.

She stayed with her father till the time expired, till seven long years was at an end.
She packed up all her richest gold and says I'll go and see my friend.

She wandered east and she wandered west. She wandered till she came to the Indian shore.
She could never be contented until she seen her love once more.

She wandered till she came to Lord Bateman's palace and knocked so loud upon the rim.
There's none so ready to hear the fair lady, and this young porter let her in.

Tell me is this Lord Bateman's palace, and is the lord himself within?
Oh, yes, oh, yes, my pretty fair lady, and his new bride was just brought in.

– Part 2 –

Tell him to send me a ... of bread and a bottle of his wine so ...
And ask if he's forgot the lady that set him free from ....

The porter ran in to his master, down, low down upon his knee.
Arise, arise you brisk young porter, and tell me what the matter is.

There stands a lady at your gate and she does weep most bitterly.
I know she is as fine a princess that I would wish mine eye to see.

She wants you to send her a ... of bread and a bottle of your wine so ...
And ask if you forgot the lady that set you free from the ....

He stomped his feet upon the floor. He broke his table in slivers three.
Adieu, adieu to my new wedded bride. This fair lady I'll go and see.

Then up spoke his new bride's mother. She was a lady of high degree.
Then you have married my only daughter. But she is none the worse for me.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lord Bateman
From: GUEST,Helena
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 09:11 PM

I sing the Golden Ring version (this one: http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=3708). I sort of like the "Lord Beichan" version, though. Does it go to a different tune?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lord Bateman
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 09:11 PM

Rats, the shortcut didn't work. Sorry...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lord Bateman
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 09:39 PM

Joe, for the enlightenment of those that don't know the song, we ought to mention that "This turkey had one only daughter"   ought to've read "This Turk, he had an only daughter..."

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lord Bateman
From: poetlady
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 05:14 AM

Thank you, everyone. And thank you very much, Jim Dixon, that was incredibly helpful. :)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lord Bateman
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 05:57 PM

Actualy it should be Turkey. The Sultan was often reffered to in English by his land's name.


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