Subject: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 19 Jul 04 - 04:06 AM The Sunday Times Culture Section says- "The man regarded as the leading English folk artist of his genaration is profiled in a film first shown on BBC4.Originally an actor, Carthy was seduced by the genre in the 1950s and his work as a singer and guitarist influenced Bob Dylan and Paul Simon. This film traces his career path, via a 1960s partnership with Dave Swarbrick and Steeleye Span to recent collaborations with his wife Norma and daughter, Eliza". This was on BBC4 a while ago, and loads of people asked them to put it on normal telly, so everybody could see it, and now they have, its on BBC2 at 11.35pm. |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: GUEST Date: 19 Jul 04 - 05:18 AM Thanks, I probably would have missed this and kicked myself |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: GUEST,bluenose Date: 19 Jul 04 - 08:53 AM i,ll second that i would definately have missed it |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: el ted Date: 19 Jul 04 - 09:13 AM Thanks jOhn, this definitely didn't appear in this month's copy of "Dressmakers Monthly" |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: Ringer Date: 19 Jul 04 - 10:41 AM So, poll home early from the pub, then, is it? |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: Easy Rider Date: 19 Jul 04 - 02:32 PM |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: Easy Rider Date: 19 Jul 04 - 02:35 PM So! What about us disadvantaged Colonials, on the West side of the Pond? Can somebody make an NTSC VHS tape of the show and send it to us? I would pay postage, and I could distribute copies to any others, in the U.S.A. who wanted it. I did this a few years ago, with a Bert Jansch tape. |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: Ed. Date: 19 Jul 04 - 02:56 PM Easy Rider, I'm no expert on this, but in the UK VHS is coded for PAL rather than NTSC, which I believe makes them incompatable with US equipment. |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Jul 04 - 03:09 PM I'm not an expert either but as my video can play both formats, I assume similar machines are available in the US. I'm even less an expert on satellite dishes (nasty, anti-environmental eyesores), but as my neighbour's picks up US digital transmissions, surely BBC4 can be picked in the US? |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: Arnie Date: 19 Jul 04 - 04:35 PM I saw this documentary the first time round - quite accidentally as it happened - think I'd just got back from the pub or something, and it was great. Unfortunately I'll be out of the country on Friday and my video is kaput!! For those who are going to see it, you're in for a real treat......enjoy!! |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: GUEST Date: 19 Jul 04 - 05:45 PM UK vcrs can usually play NTSC as well as our normal PAL but not the other way round. COnversion vcrs are available at a price in the US. Easy Rider you could try PM-ing Nickp - although he's not always cookied up. I think he may have the technology... |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: Willa Date: 19 Jul 04 - 06:55 PM Thanks, John - I'd like to watch the programme - will make a note of it. |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: Micca Date: 20 Jul 04 - 01:41 PM I am currently experimenting with a DVD recorder that CLAIMS to record in NTSC format as well as PAL and it would be useful if I could make a recording and send it to someone to test if it plays properly, this looks like a suitable , worthwhile programme to try it out on, Please PM me if you are interested in participating in an experiment. |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: GUEST,Fieldvole Date: 20 Jul 04 - 02:28 PM Thanks for that John, nice to see them putting something good on "normal" TV for a change. Thanks again Fieldvole |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: RolyH Date: 20 Jul 04 - 03:57 PM If its any of any intrest,I've got a good quality CD of the soundtrack if anyone wants a copy. |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 21 Jul 04 - 07:36 AM |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: LesB Date: 21 Jul 04 - 01:27 PM Has anyone noticed in the Radio Times write up on the prog, the reviewer manages to get a dig in at Morris dancers. Steriotyping rules at the Beeb. Les |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: Schantieman Date: 22 Jul 04 - 12:49 PM Hey, Les - if you're not going to Warwick, p'raps you could record it for me? I'll try and set up my machine to do it, but, being over 18 I'm not sure I can program it properly! Cheers Steve. |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: LesB Date: 22 Jul 04 - 02:17 PM Hi Steve, I'm hoping to record it for myself as well as watch it. I'll lend it to you. No i'm not going to Warwick unfortunatly, it's France with the Argy's the week after, so I need a rest. Cheers Les |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: Abuwood Date: 23 Jul 04 - 02:02 PM Thanks for that info - should be home from the Indian by then.... |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: DMcG Date: 23 Jul 04 - 02:21 PM Out of interest, does anyone know more about Martin being "originally an actor"? (There is a clip in the programme where he is a soldier at Waterloo, but he is still appearing as a singer rather than an actor.) |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: Selchie - (RH) Date: 23 Jul 04 - 02:22 PM Hi Les The 'dig' at Morris Dancers was certainly noticed & brought to the attention of the Morris Dance Discussion List just before last weekend by Trefor Owen, Morris Federation President. Prompting much discussion & asking dancers to email the Beeb to complain. Hopefully this was taken up by many against cheap jibes at Folk & Morris once again! Will look forward to the programme though. Mairi |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: The Borchester Echo Date: 23 Jul 04 - 02:38 PM "originally an actor" He was involved in the Open Air Theatre in Regent's Park, I think as an ASM, and toured for a while with the company. I seem to remember he did some walk-on parts as well...it's a hell of a long time ago! Then Steeleye Span were in Corunna! at the Royal Court in about 1971 (oops, I just typed 1871) it wasn't that long ago! |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: Ed. Date: 23 Jul 04 - 03:04 PM Dave, To quote from the book 'Martin Carthy: A Guitar in Folk Music:' "After leaving school, I spent 18 months working in theatre backstage, and doing walk-on parts, preparatory to my inevivitable elevation to West-End stardom. Inexplicably, this failed to materialise, and I signed off from my first and last period on the dole after six weeks and did a succession of odd jobs." |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 23 Jul 04 - 03:18 PM Anyone know how to tape digital programmes? I would likr to tape this programme, but cant figure out how to, i've tried to tape it before, but ended up with a blank tape [I did press record!] My Digital machine is a Pace DSL4000 Broadband , and my video is a SONY SLV-700. cheers.john |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: Ed. Date: 23 Jul 04 - 03:23 PM John, with the system here (NTL) you have to set the video to channel 6, and have the TV on AV1 - Don't know if that helps... |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: DMcG Date: 23 Jul 04 - 03:28 PM As its on the 'ordinary' channels, there shouldn't be a problem. Taping 'freeview' programmes is usually more complicated because few video recorders have a freeview tuner built into them yet. You may find that you can ask the video to record whats on the one of the external connectors and persuade your freeview decoder to send its output there - that's how our setup works. |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: Ed. Date: 23 Jul 04 - 03:30 PM Thinking about it, you don't have to set the TV to AV1 to record, that's just to watch it. If your system is anything like mine, having the correct channel on the VCR is the important thing. Try recording something, whilst you (slowly) change the channel on recorder. That should alert you to the right one (I hope) |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 23 Jul 04 - 03:40 PM Thanks Ed and Dave, I just realised its on "normal telly", I don't have a TV aerial, but have a huge FM radio aerial, I'll plug that into my video. I've had Digital TV for about 4 years, still hav'ent figured out how to record it, I'm crap with new technology! thanks again.john |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 23 Jul 04 - 06:36 PM REFRESH, its on now. |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: Richard Bridge Date: 23 Jul 04 - 07:47 PM Truly excellent and fascinating. I'm almost sure that I saw a Hagstrom H-22 sitting on an armchair in several shots, and was that his big Fylde experimental he was playing on the song (I lost the title) from the 1648 broadsheet? And I'd say a lot of the posters to the "performer" thread need to listen to what he had to say about performance. What a great man! |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 23 Jul 04 - 07:54 PM I just watched it, it was really nice. |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: The Borchester Echo Date: 23 Jul 04 - 08:07 PM So glad I've seen it at last. Yes, an extraordinary demonstration of just how much he has pared down his performance. I think is was the Fylde on Dominion of the Sword. Time stood still for me when he walked down those Troubadour steps but it was the sequences in St Paul's Crypt that struck me most. Such a true person and what a great man. There, Richard Bridge, I've agreed with you! |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: fat B****rd Date: 24 Jul 04 - 05:18 AM Great programme(again)even to a rock'n'roller like me. |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: Jim McLean Date: 24 Jul 04 - 05:20 AM My wife, Alison Chapman, took many of the photo's of Martin in the Troubadour including the one with Bob Dylan. Our video recording ran out at the credits and I wonder if anyone recorded the show and noticed if she was credited atall? A great show. |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: s6k Date: 24 Jul 04 - 05:37 AM i wasnt sure if to watch it or not... but i watched it, and was hooked... it was one of the best music programmes ive seen |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: Dave Hanson Date: 24 Jul 04 - 05:44 AM The BBC should do more programmes like this, it was excellent. eric |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: Folkien Date: 24 Jul 04 - 06:46 AM I saw the programme when it was first shown on BBC4 and recorded it so I've seen it dozens of times, but still watched it again last night. I'm a bit of a Martin Carthy fan :) The review of the programme in the radio times was very good, but the reviewer still couldn't resist a dig at morris dancing *sigh*. I believe there is a documentary to be shown later in the year on BBC4 about the Coppers. Can't wait for that. BBC4 are doing folk music proud at the moment, so it may be a good idea to give some feedback on the BBC4 website to encourage them to keep up the good work. |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: GUEST,Folkfan Date: 24 Jul 04 - 07:15 AM Sorry Jim, the Carthy film was the first music doc to be made for the BBC 4 series and the then existing guidelines for end credits were ridiculous (ie. 20 secs max). Alison (and some other important contributors) should of course been credited but were not. Apologies apolgies apologies. The broken guitar on the armchair is the Gibson featured in the early photo montage of Martin. It is the Fylde (in Martin's dulcimer tuning, all Cs and Gs I believe) on the splendid Dominion of the Sword. Martin's acting career has been described accurately by this thread. He appeared briefly as a lift attendant in a British thriller called "Stranger on a Train". I tried very hard to obtain this clip but failed. He tells a very funny story of multiple takes of his one line scene. They had changed the name of the character Martin was addressing without bothering to tell him..... The 'Battle of Waterloo' was a BBC Pebble Mill live drama event and Martin says he found his identification with the role so harowing that he would not act again. Thanks for the kind comments fellow fans..... |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: GUEST,folkfan Date: 24 Jul 04 - 07:30 AM Er....... that is 'harrowing'. Most importantly, I forgot tosay that although the positive crits. of the Carthy film in British papers were most welcome I too find the incessant ly negative stereotyping of Morris dancing ignorant and ultimately offensive. I would dearly love to make a film that addresses these symptoms of our strangely alienated English culture. Best to all |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: The Borchester Echo Date: 24 Jul 04 - 07:44 AM That's good news, folkfan. If you get it off the ground I suggest you take a look at the Demon Barber Roadshow and Morris Offspring, two skilled and exciting ensembles of young dancers and musicians who are carrying the tradition forward. |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: Willa Date: 24 Jul 04 - 08:14 AM Folkien : 'it may be a good idea to give some feedback on the BBC4 website to encourage them to keep up the good work' - I agree.Hope people will do just that. |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: Brakn Date: 24 Jul 04 - 09:19 AM The first time I saw Martin Carthy was early 1969. I'd wagged the day off school and was round a friend's house just wasting time watching tele. There was a play on, possibly for schools, about a load of squaddies who were trying to show their officers that they had their own culture. (I think!) They put on a concert and invited the officers to attend. Martin Carthy and Dave Swarbrick were part of the concert. It was probably a famous play. Does anyone iknow what it's called? |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: GUEST,folkfan Date: 24 Jul 04 - 11:01 AM The play was Rattigan's "Chips with Everything" a piece about National Servicemen in the 50's. Quite right, Martin and Dave were in it singing in full battle dress. Didn't see the play but I've got some great BBC still pics (copyrighted I'm afraid). Best |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: Jim McLean Date: 24 Jul 04 - 12:36 PM Hi folkfan, thanks for your comments. It's ironic that Alison's pics are all copyright too! |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: Chris Amos Date: 24 Jul 04 - 02:08 PM I had no idea that there was any film of Sam Larner in existance, does anyone know where this came from? is it part of a programme that feachers Sam in some length, if so I think that we should petition the beeb to show it, same for the magical shots of Elizabeth Cotton, played a right hand guitar "upside down" left handed, like to see some more of her. Magical. Chris |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: GUEST,judetheshepherd Date: 24 Jul 04 - 02:19 PM Quite agree with all the comments on the Radio Times review - Carthy spends much of the documentary bemoaning our lack of a real sense of English identity and then some eejit reviewer makes a dumb joke about morris dancers. Also, the old finger in the ear nonsense was trotted out again - wonder when said reviewer will take their head out of another part of their anatomy long enough to realize that in most forms of music where vocal harmonies are improvised, singers WILL have to close off one ear? Never mind - isn't it nice when you see a profile of a hero who actually lives up to their reputation? |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: fat B****rd Date: 24 Jul 04 - 03:55 PM Hey, folkfan. Just to be pedantic it was Arnold Wesker who wrote Chips With Everything. Anyhow, great Carthy programme. ATB from the Fb. |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: GUEST,folkfan Date: 24 Jul 04 - 04:16 PM The Sam Larner clip was from "The Singer and the Song" made by Scan Films for the BBC and I have been agitating for BBC 4 to broadcast this and other archive folk material. Maybe an evening of vintage folk programming including a showing of Derrick Knight's often pillaged "Travelling for a Song" in its entirity? The wonderful Elizabeth Cotten footage is available from Stephan Grossman's Guitar Workshop. Re. the folk as joke reviews: about two thirds of otherwise friendly pieces both recent and at the time of original transmission saw fit to comment about fingers in ears and/or morris dancing. Re. Alinson's uncredited contribution. I've talked with Jim since earlier postings. I did at least clear her historic Dylan/Martin photo for which she (like every other photographic contributor) demanded no payment . She should at least have received proper credit. All I can plead in mitigation is multiple, simultaneous pressure and an impossible budget. Sorry. The thing about the stills from "Chips" is the copyright is with the BBC not me otherwise I'd post 'em to all. Love Greg |
Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July From: GUEST Date: 24 Jul 04 - 04:24 PM Oops! pedantic FatB is absolutely right Wesker wrote the thing. It was "Chips" that Brakn saw however. |
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