Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July
From: 8_Pints
Date: 24 Jul 04 - 06:52 PM

I managed to tape the entire thing last night (using PAL VHS format) and agree this was a fascinating and entertaining piece.

The most important message that came across for me was Martin's assertion that "the singing should be about us, not - me, me, me!"

His humility is the essential attribute of any traditional singer IMHO.

Now if only I knew how to play it back into my PC and create a CD 'back-up' I would be ecstatic!

Bob vG

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 24 Jul 04 - 06:54 PM

Just to be even more pedantic, that Watersons film by Derrick Knight is called Travelling for a Living. I know it be be available in both PAL and NTSC formats and I believe it's going to be (if it isn't already) out on DVD.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July
From: Compton
Date: 24 Jul 04 - 07:33 PM

Didn't the old feller do a bit in "Larkrise to Candleford" at the National?? with everybody else who counted!

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 24 Jul 04 - 07:52 PM

There was a great line from Martin where he said something like the only way to stop folk music happening was to prevent its performance anywhere. He made the analogy of folk being a glass which you could move somewhere, but not change, not alter or reform and you could not use it. It was a very good and balanced programme although, as has been noted elsewhere, the sly comments in the press about fingers in ears and morris dancers were a bit offputting.

It was good to see pics of Swarb when he was young....

Maybe he should be the subject of another programme......before it really is too late?

LTS

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July
From: GUEST,Nerd
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 03:42 AM

The DVD of Travelling for a Living comes with the Watersons box set released by Topic. Not sure if it's available separately. It also is available in NTSC VHS format (I got one from Martin a couple years ago).

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July
From: Micca
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 11:45 AM

I have this in a DVD format but (thanks BBC ) it chopped the last song and titles off the end because the timeing was out.. any one interested PM me

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July
From: Selchie - (RH)
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 12:59 PM

Folk ~ 'Finger in the Ear' & 'Morris Dancing' jibes will continue. Folkfan 'would love to make a film on it' a great idea.

That would be better than trusting any national media to do it. However, beware, participation by either folkies or morris dancers in good faith may still be mercilessly edited for the sake of further ridicule.

M

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 04:16 PM

I think that the clips of Martin singing "William Taylor" plus his bit with the Watersons came from a BBC programme filmed in Nottingham, prod Phillip Donellan, called "The Other Music" c 1981
This would surely be worth showing again since apart from the aforementioned it also contained Ewan MacColl, Bert Lloyd, John Kirkpatrick, Jim Eldon, Roy Harris etc.etc.
Is this still available as it must be quite an valuable documentary especially to show to today's younger folkies.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 05:51 PM

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July
From: GUEST,folkfan
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 06:35 PM

Yes Dave S

the clips came from Phillip Donellan's "The Other Music" and there is one complete tape still in existence.

No offence to the great Donellan, and I speak as a fellow unreconstructed Marxist, 'TOM' is a very direct piece of polemic that may not sit easily with todays audience without sympathetically placing it in an historical context.

Phillip also made the series "The Good Old Way" which featured the Watersons and Martin and some clips were taken from these for the programme.

No one has yet asked about "Hullabaloo" "Degrees of Folk" "The Julie Felix Show" or "Travelling for Shopping".

Of all the archive I was most excited by the very early Martin in "Hullabaloo". Brief sequences of "Queen of Hearts" and "Lowlands" appear in the show but there is much else of great wonder including "Duncan and Brady" with the late and very great Rory McEwan. The early Dave Swarbrick bit with E.C.F.G was also from Hullabaloo a veritable treasure trove now owned by Canal Plus.

Love
G

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July
From: GUEST,folkfan
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 07:01 PM

Er that is Ian Campbell Folk Group

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 04:51 AM

Nice to know the contributing photographers weren't paid, presumably everybody else gave their services gratis too.

I did enjoy the programme but do question this matter of non-payment.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July
From: GUEST,Chris
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 07:38 AM

Thanx to the BBC for this programme.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July
From: synbyn
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 07:17 PM

yes bluenose- i did miss it & am kicking myself! Any news on a repeat welcome...good series

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July
From: Dave Masterson
Date: 27 Jul 04 - 09:35 AM

A great programme - shame you missed it Bob. Looking to this week - the late great Viv Stanshall - can't wait!

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Video is Here]
From: Easy Rider
Date: 01 Aug 04 - 10:15 AM

I have it, an NTSC (American) version VHS copy of the Martin Carthy documentary (Thanx, Nick). I've watched a little of it, and it looks GREAT!

If you want a copy, send me an email, and I'll tell you where to send the $5.00 I need, to cover costs.

Thanx,
Easy Rider

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV [Friday 23rd July
From: MikeofNorthumbria
Date: 02 Aug 04 - 07:29 AM

Hi Guestfolkfan,

I presume from your postings here that you are the person(or one of the team) behind this programme. If so, please accept my heartiest congratulations. It was certainly the best documentary piece on folk culture I've ever seen on TV. I watched it first time around on BBC4, and have re-watched it on video on numerous occasions since. Everybody I've showed it to has agreed with my estimate of it. We all look forward eagerly to your next production.

In one of your postings, you said: "I would dearly love to make a film that addresses these symptoms of our strangely alienated English culture."   If that project ever gets off the ground, you might find this article of some interest:

http://www.mustrad.org.uk/articles/england.htm

In it, I tried to address some of the problems which you, and other contributors to this thread are concerned about.

Keep up the good work!


Wassail!