Subject: Lyr Add: WEXFORD FISHING SONG From: Wolfgang Hell Date: 29 Oct 98 - 09:25 AM I heard this song on an LP from MacMurragh (MacMurrough?) a duo I never heard of before or after. This is my transcription with a couple of ??? starting of course with the placenames. If you know it please mend my mistakes. Wolfgang WEXFORD FISHING SONG
1. The red sun rolls down over Ballyteige’s waters
Chorus1: So raise high a chorus,
2. The wind from the northlands is cruel and smiting
3. The wind from the southlands is soft and beguiling
Chorus2: So raise high a chorus,
4. Fill (theer) round the sails and (the moore) safely guide her
Chorus3: While we raised high our chorus, Chorus2.
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Subject: RE: ADD: Wexford fishing song From: Martin Ryan Date: 29 Oct 98 - 10:41 AM Interesting one. There is a long tradition of songs from the Wexford area to do with the sea - lifeboats, tragedies etc. Can't say I recognise this one. The main placenames are real enough. I'm a bit wary of the "hooker" reference in one verse.Did you recognise the air?
I'll check it out when I get a chance. Regards |
Subject: RE: ADD: Wexford fishing song From: Wolfgang Date: 29 Oct 98 - 10:49 AM Martin, I didn't know the tune but I'll check on the record cover for notes. Wolfgang |
Subject: RE: ADD: Wexford fishing song From: Liam's Brother Date: 29 Oct 98 - 03:28 PM Guten tag Wolfgang! I could help you pretty quickly, I think, if I could hear the tape, but this is a tough assignment. There was a collection, Songs of the Wexford Coast, published in 1948 but it's nearly impossible to get. At least I haven't been able to get it. Send me a message if you'd want me to listen to a tape for you. All the best, Dan |
Subject: RE: ADD: Wexford fishing song From: dick greenhaus Date: 30 Oct 98 - 12:45 AM Martin- A Hooker is a type of fishing craft. Among other things. |
Subject: RE: ADD: Wexford fishing song From: Wolfgang Date: 30 Oct 98 - 04:34 AM Dan, I have sent you a private message saying "yes, thank you" in many more words. Wolfgang |
Subject: RE: ADD: Wexford fishing song From: Liam's Brother Date: 30 Oct 98 - 04:30 PM Hi Wolfgang! Unable to retrieve your message. Please try folkmusic@prodigy.net All the best, Dan |
Subject: RE: ADD: Wexford fishing song From: Martin Ryan. Date: 01 Nov 98 - 06:56 PM Dan "Songs of the Wexford Coast" was reprinted in 1975. I have a copy. The song is not there. I can keep an eye out for a copy of the book if you're interested. There is a later book of Wexford songs by Paddy Berry, whom you may know. I'll check it when I get a chance.
Dick
Wolfgang Regards |
Subject: RE: ADD: Wexford fishing song From: Wolfgang Date: 05 Nov 98 - 11:53 AM Hi Dan, I've tried two ways this time, but just in case: mail hell@psy.uni-muenster.de Wolfgang |
Subject: Lyr Add: WEXFORD FISHING SONG From: Wolfgang Date: 29 Dec 98 - 04:20 PM here it is again with some corrections from Liam's brother. Thank you, Dan. (He isn't completely sure about the "Theer" in verse 4, but he's confident that there's two sailor's names) Wolfgang Wexford Fishing Song
1. The red sun rolls down over Ballyteige’s waters
Chorus1: So raise high a chorus,
2. The wind from the northlands is cruel and smiting
3. The wind from the southlands is soft and beguiling
Chorus2: So raise high a chorus,
4. Phil Theer round the sails Andy Moore safely guide her
Chorus3: While we raised high our chorus, Chorus2. |
Subject: RE: ADD: Wexford fishing song From: Martin _Ryan Date: 25 Feb 99 - 08:35 PM I'm still puzzled by this one. There is a "Wexford Fishermen's Song" based on folklore about not sailing on St. Martin's day (oddly enough). Not the same song,obviously. Regards |
Subject: RE: Hookers From: Philippa Date: 26 Feb 99 - 10:36 AM I saw the reference to hookers; learn more at this site www.galwayonline.ie/welcome/history/history2/hookers.htm |
Subject: RE: ADD: Wexford fishing song From: Wolfgang Date: 03 Jun 99 - 06:10 AM Martin, as for the tune, to give you a rough idea, it uses parts of the Bard of Armagh but goes into a slightly different melody where the Bard of Armagh doesn't fit well. Esp. for lines 1-4 and the chorus, the fit is close. Wolfgang |
Subject: RE: ADD: Wexford fishing song From: MMario Date: 26 Apr 01 - 09:53 AM Anyone capable of posting the tune? Or could scan and e-mail it? |
Subject: RE: ADD: Wexford fishing song From: Wolfgang Date: 26 Apr 01 - 10:54 AM I'll mail a tape if that helps. Takers? Wolfgang |
Subject: RE: ADD: Wexford fishing song From: MARINER Date: 26 Apr 01 - 01:54 PM As far as I remember "The Wexford Fishing Song was first recorded by The Kinsella Family, from Kilmore Quay. Ithink the song is of fairly recent vintage, a poem put to music by Kinsellas. Ijust need 10 mins. and I'll be back with details. ( Ithink the reference to Hooker is a bit iffy, coming from a Wexford song. |
Subject: RE: ADD: Wexford fishing song From: MARINER Date: 26 Apr 01 - 02:21 PM Take back my last post.I am reliably informed, by one of The Kinsellas that they never recorded The Wexford Fishing Song, so the original was by McMorrough (a fine duo)from Ferns Co. Wexford. Now, the song itself, the words are by P.J.McCall(Wind that shakes the barley, Boys of Wexford,Lowlands Low, etc),not as recent as I thought. The air,( sounds to me like a a variant of "The Boys From The County Mayo" )was written by Mrs. Babs Egan of Scar ,Duncormick, Co Wexford. So, although the words are over a hundred years old , the air is about twenty odd years old. Sorry for first screw up, Mariner (a copper fastened "Yellabelly", Wexford man to you strangers) |
Subject: RE: ADD: Wexford fishing song From: MARINER Date: 26 Apr 01 - 05:25 PM Wolfgang Hell, I forgot to mention you should look after that McMorrough album, it's worth a lot of money. Their Polydor albums are in the £400 price range. |
Subject: RE: ADD: Wexford fishing song From: MartinRyan Date: 26 Apr 01 - 05:31 PM Mariner Very interesting! Some of the phrases are quite like McCall's "Sailing in the Lowlands", alright. I've never heard it sung, I must say. Regards |
Subject: RE: ADD: Wexford fishing song From: Noreen Date: 26 Apr 01 - 08:49 PM Interesting! I had/still have (?I hope!) a McMurrough album... were there not many pressed or what, to make them so valuable now, Mariner? (Mine didn't have this song on though.) |
Subject: RE: ADD: Wexford fishing song From: Wolfgang Date: 27 Apr 01 - 04:05 AM Mariner,
thanks a lot for all that information. The MacMurragh album gives hardly< more than the titles of the songs. Martin, you've never heard it sung? I'll change that. Isn't there an event some time soon which is an opportunity for presents (like tapes)? Wolfgang |
Subject: RE: ADD: Wexford fishing song From: MARINER Date: 27 Apr 01 - 05:30 PM I've really no idea why McMorrough's albums are worth so much. Like Wolfgang ,I always found them a little "sweet".I bought one of their albums in the Iveagh Market in Dublin for £2 and sold it a few weeks later to a dealer for £40.Shortly afterwards he had it for sale for £400, a price that they apparently fetch regularly.I have a feeling that the label it's on may have some part in the value. I think they were on Polydor "Folkmill" which for some reason is a fairly collectable label. McMorrough were a husband/wife duo. Paul Kavanagh( the hubby) is now a barrister practicing on the south/east circuit in Ireland.The song in question was also recorded recently by The Rathangan Choir from McCall's "home place" in Co. Wexford. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Yarmouth town and Wexford fishing s From: Airto Date: 27 Nov 01 - 12:12 PM "It quickens the sails we have set", rather than seeds, I think. Phil Theer: Phil Dwyer, perhaps? Theer is not a surname I've heard of. Dree sounds odd. Can't think of alternatives at the moment, though. There are certain dialect words in Wexford not used elsewhere. Stacia seems likely. Short for Anastasia. Hookers are a Galway Bay speciality. I don't know they if they existed in other regions. I don't think they were ever used for fishing. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Yarmouth town and Wexford fishing s From: Airto Date: 28 Nov 01 - 08:54 AM Having had more time to think about "dree", I suspect the intended word is "grief". The term "hooker" is more generic than I thought, and such boats were indeed used for fishing as well as carrying small cargo. A quick search found references to Boston, Plymouth and Kinsale hookers as well as the well known Galway variety. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Yarmouth town and Wexford fishing s From: Wolfgang Date: 13 Dec 01 - 12:46 PM Thank you, Airto, for thinking about the lyrics. I've listened again and I now think my transliteration is very close to what is sung (of course, the word boundaries might be at other places: 'Phil Theer' might as well be 'filth ear', disregarding the sense). (But I was sure with another song recently and then the author posted and said he is actually singing what I don't hear; so I never trust me completely with English lyrics)
- I insist on 'seeds' (until more evidence comes that I'm wrong) and I think it makes sense in that context. Wolfgang |
Subject: RE: ADD: Wexford fishing song From: MMario Date: 16 Apr 03 - 01:56 PM tune? |
Subject: RE: ADD: Wexford fishing song From: ciarili Date: 16 Apr 03 - 04:03 PM I see that you guys credit P.J.McCall with The Wind That Shakes the Barley, but I thought it was written by Robert Dwyer Joyce (1830-1883). Maybe someone'll come along and let us know.... |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wexford Fishing Song From: MMario Date: 01 May 03 - 03:54 PM tune? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wexford Fishing Song From: MARINER Date: 01 May 03 - 04:55 PM Sorry,Ciarili you're correct, Wind That Shakes The Barley was written by Robert Dwyer Joyce. Sorry, I don't know how I made such a mistake. Mea Culpa! And the first to record it were The Kinsellas, even though Nick Kinsella told me they hadn't.Then he sent me a tape they released of Wexford songs and there it was! He must hace forgotton about it. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wexford Fishing Song From: Stewart Date: 02 May 03 - 01:30 PM Since MMario keeps asking for the tune (I was waiting also), but none has appeared, I have adapted a tune from "The Bard of Armagh" (as suggested by Wolfgang). The ABC is below. My chords are: Dm A7 Dm A7 - Dm A7 Dm A7 Dm A7 Dm C Dm Dm A7 Dm A7 - Dm A7 Dm A7 Dm A7 Dm C Dm X:1 T:Wexford Fishing Song C:words - P. J. McCall; tune ~ Bard of Armagh Q:1/4=100 I:abc2nwc M:6/8 L:1/8 K:C z3z2A,|D3/2^C/2D EAG|FDE ^C A, A,/2A,/2|D3/2^C/2D EFG|A3z2A,|D3/2^C/2D EAG|FDE ^CA,A,|D3/2E/2F ED=C|D3z2F/2G/2|AGF GAG|FDE ^C A, A,/2A,/2|D3/2^C/2D EFG|A3z2A|A3/2F/2A GEG|FDF E A, A,/2A,/2|D3/2E/2F ED=C|D3z3 |] I don't know if this is the actual tune for the song, but it seems to work, and I sort of like it. Cheers, S. in Seattle |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wexford Fishing Song From: MMario Date: 02 May 03 - 01:39 PM good enough for me, Stewart. thank you! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wexford Fishing Song From: MARINER Date: 02 May 03 - 04:33 PM Yeah, Isuppose it is a mix of The Bard of Armagh and The Boys from the County Mayo, but I think the latter is closest. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wexford Fishing Song From: MartinRyan Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:13 PM Just spotted this one in an online version of one of P.J. McCall's books HERE (p. 123) Regards |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wexford Fishing Song From: MartinRyan Date: 31 Jul 09 - 03:48 AM Incidentally, note that the first line of verse 4, which was causing some confusion, is "Phil - veer round the sail!" Regards |
Subject: Lyr Add: WEXFORD FISHING SONG (P. J. McCall) From: Jim Dixon Date: 05 Aug 09 - 12:42 PM Here's the corrected text from Irish Fireside Songs by P. J. McCall (Dublin: M. H. Gill & Son, Ltd., 1911), page 123: WEXFORD FISHING SONG P. J. McCall Air: "Poll Cearnuit," No. 1129 in "The Complete Petrie Collection." 1. The red sun rolls down over Ballyteig's waters, And the Saltees grow misty and grey; At home on the mainland our wives and our daughters Are wishing good luck on the day! With a west wind long blowing, our nets filled o'erflowing From a shoal that broke under our lee; Then raise high a chorus, the way lies before us, With a boat full of spoil from the sea! 2. The wind from the Northlands is cruel and smiting, And the young lambs we scarcely can save; While the wind from the Eastlands is callous and blighting, And it adds a full foot to the wave! O sweet west wind singing! a seagull low winging Is our hooker that skims light and free— So raise high a chorus, the way lies before us, With a boat full of spoil from the sea! 3. The wind from the Southlands is soft and beguiling, And it quickens the seeds we have set; But the wind from the Westlands is soothing and smiling, And it brings the bright fish to the net! Then ho, for the west wind, for oh, 'tis the best wind To save all poor fishers from dree: And raise high a chorus, Kilmore lies before us, With our boat full of spoil from the sea! 4. Phil, veer round the sail! Andy Moore, safely guide her! One more tack and we'll make for the pier! See my Ellen, with Marg'ret and Stasia beside her— When I e'er thus come home to my dear! O sweet Queen of Heaven! let meet praise be given To The Babe Who once sat on thy knee! While we raised high our chorus, His blessing hung o'er us, In the boat full of spoil from the sea! |
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