BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........

Subject: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 09:19 AM

Edvard Munch's "Madona", better known to the world as "the Scrream" has just been stolen from a gallery in Norway. Maybe someone can find a link for the story...

I hates a thief... especially an art thief...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 09:50 AM

Reuters Article

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: mack/misophist
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 09:51 AM

Let's hope the thieves are as careful with it as the last batch were.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 10:07 AM

I can never understand how, once they are stolen the paintings are still worth that much?
Because if it has to be hidden forever in a private vault, where is the monetary value of it ? It couldn't be resold on the open market, so how can it have a worth? Sorry that's about as clear as mud.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: Gervase
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 10:52 AM

Most thefts of high-value works of art are with a view to either ransom or claiming a proportion of the insurance value on recovery through the loss adjusters.
Not that that doesn't mean there are some shadowy "Mr Bigs" around who like a hooky work of art on the walls. The paintings stolen from the Isabella Stewart Gardner museum in Boston have never been recovered and probably now grace someone's study in Osaka or Bogota.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: SINSULL
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 10:58 AM

I hate a thief too. I have put a curse on every stone and setting that was stolen from me years ago. I wouldn't accept them back and I pity the innocent who wears them today.

I always thought that this particular painting was over rated. Whoever has to sit under it deserves it.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 11:10 AM

I guess there must be a handful of extremely rich and utterly unscrupulous people who would be willing to pay a huge amount for a well-known piece of art and hang it in a place where only they could enjoy it. It probably gives some people an immense feeling of power to think that they are denying the rest of us something which, by rights, should belong to everyone.

Hopefully, it was just stolen by a couple of hoodlums who aren't smart enough to realize the difficulty of fencing so famous a piece and it'll either turn up in a few months or their attempts to sell it will get them busted.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 11:21 AM

Then there's Billy Wilder's take on it.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: Peter T.
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 11:44 AM

It was stolen by Guillaume Apollinaire.....


yours,

Peter T.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: pdq
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 12:07 PM

Good God is that painting ugly! Let's hope a billionaire buys it and hides it in his secret art room in the basement.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: RangerSteve
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 12:08 PM

I'm sorry, but it's one ugly painting in my opinion. The owners must feel the same way, or it wouldn't be so easy to steal.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 12:20 PM

Here's a version for colouring-in with crayons...

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 12:23 PM

It's not about whether or not the piece is "pretty". It's about what it says about the human condition. As with all worthwhile art, it says volumes to those who are willing to experience it and nothing at all to those who aren't.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: pdq
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 12:29 PM

A close-up photo of a pile of vomit on a barrom floor say more about "the human condition" than this painting does!

Subject: Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
From: Mr Red
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 03:53 PM

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 04:03 PM

It was not me. I am not into art. Anyway I dont' like that pitchure. I have seen it. It aint what I call a good lookin thing that a person would look at for very long. Unless they were into bein dpressed. Then maybe.

I did steal a carbboard lifesize Shania Twain from a bookstore once, but I did not steal this thing.

BDiBR

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From: Alba
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 04:07 PM

oh McGrath. I love it.......LMAO
Blessings
Jude

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 04:09 PM

It's a good painting, pdq, or it wouldn't move you so much; there's something there that frightens you or you wouldn't be so eager to put it down.

Just ignore it and go look at some Thomas Kinkaide paintings. You'll feel better.

clint

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 04:30 PM

Dang! I was looking forward to painting in the colouring book version with Windows' Paint program but it's the wrong kind of file and Paint can't open it. Guess I'll have to print it and use crayons.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: DonMeixner
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 04:35 PM

The world wide affection for this piece of pre-school finger painting still eludes me. I hope the painting eludes the searchers as well.

Don

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 04:36 PM

I love this painting, and hope they recover it in good condition.

First time I ever saw it, I thought "Oh yeah, been there, done that."


..xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: pdq
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 04:36 PM

What I look at is not your concern, CK. But FYI, Remington and Charles Russell are preferred, but I feel just fine looking at reality, in person. If you spent more time out in the country, you would feel less comfortable with trash depicting a psychotic episodes.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 07:21 PM

I suspect that a picture of vomit on a bar room floor would win next year's Turner prize, if recent entries are anything to go by.

Actually 'The Scream' was ripped off years ago by a UK pub chain who use it as sign boards on their pubs. Really makes you want to go and get drunk in there.... NOT.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 07:25 PM

It would depend on who took the picture, Liz. And how effectively they marketed themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: Pogo
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 07:36 PM

Stolen?

*deep breath*

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Okay sorry...had to get that flippancy out of my system...I'm better now...

Seriously...I read that there was no security whatsoever at the musuem...and why was that???

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 08:01 PM

Ellenpolly says: First time I ever saw it, I thought "Oh yeah, been there, done that."

I guess that's the determining factor in whether or not one likes 'The Scream' or any other piece of modern art. If you've spent time in the mental place that the artist is portraying, the painting speaks to you in ways words cannot. If you've never been there (or if you were too numb to realize it when you were there) you'll never connect with it.

By the way, I still have a number of 'The Scream' Christmas cards with Santa Claus flying overhead while the guy is experiencing his mental agony. Sums up my attitude toward Christmas perfectly.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 08:57 PM

Christmas is mainly a gigantic marketing scam these days. No wonder it bothers people.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: Cluin
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 11:14 PM

Munch tapped into something archetypal with that piece. Clint Keller is right, above.

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From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 11:20 PM

i dont know waht they nicked it foir, its rubbish.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 11:45 PM

Well, rubish or not, it is art and, thus so has been assigned a certain value. I happen to be one of those folks that Bee-dubya-ell is speaking of who can appreciate the horror that Munch so vividly captured. There ahve been few artist in history who have been so able to take a snapshot of a nightmare. Goya's painting (name escapes me) of the unarmed resistor throwing up his hands as he is about to be shot at point blank range and Picassos' "Guernica" to name a couple of them. But this is a small group of artists who have dared to capture the horror of the moment.

I do, however, find a level of irony in its theft. As it does deal with horror then maybe the guy who has it will find it's meassge overpowering in light of the way the person acquired it and feel damned for his misdeed?

Bobert

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From: Cluin
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 12:33 AM

Goya's "Third of May", Bobert.

His "Saturn" is pretty powerful too. Can't believe Goya used this one as a house decoration.

I won't provide a link to any of Francis Bacon's work; somebody might be eating.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 02:55 AM

It's bloody hideous![Is it suppossed to EVOKE a "scream"?]

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 03:03 AM

rubbish, i say rubbish!

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 04:43 AM

"What I look at is not your concern, CK. But FYI, Remington and Charles Russell are preferred, but I feel just fine looking at reality, in person. If you spent more time out in the country, you would feel less comfortable with trash depicting a psychotic episodes.

pdq: I didn't mean to be insulting. Strike the last two sentences of my post; they are flippant. But I'm serious underneath; if you don't like it, look at what you do like. That's the way I deal with Thomas Kinkaide.

The thing is, when you said "A close-up photo of a pile of vomit on a barrom floor say more about "the human condition" than this painting does! " it struck a nerve. I have a bias against critics. The more common version is "My five-year-old can do better than that."

If you don't like it as well as a vomit photo, good enough, but that's an opinion & not necessarily true for everyone.

And about spending time out in the country; I've spent most of my life in - or near - North Idaho and it just doesn't get very urban here. I didn't go to school when I was six because we lived too far away -- on Smith Creek up close to the Canadian line and next to the mountains. We lived with my grandparents, who still farmed with horses then.

Matter of fact, Remington and Russell are two of my favorites. Charlie Russell doesn't draw as accurately, but I like his work better. I think he has more feeling, knows what it's about more. But they're not the whole of art, or of life.

And the kind of psychotic trash I'm comfortable with is not your concern, either, if I may be a bit irritable here. Although it's ok if you're interested and want to talk about it.

clint

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From: Bagpuss
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 05:24 AM

I have to raise a voice for the Munch supporters. I love his work. The Scream and Anxiety pictures seem to me to so accurately convey that awful sick knot in the stomach feeling you have when you do just want to scream, but you cant and you just carry on as normal. On the outside everything is fine but on the inside you are like that painting.

However, perhaps my favourite Munch is one of a girl on a jetty which I had a print of on my wall for ages, but it got damaged in a house move and I cant seem to find a replacement. I'll post a link if I can find one.

Bagpuss

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From: Bagpuss
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 05:26 AM

Young Girl on a Jetty

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: Bagpuss
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 05:36 AM

PS, Madonna is a different picture to The Scream. They were both stolen.


Madonna

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From: GUEST,Art the puff.
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 06:01 AM

I was talking to the guy who pinched it, a good friend and a lover of art, [art is a lovely feller], he intends to spare the world from this crap and tells me it is for the shredder.

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From: Gurney
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 06:49 AM

Prefer Blind Drunk I.B.R.s taste to Edvard Munch's. They can keep it for all of me. If I'd ever been to anywhere that felt/looked like that, I'd be trying to forget it.
'Young Girl on a Jetty' is much better, but the guy who built that jetty ought to see an optomitrist.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: Bagpuss
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 06:57 AM

When you have been somewhere like that, forgetting it isn't an option. It is widely accepted that expression of negative emotions (through writing, art or even just talking to someone) is much more psychologically healthy than bottling them up - especially if you have suffered from a mental illness (as I believe Munch has). Just because you don't understand it, or it doesnt touch you personally, doesnt make it bad art. Just not the kind of art that you like.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: GUEST,Mr Red
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 08:05 AM

I saw this in NZ when they had the travelling exhibition.

It wasn't quite so scary in the flesh, though there are several versions of it so I don't know that I saw the definitive version. I do remember a lot of his paintings and there were "of a type".

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Scream' is stolen........
From: Gurney
Date: 24 Aug 04 - 07:09 AM

Bagpuss, I may not know much about Art, but I know what I like.

I did say "keep it for all of ME," and if forgetting isn't an option, I'd guess the problems will be long a'going.