BS: Manitas in hospital

Subject: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: Micca
Date: 25 Aug 04 - 04:17 PM

My Friend Manitas,(Liz the Squeak's SO) is hospitalised temporarily with Diverticulitis ( which sounds like he has some kind of roadworks in his system!!) he has had the problem for some time and reports are that he is mostly Ok and cheerful,(a more complete report will be added by Liz after Visiting time this evening) so , good thoughts and whatever for him, a very fine Melodianist and good musician, and generally one of the Good Guys.
Micca

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 25 Aug 04 - 04:19 PM

OUCH! Diverticulitis is no fun at all - and to keep it under control one normally has to stop eating things you like...

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: SINSULL
Date: 25 Aug 04 - 04:21 PM

I agree. Very painful.
Poor Liz has had more than her share.
Feel better Manitas

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: Leadfingers
Date: 25 Aug 04 - 04:23 PM

Thats a Bugger as they say

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: CarolC
Date: 25 Aug 04 - 04:28 PM

From one squeezer to another... Get Well Soon!

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: MudGuard
Date: 25 Aug 04 - 04:33 PM

Get better, Paul! And quick!

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: Amos
Date: 25 Aug 04 - 04:33 PM

Up your condition, Manitas!! Heal soon -- and beware of small seeds, nuts and the like....


A

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: Micca
Date: 25 Aug 04 - 04:36 PM

Amos, If he avoids Nuts his social life will be very much reduced as it describes Many of his friends, after all He plays melodeon, and dances longsword and morris

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Aug 04 - 04:40 PM

Sorry to hear this Manitas, troubles in that region are both painfull, and painfully embarassing. I drink to you speedy recovery,
Bottoms Up!!
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Aug 04 - 04:50 PM

Here's to your improving health.

Cautionary tale though......my mum was diagnosed with diverticulitis for about the last ten years. Recurring stomach problems were the norm. She was living on barium meals for the duration and hospitalized about five times, due to the pain being so severe. She had numerous scans,all came back clear. And she was sent home with the " How to live with diverticulitis" leaflet, again and again and again.

She collapsed in February this year and was rushed to the same hospital that had been merrily discharging her for the last ten years.
Her blood counts showed extreme levels of toxins. She was operated on immediately and given a 20 per cent chance of not surviving the op.
Thankfully she did survive the op. They found that a metre of her small intestine had twisted and the blood supply cut off. This meant she had to have the 'dead' metre of intestine removed. The toxins were due to the gangrenous gut.

Six months later she is fitter than she has been for years, The consultant said the gut had been perforated and slowly twisting for years....she didn't have diverticulitis at all. The problem stemmed from adhesions that grow sometimes after stomach surgery. Hers has been put down to scar tissue from a caesaerean she had 40 yrs ago.

The Lancet published a plea to GP's asking them to refer all patients complaining of recurring stomach probs, for investigative surgery. Apparently most twisted bowels are a direct result of scar tissues from previous surgeries. But because the gut is always moving and kinking it isnt something that will show on a scan. And of course investigative surgery costs money, so it isn't offered. The Lancet report goes onto explain how the chances of a patient surviving the procedure following a twisted bowel is not good. They either don't survive the op or are left with an ileostomy or full colostomy. My mum was 'lucky' that her section of intestine was not in the worse place, and they resectioned both of the new ends of intestine together.

She is no longer being treated for diverticulitis, as she never had it after all.

I have just reread this and it does all look sombre, but I just want Liz to be aware that if he has ever had stomach surgery, ask the doctor about the possibility of adhesions.

I hope he makes a full recovery and is out of the hosp in no time.

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Aug 04 - 05:12 PM

Spaw's got good advice on this, if I remember correctly...figures, huh?**bg**

If you'd go with the diver-wot-tickles-the-most'es, you'd be better off!**bg**

May a speedy recovery to full health be yours!

kat

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:21 PM

He was looking fit enough up on the Arena stage at Sidmouth. Hope he's up and playing and dancing again soon.

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: Morticia
Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:44 PM

Give him our love and best wishes for a speedy exit from the hopital............Have you noticed how they are full of sick people?

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:49 PM

Get well soon Paul, and get back to squeezing, in time for The Old Road Tavern.

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: pixieofdoom
Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:49 PM

Best of wotsits Paul, good recovery and hope to see you soon xx

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: Tig
Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:50 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:53 PM

Hope you are feeling better soon Paul.

Khatt

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: kendall
Date: 25 Aug 04 - 09:20 PM

That is very painful, but it is quite treatable too. You must avoid small seeds such as raspberries, strawberries, cucumbers etc. And get used to eating a cup of bran every day. It works.
Good luck to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: Amos
Date: 25 Aug 04 - 10:04 PM

Best vibes coming your way, Paul!! :>)

Amos

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: Sorcha
Date: 25 Aug 04 - 10:05 PM

I had managed to miss this....get better Paul.....you only need to do the clear liquid thing when you have a flare up....otherwise you can eat what you like with the exception of small seeds or chunky nut stuff as Kendall said...no seeds, nuts or sweet corn. And, the good news is that a Flare Up usually only lasts about 3 days.....anybody can live on coffee, beer, jelly and chicken broth for 3 days. Wine is also a clear liquid....LOL!

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: jimmyt
Date: 25 Aug 04 - 10:28 PM

Hey Paul, get well buddy All the best from georgia jimmyt

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: jacqui.c
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 01:56 AM

Paul and Liz - good thoughts coming from this direction.

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: open mike
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 02:08 AM

you might find that bananas are not suggested..
their seeds, though ever so small, have been
known to cause troube with this condition!

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: Dave Masterson
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 03:25 AM

We hope you're soon back firing on all cylinders Paul - you may remember Eileen and I from the old Covent Garden club days - all the very best

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: Zany Mouse
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 03:38 AM

Oh dear - does this mean you'll have to go on the wagon? Poor you!

Seriously though, get well soon - or else ...

Rhiannon

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 03:47 AM

My late pa-in-law also suffered and had to eat more bran. It didn't seem to inhibit his beer intake, Rhiannon!

RtS

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: GUEST,Elfcall
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 04:57 AM

Sorry to hear this news Paul - get well soon and out to Towersey asap. Do the PR&PS still go?

Elfcall

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 05:00 AM

Sorry to hear it Paul - I hope that they've caught it early and can sort out the problem by diet change and nedication. Hurry up and get better.

I had the same problem, but eventually had to have about 10 inches of colon removed - I can't afford to have a recurrence now - it would mean a colostomy.

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: Lanfranc
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 05:02 AM

Here's to a swift recovery, Paul.

Best to avoid hospitals, they're full of sick people.

Alan

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 05:03 AM

Elfcall....look out for the stripey hat!....at least one member of the PR&PS will be there and can be found in the Barn!

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: fat B****rd
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 05:05 AM

Get well soon, Paul.

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 06:25 AM

Clear liquid? That sounds fine to me. My favourite drinks are all clear liquids.

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: kendall
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 09:05 AM

I now eat all the nuts I want, but, I MUST have that cup of bran every day to keep things moving.

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 12:14 PM

Thanks for all the good wishes. Obviously I'm out now but it wasn't painful as it wasn't diverticulitis but I do have diverticulosis and this is the suspected cause of the bleeding which pronpted me to go in (a simple test showed it wasn't piles!). Fortunately the bleeding didn't persist and they kept me in an extra night as they transferred me to the gastro-urinary team who wanted their own diagnosis. I suspect the problem was brought on by a week's holiday diet and possibly some pine nuts. The dietician has suggested I spend a few days on a low fibre diet to rest the bowels. In general I should be on a high-fibre diet ie lots of fruit and veg, wholemeal bread and pasta etc. Oh, and lots of liquid to keep things moving.

For those of you who don't know diverticulosis is when small pouches form in the walls of the colon. These can sometimes trap food such as seeds and pieces of nut and become irritated and inflamed and can develop into diverticulitis. Surgery can resolve the problem but the doctors currently favour avoiding surgery which could be more risky than the condition, especially if it can be controlled (not diminished mind) by diet. It's a condition about a third of people in the 'West' will suffer from in their lives due to the lack of fibre in 'Western' diets.

Thanks again,

Paul

PS Kendall the diet sheet I have been given says that uncooked bran can stop you absorbing minerals and vitamins. Plus it tastes like cardboard.

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: Alba
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 01:25 PM

Manitas may you Heal quickly.
Thinking of you and hope you are feeling much better very soon.
Love. Light and Blessings
Jude
ps: uncooked Bran....YUK!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: kendall
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 07:44 PM

I've gotten used to it!
A man can adjust to anything except a stone in his shoe.

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: Leadfingers
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 07:57 PM

Glad its not TOO bad mate - Hang Loose , as they say !

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: MudGuard
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 08:24 PM

Manitas back at home? That's good news!

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 01:29 PM

Best wishes from me, too!

Kitty

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: jacqui.c
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 06:30 PM

Glad to hear it Paul. Keep well.

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: Metchosin
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 10:36 PM

Best wishes, take care.

Subject: RE: BS: Manitas in hospital
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 11:30 PM

Sorry I missed this Manitas, but I'm glad you're home and all is going well.

A few years ago, another 'Catter, Lyrical Lady, and I developed the problem. Lyrical Lady (Barb) and I both ended up for about a week in the hospital AT THE SAME TIME with diverticulitis. Both of us were a gnat's ass from surgery. This was about a little over a 2-3 years ago. It was funny because we both came back to the 'Cat and had had the same basic experience. Barb was a little worse than I because she waited even longer. In my case the Cat-scan showed an "infected mass" ......

I was sucking up the pain figuring it was just some kind of gas or intestinal flu or something. When I started running a fever, it was time to go. I have an "Automatic E.R. Pass" that will get me in front of damn near everybody in the joint. I say, "I am running a fever over 100 and I have an artificial mitral valve."

In any case, docs are really mixed on what's what with Divertcular Diseaese and what brings on the acute attacks. For a good while I didn't even try anything that I thought might set it off, but eventually I tried things and found that a few "classics" caused reaction and some of the "classics" were no problem at all. I ran across one about a year ago that put me on "Liquids to White to Mashed" diets for a week until things cleared up. I made some pork fried rice with brown rice and no matter how long I cooked or how much water, it was a bit hard. Big mistake eating that! I generally do badly with hard seeds (popcorn hull,sesame,poppy, etc) but not slimy seeds or hulls......Hot pepper seeds, cucumber seeds, corn--all fine)

I think the real situation is that we all are affected in different way by it as Barb still stays away from virtually everything because so many things just tend to affect her. Come to think of it, I haven't seen her around in awhile and I hope she's okay. Anyway, it's strange that what affects one doesn't affect another. My best advice is to try small quantities of things you really like and might cause problems.....See if they do. A few days of the white diet will set you right again. I still find only the small and hard things a problem. Luckily no problem with corn or I'd go nuts this time of year!

Good luck!!!

Spaw