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Lyr Req: On the Banks of the Ban

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BANKS OF THE BANN (3)
THE BANKS OF THE BANN
THE BANKS OF THE BANN (WILLIE ARCHER ON THE BANKS OF THE BANN)


Related threads:
Tune Req: Willie Archer and Lakes of Coolfin (4)
Tune Add: Banks of the Bann (Willie Archer) (10)


FIDDLE-4 27 Aug 04 - 08:36 AM
masato sakurai 27 Aug 04 - 09:19 AM
BTMP 27 Aug 04 - 12:51 PM
ard mhacha 27 Aug 04 - 01:31 PM
croc 27 Aug 04 - 05:03 PM
Malcolm Douglas 27 Aug 04 - 05:26 PM
FIDDLE-4 29 Aug 04 - 01:03 AM
FIDDLE-4 30 Aug 04 - 03:08 AM
FIDDLE-4 30 Aug 04 - 03:12 AM
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Q (Frank Staplin) 21 Aug 05 - 03:58 PM
McGrath of Harlow 21 Aug 05 - 06:50 PM
MartinRyan 21 Aug 05 - 07:48 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 21 Aug 05 - 08:24 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 21 Aug 05 - 08:33 PM
Malcolm Douglas 21 Aug 05 - 09:19 PM
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Subject: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban
From: FIDDLE-4
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 08:36 AM

I heard Gordie hanna singing this song
on a bridge at a fleidh in rasarkin
co,antrim -spelling may be incorrect,
I know the tune but I forget the words.

fiddle-4
Messages from multiple threads combined. There is no need to have separate threads for lyric request & andd, tune reuqest/add, chords request/all - it's usually better if all the information on a song is in the same place.
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban
From: masato sakurai
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 09:19 AM

Is it one of these songs in the DT? All are spelt with two n's.

THE BANKS OF THE BANN

BANKS OF THE BANN (3)

THE BANKS OF THE BANN (WILLIE ARCHER ON THE BANKS OF THE BANN)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban
From: BTMP
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 12:51 PM

Might also be the Star of the County Down ???


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban
From: ard mhacha
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 01:31 PM

I could never imagine Geordie Hanna singing "The star of the Co Down",


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE BANKS OF THE BANN
From: croc
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 05:03 PM

THE BANKS OF THE BANN

When first to this country a stranger I came
I laid my attentions on a girl who was young
Her eyes warm and tender her waist small and slender
She was one of the finest in the world I had seen


Twas on the Banks of the Bann that first I met her
She seemed like an angel or Egypt's fair queen
Her eyes like diamonds or pearls softly gleaming
Sure heaven had made her for my overthrow.

It was her cruel parents that first caused our variance
Because they are rich and of high degree
(0r Because I am poor and of low degree)
But I'll do my endeavour to win my love's favour
Although she is born of a high pedigree.

My name is Delaney it's a name that won't shame me
And if I'd had money I'd never have roamed
But gambling and sporting, night rambling and courting
Were the cause of my downfall and absence from home.

If I had the riches that are found in the Indies
I'd put rings on her fingers and pearls in her ears
And there on the banks of the lovely Bann river
In all kinds of splendour I would live with my dear.


From memory. I think it's fairly accurate.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 05:26 PM

That's a kind thought, but it's already been posted here several times, as Masato's links above should indicate; you needn't have taken the trouble to type it out again. There have been discussions in the Forum, too: all are easily found via the onsite search engine ("Lyrics and Knowledge Search" at the top of every page), but new members sometimes take a while to learn how to use it.

The river Bann isn't far from where Jim ("Fiddle-4") lives, I should imagine.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban
From: FIDDLE-4
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 01:03 AM

THANKS= masato sakurai -
IT WAS THE WILLIE ARCHER VERSION
OF THE SONG.
I ALSO HAVE HEARD IT CALLED WILLIE ANGLER..


THANKS VERY MUCH AGAIN,

J.McAULEY
FIDDLE-4


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Subject: Tune Add: on the banks of the bann{willie angler}
From: FIDDLE-4
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 03:08 AM

This is the tune to the song /lyrics
I was looking for eariler- as close to
what I heard Geodie hanna singing it..
that co,antrin fleadh day...resarkin.


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Subject: Tune Add: THE LOVELY BANN RIVER
From: FIDDLE-4
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 03:12 AM

X:1
T:THE LOVELY BANN RIVER
S:JIM McAULEY.-HEARD FROM A FRIEND-JOE STEWART=Co,MAYO
M:4/4
L:1/4
Q:1/4=200
K:F
|C2 A2|A2 cB|Az F2 |F2 F.G.|A2 A2 |Bz c2 | c4 |AG F2.|F2 A2 | c4 |Ac d2|dc AB| c4 |
|c2 d2|de fe|d2 c2 |AB c2 |F2 e2,|d2,d2,|C2 A2|A2 zc |BA F2 | F4 |zG A2|A2 G2| F4 ||


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Subject: Tune Add: ON THE BANKS OF THE BANN
From: FIDDLE-4
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 03:18 AM

X:1
T:on the banks of the bann
C:
M:4/4
L:1/4=170
Q:1/4=210
K:F
||G2 ce|f2 d2| e4 |z d/ c/d2| cA G2 | G.G2|
|ef g2| g2 a2 | g2 e/d/c A2 | G2 ef| g3az|3g/(3e d/c3/2 3/2d2 |
|ef g2| g2 a2 | g2 e/d/c A2 | G2 ef| g3az|3g/(3e d/c3/2 3/2d2 |
|c2 AG |G2 ce|g2 ~e-2|d2 ce| dc A2| G2 G.|G4|


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban
From: croc
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 03:54 PM

sorry Malcolm - that's teling me. When I've got time to learn how to use the gadget I will.


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Subject: Lyr Add: BROWN GIRL (from Kenneth Peacock)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 03:58 PM

This song appears in the DT as "Banks of the Bann (Bawn)" and as "Brown Girl," version from Creighton. Kenneth Peacock reported a version in his "Outports" volumes, which is posted here by request (Peacock's set is rare).

Lyr. Add: BROWN GIRL (Peacock)

When first to this country I came as a stranger
I placed my affection on a maiden was young,
She was young and tender and her waist small and slender,
Kind nature had framed her, she proved my overthrow.

By the bank of ariver that's where I first met her,
She appeared like some goddessr some gracious queen,
Her eyes shone like diamonds, the stars they were shining,
You're the fairest in this wide world I ever have seen.

It was her old father that first caused disturbance
Because I was poor and below her degree,
I will do my endeavours my darling to gain you
Although you are born of a rich family.

My name it's Delaney, that's a name that won't shame me,
And if I'd saved I might stayed at home,
But drinking and sporting, night walking and courting
Is the cause of my ruin and my absence from home.

Cheer up lovely Johnny, don't be melancholy,
If you'll prove loyal sure I'll prove true,
There's no other superior that will ever gain my favour,
On the banks of the Bawn I will ramble with you.

Now I have gained her I'm contented forever,
I'll put rings on her fingers and gold drops in her ears,
And with all kinds of pearls I will deck that brown girl,
With all kinds of grandeur I will store her, my dear.

Sung by Wm. Holloway, King's Cove, Nfld. Printed with music, pp. 355-356, vol. 2, Kenneth Peacock, 1965, "Songs of the Newfoundland Outports."

The first verse reads like one of a number of immigrant ballads, and misled me until I read it all.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 06:50 PM

The tune commonly used for it is also used for a widely sung hymn (and a good one, too, Lord of all hopefullness. It was written by "Jan Struther", real name Joyce Maxtone Graham, 1901-1953 - I don't know whether she put the tune to it or not; but I wonder whether it might have been a hymn tune already (for some previous hymn) even before it attached itself to the Banks of the Bann.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban
From: MartinRyan
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 07:48 PM

"Be thou my shepherd"?

Regards


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 08:24 PM

The tune to "Lord...", is called "Slane." A midi by Barry Taylor is here: Slane

The melody in Peacock to "Brown Girl" is similar in part only.

Americans are more likely to know the hymn as "Be Thou My Vision," sung to this tune and believed to be 8th century. Be Thou My Vision
"Be Thou My Vision" is attributed to Dallan Forgaill, 8th Century, "Rob tu mo bhoile, a Comde cride," translated to English by Mary E. Byrne, 1905, versed by Eleanor H. Hull, 1912. Data from Cyberhymnal.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 08:33 PM

Don't know why the Cyberhymnal link doesn't work. Cyberhymnal suggests linking to their home page, so try http://www.cyberhymnal.org, and select from Titles.
Cyberhymnal Home


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 09:19 PM

The Cyberhymnal link doesn't work because you have unconsciously corrected their rather odd spelling. http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/b/t/btmvison.htm should do the trick.

For McGrath's benefit, 'Slane' is dealt with at some length elsewhere here, though with the usual mix of good information and complete nonsense. See in particular the old, embarrassingly-titled thread Be Thou My Vision -do ya know this Irish Tune, recently again resurrected.

The tune used for this version, however, is not related to 'Slane' so far as I can tell; neither, for that matter, is the version in Sam Henry's Songs of the People. It may be that people just assume that 'Slane' is the usual tune for Banks of the Bann, having heard it so often sung to that melody. It may only appear common because so often recorded by revival performers, though, and these do tend to learn songs from each other rather than from traditional sources, which can create quite wrong impressions as to what was normal or common in the past.

The song appeared on broadsides as The Brown Girl, and that seems to be its usual name; sometimes the Ban[n] is mentioned, sometimes the Boyne, but the broadside action appears to take place in another part of the world; perhaps the Indies which are usually mentioned. In forms found in (probably later) oral currency, the whole action moves to the banks of the Bann. I wonder if this may have happened via cross-influence from the various other "Bann" songs like Willie Archer? Martin or Tim would know much more about that than I do, and I'd hope they might comment further; but of course we especially miss John Moulden at times like this.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban
From: masato sakurai
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 09:21 PM

BE THOU MY VISION at Cyber Hymnal.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 09:49 PM

It may or may not be a recent wedding of tune and text, but I think it's the case now that Slane is the tune commonly used for the Banks of the Bann. Mostly through people having heard it sung by someone in a club or whatever, I'd say, rather than from records. It's not a case of appearing common, it's of being common.


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE BANKS OF THE BANN (from Voice Squad)
From: Mr Happy
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 10:00 AM

This is the version from The Voice Squad:


THE BANKS OF THE BANN

When first to this country a stranger I came
I placed my affection on a maid that was young
She being warm and tender, her waist small and slender
Kind nature had formed her for my overthrow

On the banks of the Bann, where I first beheld her
She appeared like fair Juno or a Grecian queen
Her eyes shone like diamonds, her hair softly twining
Her cheeks were like roses, or blood drops in snow

'Twas her cruel parents that first caused our variance
All because I was poor and of a low degree
But I'll do my endeavour for to gain my love's favour
Although she is come of a rich family

My name is Delaney, it's a name that won't shame me
And if I had saved money I'd have plenty in store
But drinking and courting, night rambling and sporting
Were the cause of my ruin and absence from home

Oh had I the money that's in the West Indies
Or had I the gold of the African shore
I would spend it on pearls, and on you my brown girl
For there's no other love in this world I adore

And now that I've found her I'm contented for ay
I'll put rings on her fingers and gold in her ear
We'll live on the banks of the lovely Bann river
And in all sorts of splendour I will style her my dear.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban
From: Mr Happy
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 10:30 AM

......just noticed, after perusing the words for possible peformance this w/e at Migglewitch, that the internal rhymes occur in Verses 1 & 2.

When first to this country a stranger I came
I placed my affection on a maid that was young
She being warm and tender, her waist small and slender
Kind nature had formed her for my overthrow

On the banks of the Bann, where I first beheld her
She appeared like fair Juno or a Grecian queen
Her eyes shone like diamonds, her hair softly twining
Her cheeks were like roses, or blood drops in snow

unusual, eh?


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