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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the Banks of the Ban From: GUEST,John Moulden Date: 03 Jan 22 - 01:03 PM The Alt version of Willie Archer (Angler) (Roud 3473) combines text & tune from Sam Henry and some text from a Silly Wizard recording. The song has seldom been recorded from tradition but was fairly common on ballad sheets. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the Banks of the Ban From: GUEST,Rory Date: 02 Jan 22 - 04:28 AM Willie Angler (Banks of the Bann) Recording Artist: The Alt (John Doyle, Nuala Kennedy, Eamon O'Leary) Album: The Alt (2014) As I was a-walking down by yon mill-town, To view the fair valleys they did me surround; I spy there a fair maid, to me she looked grand, Viewing fine fishes by the banks of the Bann The little time, I remember, was the sweet month of May, When Flora the goddess clothed the meadows so gay; The fields were in bloom by nature's command, I met with my love by the banks of the Bann I stepped up beside her and this I did say, Since nature has formed us to meet on this day, Since nature has formed us, will you give me your hand, And we'll walk together by the banks of the Bann. It being a summer's evening and a fine quiet place, I saw there the blushes that appeared on her face; We lay down together there in the warm sand, And she rolled in my arms by the banks of the Bann. Young man, you have wronged me, tell me your name, When my babe is born I might name it the same; My name is Willie Angler, and you might understand, My home and my dwelling lie close to the Bann. But I cannot marry you, for apprenticed I'm bound, To the spinning and the weaving in Rathfriland town; When my time is over, I will give you my hand, And we'll walk together by the banks of the Bann. Come all you young maidens, take warning by me, Never go walking at one, two, or three; Never go walking so late if you can, Or you'll meet Willie Angler by the banks of the Bann. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the Banks of the Ban From: GUEST,Rory Date: 02 Jan 22 - 04:25 AM Willie Archer (Banks of the Bann) On the DT THE BANKS OF THE BANN (WILLIE ARCHER ON THE BANKS OF THE BANN) Also known as: "Willie Angler"; "Willie Ingram"; Roud# 3473 Earliest printing is in a Scottish chapbook, c1802. The Banks of the Bawn A printing before 1825 is in the Bodleian Libraries Broadside Ballads. The River Ban Scottish chapbook, in the National Library of Scotland L.C.2807(10) Printer: J. Morren, Edinburgh (c 1802) Three Songs: King Solomon's Temple; The Accepted Mason; The Banks of the Bawn 1 In noisy harbour called sweet Hill town, On mountains, clear fountains they did me surround, I espied a fair female as you may understand, That was viewing small fishes in the river Bawn. 2 I stepped up to her and this to her did say, Fair nature has formed you all hearts to betray; If you will come with me my dear, I am the one, That will be your guardian on the river Bawn. 3 I will not go with you young man she did say, For you are a stranger and will me betray; I a chaste virgin would break the command, Your absense is a cordial on the river Bawn. 4 May Phoebus and Luna in dark eclipses mourn, And the gulf of Venus with sulphur mines burn, May the wide ocean turn to dry land, If ever I prove false to you on the river Bawn. 5 At length my persuasion's began to take place, I knew by the blushes that shewed on her face; Her feet they did slide on a quick bed of sand, And she fell into my arms on the river Bawn. 6 And when that she came to her senses again, Says dearest Willie do not me disdain, You have undone me my dear out of hand, Come let us be married on the river Bawn. 7 I cannot yet marry, I am a poor prentice, bound To a linen weaver in high Riffryline town, When my time is out, here is my hand, That we will be married on the river Bawn. 8 Since it is so sir pray tell me your name, The place that you live in, or from whence you came? My name it is Will Angler, from sweet Murrays land, And my dwelling it lies on the river Bawn. 9 Come all you fair females whereever you be, When you fall a thinking of my sad destiny, Neber go a roving by one or two o'er the lawn, For fear of Will Angler that roves on the Bawn. Bodleian Libraries Broadside Ballads, Harding B 17 (258a), Title: "The River Ban" Printer: Angus, between 1774 and 1825. 1 In yonder noisy harbour called the sweet Hilltown, Where mountains and clear fountains did me surround, I espied a fair female you should understand, Was viewing small fishes in the river Ban. 2 Her cheeks like the roses, her breath like perfume, And skin like the lilies when in full bloom, To gain her favour the seas would trepan, By her charms I am wounded by the banks of the Ban. 3 The time I remember was in sweet May, When the goddess Flora clothed all things gay, The fields were in bloom by fair natures clothed, When I met my darling on the river Ban. 4 At length I did salute her, and to her did say, Fair nature did form you all hearts to betray, If you will go with me, my dear I'm the one, Would be your true guardian on the river Ban. 5 I will not go with you, young man, she did say, For you are a stranger and would me betray, And I a chaste virgin would break the command, Let us part cordial on the river Ban. 6 May Phoebus and Luna in dark eclipses mourn, And the gulph of Venus with sulphur mine burn, And the troubled ocean be turn'd to dry land, If I prove false on the river Ban. 7 Young men will dissemble fair maids to deceive, Like the wicked serpent that beguiled Eve, They'll laugh and they'll scoff at the pomp of command, Therefore do not teaze me on the river Ban. 8 I told her fine stories of the gods above, That Mars enjoy'd Venus in the absense of love, Nature is a pattern you may understand, Therefore be not coy on the banks of the Ban. 9 At length my persuasion's seem'd to take place, I thought by the blushes that shone in her face, Her feet they did slip on the quick beds of sand, And she fell in my arms on the sweet river Ban. 10 When that she came to her senses again, She said, my dear Willy, do not me disdain, For you have undone me, my dearest of men, Come let us be married on the sweet river Ban. 11 I cannot yet marry, an apprentice I am, To a young weaver near Riverhead town, When my time is ended, here is my hand, I'll be your darling on the sweet river Ban. 12 Since it is so pray tell me your name, And likewise the place from whence you came, My name's William Angler, from sweet Moneyslan, My dwelling is here on the banks of the Ban. 13 Come all you fair females whoever you be, When that you ponder my sad destiny, Do not go a roving by two or by one, For fear of the Angler that lives on the Ban. Verse 2 line 3 "To gain her favour the seas would trepan" In A Dictionary of the English Language, by Samuel Johnson, 1755. trepan = a) A snare; to catch; to ensnare; lure; a strategem by which anyone is ensnared. In Queen Elizabeth's reign some English ships being invited, with great show of friendship, into Trapani, a part of Sicily, were there detained. b) An instrument by which surgeons cut out round pieces of the skull. So this line would read as: "To gain her favour the seas would have to lure her" |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban From: Mr Happy Date: 14 Jun 07 - 10:30 AM ......just noticed, after perusing the words for possible peformance this w/e at Migglewitch, that the internal rhymes occur in Verses 1 & 2. When first to this country a stranger I came I placed my affection on a maid that was young She being warm and tender, her waist small and slender Kind nature had formed her for my overthrow On the banks of the Bann, where I first beheld her She appeared like fair Juno or a Grecian queen Her eyes shone like diamonds, her hair softly twining Her cheeks were like roses, or blood drops in snow unusual, eh? |
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Subject: Lyr Add: THE BANKS OF THE BANN (from Voice Squad) From: Mr Happy Date: 14 Jun 07 - 10:00 AM This is the version from The Voice Squad: THE BANKS OF THE BANN When first to this country a stranger I came I placed my affection on a maid that was young She being warm and tender, her waist small and slender Kind nature had formed her for my overthrow On the banks of the Bann, where I first beheld her She appeared like fair Juno or a Grecian queen Her eyes shone like diamonds, her hair softly twining Her cheeks were like roses, or blood drops in snow 'Twas her cruel parents that first caused our variance All because I was poor and of a low degree But I'll do my endeavour for to gain my love's favour Although she is come of a rich family My name is Delaney, it's a name that won't shame me And if I had saved money I'd have plenty in store But drinking and courting, night rambling and sporting Were the cause of my ruin and absence from home Oh had I the money that's in the West Indies Or had I the gold of the African shore I would spend it on pearls, and on you my brown girl For there's no other love in this world I adore And now that I've found her I'm contented for ay I'll put rings on her fingers and gold in her ear We'll live on the banks of the lovely Bann river And in all sorts of splendour I will style her my dear. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 21 Aug 05 - 09:49 PM It may or may not be a recent wedding of tune and text, but I think it's the case now that Slane is the tune commonly used for the Banks of the Bann. Mostly through people having heard it sung by someone in a club or whatever, I'd say, rather than from records. It's not a case of appearing common, it's of being common. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban From: masato sakurai Date: 21 Aug 05 - 09:21 PM BE THOU MY VISION at Cyber Hymnal. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 21 Aug 05 - 09:19 PM The Cyberhymnal link doesn't work because you have unconsciously corrected their rather odd spelling. http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/b/t/btmvison.htm should do the trick. For McGrath's benefit, 'Slane' is dealt with at some length elsewhere here, though with the usual mix of good information and complete nonsense. See in particular the old, embarrassingly-titled thread Be Thou My Vision -do ya know this Irish Tune, recently again resurrected. The tune used for this version, however, is not related to 'Slane' so far as I can tell; neither, for that matter, is the version in Sam Henry's Songs of the People. It may be that people just assume that 'Slane' is the usual tune for Banks of the Bann, having heard it so often sung to that melody. It may only appear common because so often recorded by revival performers, though, and these do tend to learn songs from each other rather than from traditional sources, which can create quite wrong impressions as to what was normal or common in the past. The song appeared on broadsides as The Brown Girl, and that seems to be its usual name; sometimes the Ban[n] is mentioned, sometimes the Boyne, but the broadside action appears to take place in another part of the world; perhaps the Indies which are usually mentioned. In forms found in (probably later) oral currency, the whole action moves to the banks of the Bann. I wonder if this may have happened via cross-influence from the various other "Bann" songs like Willie Archer? Martin or Tim would know much more about that than I do, and I'd hope they might comment further; but of course we especially miss John Moulden at times like this. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 21 Aug 05 - 08:33 PM Don't know why the Cyberhymnal link doesn't work. Cyberhymnal suggests linking to their home page, so try http://www.cyberhymnal.org, and select from Titles. Cyberhymnal Home |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 21 Aug 05 - 08:24 PM The tune to "Lord...", is called "Slane." A midi by Barry Taylor is here: Slane The melody in Peacock to "Brown Girl" is similar in part only. Americans are more likely to know the hymn as "Be Thou My Vision," sung to this tune and believed to be 8th century. Be Thou My Vision "Be Thou My Vision" is attributed to Dallan Forgaill, 8th Century, "Rob tu mo bhoile, a Comde cride," translated to English by Mary E. Byrne, 1905, versed by Eleanor H. Hull, 1912. Data from Cyberhymnal. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban From: MartinRyan Date: 21 Aug 05 - 07:48 PM "Be thou my shepherd"? Regards |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 21 Aug 05 - 06:50 PM The tune commonly used for it is also used for a widely sung hymn (and a good one, too, Lord of all hopefullness. It was written by "Jan Struther", real name Joyce Maxtone Graham, 1901-1953 - I don't know whether she put the tune to it or not; but I wonder whether it might have been a hymn tune already (for some previous hymn) even before it attached itself to the Banks of the Bann. |
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Subject: Lyr Add: BROWN GIRL (from Kenneth Peacock) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 21 Aug 05 - 03:58 PM This song appears in the DT as "Banks of the Bann (Bawn)" and as "Brown Girl," version from Creighton. Kenneth Peacock reported a version in his "Outports" volumes, which is posted here by request (Peacock's set is rare). Lyr. Add: BROWN GIRL (Peacock) When first to this country I came as a stranger I placed my affection on a maiden was young, She was young and tender and her waist small and slender, Kind nature had framed her, she proved my overthrow. By the bank of ariver that's where I first met her, She appeared like some goddessr some gracious queen, Her eyes shone like diamonds, the stars they were shining, You're the fairest in this wide world I ever have seen. It was her old father that first caused disturbance Because I was poor and below her degree, I will do my endeavours my darling to gain you Although you are born of a rich family. My name it's Delaney, that's a name that won't shame me, And if I'd saved I might stayed at home, But drinking and sporting, night walking and courting Is the cause of my ruin and my absence from home. Cheer up lovely Johnny, don't be melancholy, If you'll prove loyal sure I'll prove true, There's no other superior that will ever gain my favour, On the banks of the Bawn I will ramble with you. Now I have gained her I'm contented forever, I'll put rings on her fingers and gold drops in her ears, And with all kinds of pearls I will deck that brown girl, With all kinds of grandeur I will store her, my dear. Sung by Wm. Holloway, King's Cove, Nfld. Printed with music, pp. 355-356, vol. 2, Kenneth Peacock, 1965, "Songs of the Newfoundland Outports." The first verse reads like one of a number of immigrant ballads, and misled me until I read it all. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban From: croc Date: 30 Aug 04 - 03:54 PM sorry Malcolm - that's teling me. When I've got time to learn how to use the gadget I will. |
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Subject: Tune Add: ON THE BANKS OF THE BANN From: FIDDLE-4 Date: 30 Aug 04 - 03:18 AM X:1 T:on the banks of the bann C: M:4/4 L:1/4=170 Q:1/4=210 K:F ||G2 ce|f2 d2| e4 |z d/ c/d2| cA G2 | G.G2| |ef g2| g2 a2 | g2 e/d/c A2 | G2 ef| g3az|3g/(3e d/c3/2 3/2d2 | |ef g2| g2 a2 | g2 e/d/c A2 | G2 ef| g3az|3g/(3e d/c3/2 3/2d2 | |c2 AG |G2 ce|g2 ~e-2|d2 ce| dc A2| G2 G.|G4| |
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Subject: Tune Add: THE LOVELY BANN RIVER From: FIDDLE-4 Date: 30 Aug 04 - 03:12 AM X:1 T:THE LOVELY BANN RIVER S:JIM McAULEY.-HEARD FROM A FRIEND-JOE STEWART=Co,MAYO M:4/4 L:1/4 Q:1/4=200 K:F |C2 A2|A2 cB|Az F2 |F2 F.G.|A2 A2 |Bz c2 | c4 |AG F2.|F2 A2 | c4 |Ac d2|dc AB| c4 | |c2 d2|de fe|d2 c2 |AB c2 |F2 e2,|d2,d2,|C2 A2|A2 zc |BA F2 | F4 |zG A2|A2 G2| F4 || |
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Subject: Tune Add: on the banks of the bann{willie angler} From: FIDDLE-4 Date: 30 Aug 04 - 03:08 AM This is the tune to the song /lyrics I was looking for eariler- as close to what I heard Geodie hanna singing it.. that co,antrin fleadh day...resarkin. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban From: FIDDLE-4 Date: 29 Aug 04 - 01:03 AM THANKS= masato sakurai - IT WAS THE WILLIE ARCHER VERSION OF THE SONG. I ALSO HAVE HEARD IT CALLED WILLIE ANGLER.. THANKS VERY MUCH AGAIN, J.McAULEY FIDDLE-4 |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 27 Aug 04 - 05:26 PM That's a kind thought, but it's already been posted here several times, as Masato's links above should indicate; you needn't have taken the trouble to type it out again. There have been discussions in the Forum, too: all are easily found via the onsite search engine ("Lyrics and Knowledge Search" at the top of every page), but new members sometimes take a while to learn how to use it. The river Bann isn't far from where Jim ("Fiddle-4") lives, I should imagine. |
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Subject: Lyr Add: THE BANKS OF THE BANN From: croc Date: 27 Aug 04 - 05:03 PM THE BANKS OF THE BANN When first to this country a stranger I came I laid my attentions on a girl who was young Her eyes warm and tender her waist small and slender She was one of the finest in the world I had seen Twas on the Banks of the Bann that first I met her She seemed like an angel or Egypt's fair queen Her eyes like diamonds or pearls softly gleaming Sure heaven had made her for my overthrow. It was her cruel parents that first caused our variance Because they are rich and of high degree (0r Because I am poor and of low degree) But I'll do my endeavour to win my love's favour Although she is born of a high pedigree. My name is Delaney it's a name that won't shame me And if I'd had money I'd never have roamed But gambling and sporting, night rambling and courting Were the cause of my downfall and absence from home. If I had the riches that are found in the Indies I'd put rings on her fingers and pearls in her ears And there on the banks of the lovely Bann river In all kinds of splendour I would live with my dear. From memory. I think it's fairly accurate. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban From: ard mhacha Date: 27 Aug 04 - 01:31 PM I could never imagine Geordie Hanna singing "The star of the Co Down", |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban From: BTMP Date: 27 Aug 04 - 12:51 PM Might also be the Star of the County Down ??? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban From: masato sakurai Date: 27 Aug 04 - 09:19 AM Is it one of these songs in the DT? All are spelt with two n's. THE BANKS OF THE BANN BANKS OF THE BANN (3) THE BANKS OF THE BANN (WILLIE ARCHER ON THE BANKS OF THE BANN) |
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Subject: Lyr Req: On the banks of the ban From: FIDDLE-4 Date: 27 Aug 04 - 08:36 AM I heard Gordie hanna singing this song on a bridge at a fleidh in rasarkin co,antrim -spelling may be incorrect, I know the tune but I forget the words. fiddle-4 Messages from multiple threads combined. There is no need to have separate threads for lyric request & andd, tune reuqest/add, chords request/all - it's usually better if all the information on a song is in the same place. |
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