BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: GUEST,GROK
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 10:51 PM

Hakman's back, man! YES!!!!! !!

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 06:32 PM

Pictures of Bush's brain


http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/bushbrain.jpg


http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/bushscan.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 05:00 PM

"7 minutes in the mind of Bush-Which tie should I wear when I'm sworn in as president in January."

Now that's funny!! Especially considering how badly he was doing before that.

Maybe he was thinking "Now I won't have to fire Rumsfeld!"

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 02:23 PM

No one seems to get the "Bob Kerry" joke which I find very funny.   The joke is about the intelligence committee.   Bush ads claimed that Kerry missed 75% of the votes.   The Kerry camp response was that John Kerry was very involved in the intelligence committee and served as the vice chairman.   The next day Fox news researched that and found that it was "BOB Kerry" who was the vice chairman of the committee.    The response from the Kerry camp was the Saturday Night LIve line "nevermind".   

Thats was makes the Ebbie threads so funny.   It wasn't JOHN Kerry who committedd the atrocities and admitted them on Dick Cavett- it was BOB Kerry.   Nevermind.

7 minutes in the mind of Bush-Which tie should I wear when I'm sworn in as president in January.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: kendall
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 02:08 PM

What was he thinking? "Oh shit, now I know what a deer in the headlights thinks."

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: SINSULL
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 12:56 PM

Well Jack it appears we are in agreement after all. I am entitled to my opinion and you are entitled to yours.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 08:22 PM

Beardedbruce.

The difference between Kerry's criminal acts and Bush's is that Kerry was one of millions acting under orders and that he did not know the acts were illegal when he committed them.

Bush was in charge. Bush lied. Bush started a war of choice under completely false pretenses.

SINSULL

I'm tired of this arguement and I find some of the things you have said to be insulting. I have made different points each time I have replied to you, so please don't say I'm saying the same thing over and over and I will thank you not to tell me what I would have said if George Bush had acted differently on that day, you simply have know way of knowing. Of course we both have the right to express our opinions, I'd rather you didn't try to express mine for me. I have thought long and hard about this and I believe that I have plenty of things to criticize Bush about without having to stretch the truth. I do happen to know what Bush was told because it is public knowledge. If you do not know it is not because that information is not available. Andrew Card told him that a second plane had hit the World Trade Center and that the US was under attack.

SINSULL I do not blame you for continuing to read your book I don't blame you for being shocked. But you aren't the President. You don't travel with a guy with a briefcase handcuffed to his arm with the launch codes for Nuclear missiles. You are not telling us to vote for you because you are a decisive leader. You are not the person who is saying you are uniquely qualified to defend this country. In my humble opinion the President needs to be held to a higher standard. The President is saying he is better than he is. My problem is not so much that he was slow and that he made the wrong decision, which he did, but that he is presenting himself as being better, more prepared and braver than you and me, when his actions indicate that he is not.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: GUEST,GROK
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 07:40 PM

beardedbruce:

You got the apology, although it likely wasn't as abject as you would have liked.

Peace on you.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 05:39 PM

Givin the exchanges, I would like to know, from responsible liberals, who they feel was being rude and priggish.


From: beardedbruce - PM
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 06:31 PM

Martin, haven't you figured out that the Left has no interest in ever looking at facts? Did you note that while they accuse Bush of being a War criminal, Kerry, who stated that he had committed acts himself in violation of the Geneva Convention, gets a pass?


...(message from GUEST removed)...

From: Ebbie - PM
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 06:42 PM

beardedbruce, please get it right- it was Bob Kerrey who admitted illegal acts. Different man. Talk about the "pukey far left pseudo intellectuals" !

Imo, the natural, logical thing that a president would have done is to say to the kids something like: "I'm sorry. I have to go take care of a problem. Part of being president, you know."


From: beardedbruce - PM
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 06:46 PM

Excuse me. I heard a statement that after he came back and was protesting the war, he stated that he personnaly had burned civilian villages etc. You know, when he was being a hero for 4 months on the boat... Perhaps you need to check what your candidate has been saying- or are facts that meaningless to you?

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: Ebbie - PM
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 07:00 PM

Facts Shmacts. That was former Senator Bob Kerrey.

From: GUEST,GROK - PM
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 07:21 PM

Beardedbruce:

You have confused two men.

One is former Senator Bob Kerrey who had been a Navy Seal in the late '60s. See the link provided below.

www.wsws.org/articles/2001/may2001/kerr-m04.shtml


The other man is John Kerry who is presently running for the presidency of your country.

Lets hope the public is better informed.


From: Ebbie - PM
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 07:41 PM

Sadly, I fear that beardedbruce is all too many of our public.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 05:24 PM

I stand corrected, CarolC. Perhaps I should have said " or am I to presume it is the usual extremist tendancy to attack the person when they have lost the arguement"

Previous message was crossposted with you...

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 05:21 PM

BTW, thank you, CarolC and Jack. I may ( always/often) disagree with you on most topics, but I find that you at least read the contents of a post, rather than react to the person posting.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 05:20 PM

or am I to presume it is the usual Left tendency to attack the person when they have lost the factual argument

I've noticed that both sides tend to do this in pretty much equal amounts. And I've noticed also that both sides are just as likely to point it out in the other side, calling those on the other side hypocrite, while ignoring the same tendency in themselves.

We're all people. Labels are meaningless. The only purpose lables serve is to divide people in order to make them easier to control.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 04:26 PM

Let me rephrase part of the post of 04:09PM:

Is it the fact I actually was right that you consider so rude and priggish, or are you calling Ms Kerry that?- Pick one

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 04:20 PM

GUEST, GROK:

"that is, the one in which you so claerly love yourself. "

Would you care to explain how you arrive at this comment, or am I to presume it is the usual Left tendency to attack the person when they have lost the factual argument?

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 04:09 PM

"such a rude, priggish manner"- You never called the candidate's wife on it, when she told a reporter... Makes you a hypocrite, as well.

What I love is the truth, and I see far too little of it in the political discussions dominated here by the Left. Obviously, the people representing the Left do not feel that the truth has much value.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: GUEST,GROK
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 03:53 PM

beardedbruce:

Now that you have made yourself clear--even though in such a rude, priggish manner--I do hereby offer my apology for having misunderstood you. You seem quite angst-filled, and I hope our little communication error will not disturb an otherwise beautiful friendship; that is, the one in which you so claerly love yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 10:23 AM

Ebbie and GUEST, GROK:

Full text of the quote I heard:

"MR. KERRY: Well, I have often talked about this subject. I personally didn't see personal atrocities in the sense that I saw somebody cut a head off or something like that. However, I did take part in free fire zones and I did take part in harassment interdiction fire. I did take part in search-and-destroy missions in which the houses of noncombatants were burned to the ground. And all of these, I find out later on, these acts are contrary to the Hague and Geneva Conventions and to the laws of warfare. So in that sense, anybody who took part in those, if you carry out the applications of the Nuremberg principles, is in fact guilty."

Andin the words of the candidate's wife, "shove it!" If your response to my original post is typical of your "facts", I fail to see any reason to give any validity to anything that you say.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 09:56 AM

SINSULL:

"My opinion is just as valid as yours. And Martin I proudly rank myself among those you dismiss as far left pseudo-intellectuals. We have some well thought out valid points to offer as do you."

Ah, but if they are well thought out valid points, and you are willing to listen to, and give validity to, other's well thought out points, you are a far left intellectual, without the pseudo-. Thus, you are not dismissed.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 08:15 AM

Sadly, I fear that Ebbie and GUEST, GROK are all too many of our public.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 06:06 AM

Ebbie, and Guest, Grok:

"John Kerry did say that firing in so called free fire zones and some other acts he committed under orders were violations of the Geneva Convention"

I await your abject apologies. I stated " Kerry, who stated that he had committed acts himself in violation of the Geneva Convention, gets a pass? "

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 02:04 AM

He choked?

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: GUEST,Tang The Orangutan
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 12:10 AM

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: GUEST,GROK
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 12:08 AM

Now, why didn't he have much going on in his mind?

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: GUEST,GROK
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 11:38 PM

I don't see Jack making excuses. He seems much more reasonable than that. The excuses from the 'Bush' camp seem to be more along the lines of, "Well, he didn't actually DO anything, and given the circumstances, that was good." OK by me. We then agree to disagree.

So, it seems that BOTH sides of the 'argument' agree that he didn't have much going on in his mind. That's what I wanted to establish.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 10:32 PM

Mary, one of the things I'll never forget about that day is how worried many of us here in the Mudcat were about whether or not you were ok.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: SINSULL
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 10:00 PM

Jack says:
"but obviously the intelligent and prudent thing to do would have been to quietly excuse himself and to start immediately educating himself about what was going on in case he had to make a quick decision about a plane full of lives."

Jack saying the same thing over again, and saying it last doesn't make you right. You have a right to your opinion. I have a right to mine.

Neither of us knows what was said to bush as he sat in front of an audience of children. Maybe he had the information he needed for the moment. Maybe he needed to breathe in and out a few times before doing anything.

I was sitting in a court house in NYC when a TV showed the first building being hit. I CONTINUED TO READ MY BOOK - In The Heart Of The Ocean first because I honestly saw the pictures and assumed it was a replay of the previous attack on the towers or maybe a movie stunt. When the second plane hit I still continued to read. I was afraid I was going to lose it so I concentrated on a horror story from a century ago until I could process some rational thoughts. You I am sure put on full battle dress and ran out ready to defend home and country from the onslaught.

In retrospect, how does bush's response equal failure? If he had run from the room and went seven minutes earlier into a conference with his advisors (and where exactly were they?) how would anything be changed.

I repeat: "The funny part of this is that if bush had jumped up and gone into instant action, these same people would be criticizing him for acting rashly and without thinking it through. "

My opinion is just as valid as yours. And Martin I proudly rank myself among those you dismiss as far left pseudo-intellectuals. We have some well thought out valid points to offer as do you.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: Once Famous
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 09:26 PM

Well, fuck you anyway, Jack.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 09:19 PM

Yes that's exactly what I mean. Common sense at its zenith.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: Once Famous
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 08:51 PM

You mean, like fuck you, Jack?

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 08:45 PM

Martin Gibson said...

"that it makes the pukey far left pseudo intellectuals here squirm and that they are generally the ones who piss and moan about me the most."

Must you constanty insult others and try to pick fights? Calling people names isn't being outspoken. Its just being rude.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 08:40 PM

Carol is right. That testimony was based upon the "Winter Soldier" investigation. John Kerry did say that firing in so called free fire zones and some other acts he committed under orders were violations of the Geneva Convention but he never admitted and according to all reports never committed a war crime.

Sinsull I'd be quite prepared to give the man a break if he wasn't now campaigning as if he were some sort of hero. He is saying he is a strong leader. As the GUEST said, he apparantly is less a leader than your average fireman. He chose to wait at least seven minutes before he found out one detail about what was going on. I'm sorry to disagree with you but obviously the intelligent and prudent thing to do would have been to quietly excuse himself and to start immediately educating himself about what was going on in case he had to make a quick decision about a plane full of lives. He is saying that he is a strong leader when he patently is not.

He spent the time leading up to 9/11 focusing his attention on missile defense as his top national security priority. Even now he will not admit that mistake. Maybe one of the things he thought in those seven minutes was "Rummy told me it would be missiles!!"

After the attack, time and time again he blamed the attack on the wrong enemy. According to the timeline in "Plan of Attack" he was asking Richard Clarke to link the attack to Saddam BEFORE he even visited New York.

When he did visit New York, as much as that might have meant to the people who were in the city at the time, as you said, he did not do anything that Gore, Clinton or any other sitting President would have done in that situation.

One of the reasons Kerry won the Democratic nomination was because in Viet Nam he did prove himself to be a decisive leader in situations of grave threat. He's also proven to be thoughtful and diplomatic when he has to be. There are more attacks coming. If and when they do happen, I'll feel safer if Kerry is in charge than Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 07:59 PM

I think beardedbruce has in mind John Kerry's testimony before Congress in which violations of the Geneva Convention were mentioned. But my understanding of that testimony is that Kerry said that these violations had been reported to him by other Vietnam Veterans, and not that he testified to having committed them himself.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 07:41 PM

Sadly, I fear that beardedbruce is all too many of our public.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: GUEST,GROK
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 07:21 PM

Beardedbruce:

You have confused two men.

One is former Senator Bob Kerrey who had been a Navy Seal in the late '60s. See the link provided below.

www.wsws.org/articles/2001/may2001/kerr-m04.shtml


The other man is John Kerry who is presently running for the presidency of your country.

Lets hope the public is better informed.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 07:00 PM

Facts Shmacts. That was former Senator Bob Kerrey.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 06:46 PM

Excuse me. I heard a statement that after he came back and was protesting the war, he stated that he personnaly had burned civilian villages etc. You know, when he was being a hero for 4 months on the boat... Perhaps you need to check what your candidate has been saying- or are facts that meaningless to you?

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 06:42 PM

beardedbruce, please get it right- it was Bob Kerrey who admitted illegal acts. Different man. Talk about the "pukey far left pseudo intellectuals" !

Imo, the natural, logical thing that a president would have done is to say to the kids something like: "I'm sorry. I have to go take care of a problem. Part of being president, you know."

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 06:36 PM

Bush is too stupid to be a criminal. He'd get off for sure. Mental incompetence.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 06:31 PM

Martin, haven't you figured out that the Left has no interest in ever looking at facts? Did you note that while they accuse Bush of being a War criminal, Kerry, who stated that he had committed acts himself in violation of the Geneva Convention, gets a pass?

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: Once Famous
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 06:26 PM

Sinsull, you are right.

I wish I could count how many posts have started out the way yours just did. More than my detractors really care to admit.

There really is a group of sane, rational people here. Doesn't it make you realize Sinsull, that because as many times I have been so outspoken and nailed some common sense on the head, that it makes the pukey far left pseudo intellectuals here squirm and that they are generally the ones who piss and moan about me the most.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: SINSULL
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 06:02 PM

Oh Lord! MG and I agree on something! And it's in support of georgie bush. The funny part of this is that if bush had jumped up and gone into instant action, these same people would be criticizing him for acting rashly and without thinking it through.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: Once Famous
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 05:51 PM

This thread is ridiculous. The Prsident and Guilliani both handled the situation as well as could be expected. Harping on this type of stuff has really no impact on whether he will or will not win the election. All it does is make you look pretty stupid.

You that criticize this in your "anybody but Bush" mentality really do represent the dumbing down of liberalism in this country.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: GUEST,
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 03:04 PM

Our response time from an alarm to being in full gear at the hall is under five minutes. First truck w/ five on board (four suited up in breathing apparatus) is rolling within seven minutes. That's from guys being asleep at home and into full gear at the hall and rolling to a fire: SEVEN minutes. I was just wondering how much we'd love a guy like the President of the United States on our crew. If it was your house, with your kid trapped inside--well, who ya gonna call?

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: Amergin
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 12:56 PM

He was thinking:

Why did Mary Cheney turn gay? Wait does that mean she has sex with other women? Cool!

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 11:25 AM

SINSULL

I could not disagree more. He did nothing nothing during that seven minutes while he knew the country was under attack. He should have excused himself and started gathering information so that he would be prepared to act quickly.

Bush did not manage to be presidential he was managed to be presidential. While he talked about the importance of unity and of hunting down the perpetrators he was plotting to use the attack to finish his father's unfinished business in Iraq. He was using the attack to press his pre election agenda of tax cutting and such. He very quickly turned the greatest moment of unity into a wedge for devisiveness.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: SINSULL
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 10:41 AM

The end to a perfect week - now I have to defend little bush.

He was the only one to be unfortunate enough to have a camera trained on him when he got the news. I was in a room of a thousand people at the time. It took a half hour before disbelief was replaced by any sort of logical thought. Give the guy a break.

And keep in mind that he did manage to be PRESIDENTIAL in the hours, days, and weeks following the attacks. I despise the man but respect him for getting the country through a horrific time. For the record, Clinton and Gore would have done as well or better.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: M'Grath of Altcar
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 07:50 AM

Interesting link. No surprise that his first thought was the way that he looked.

Vanity.

What an evil pointless fool.

Damn his eyes.

M of A

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 01:09 AM

He was thinking "I have to project calm! Project calm! OHMYGOD OHMYGOD Project calm!!

The thing that bothers me is that he was waiting to understand what had happened but he did not take any steps to find out. Apparantly he only understands things once someone else has digested the raw data and explains it to him.

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: Amergin
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 12:55 AM

Do I look fat in these jeans?

Does this camera make me look older?

Subject: RE: BS: SEVEN MINUTES IN THE MIND OF BUSH
From: Amergin
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 12:54 AM

Is my hair messy?