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Subject: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: GUEST,tarheel Date: 09 Sep 04 - 03:28 PM before any of you delete this thread(which reminds me,if this is an open forum why only the negative thiungs allowed here?)...anyway,i have read a lot in here in recent weeks about whther folks in here believe in HELL or HEAVEN or GOD or is RELIGION rubbish? well,if you dont believe in HEAVEN,HELL,GOD or RELIGION,what do you belive in? and...before you answer that,here's what i believe in! "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12 God's Simple Plan of Salvation My Friend: I am asking you the most important question of life. Your joy or your sorrow for all eternity depends upon your answer. The question is: Are you saved? It is not a question of how good you are, nor if you are a church member, but are you saved? Are you sure you will go to Heaven when you die? God says in order to go to Heaven, you must be born again. In John 3:7, Jesus said to Nicodemus, "Ye must be born again." In the Bible God gives us the plan of how to be born again which means to be saved. His plan is simple! You can be saved today. How? First, my friend, you must realize you are a sinner. "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). Because you are a sinner, you are condemned to death. "For the wages [payment] of sin is death" (Romans 6:23). This includes eternal separation from God in Hell. "...it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment" (Hebrews 9:27). But God loved you so much He gave His only begotten Son, Jesus, to bear your sin and die in your place. "...He hath made Him [Jesus, Who knew no sin] to be sin for us...that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him" (2 Corinthians 5:21). Jesus had to shed His blood and die. "For the life of the flesh is in the blood" (Lev. 17:11). "...without shedding of blood is no remission [pardon]" (Hebrews 9:22). "...God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" (Romans 5:8). Although we cannot understand how, God said my sins and your sins were laid upon Jesus and He died in our place. He became our substitute. It is true. God cannot lie. My friend, "God...commandeth all men everywhere to repent" (Acts 17:30). This repentance is a change of mind that agrees with God that one is a sinner, and also agrees with what Jesus did for us on the Cross. In Acts 16:30-31, the Philippian jailer asked Paul and Silas: "...'Sirs, what must I do to be saved?' And they said, 'Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved... .' " Simply believe on Him as the one who bore your sin, died in your place, was buried, and whom God resurrected. His resurrection powerfully assures that the believer can claim everlasting life when Jesus is received as Savior. "But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name" (John 1:12). "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Romans 10:13). Whosoever includes you. Shall be saved means not maybe, nor can, but shall be saved. Surely, you realize you are a sinner. Right now, wherever you are, repenting, lift your heart to God in prayer. In Luke 18:13, the sinner prayed: "God be merciful to me a sinner." Just pray: "Oh God, I know I am a sinner. I believe Jesus was my substitute when He died on the Cross. I believe His shed blood, death, burial, and resurrection were for me. I now receive Him as my Savior. I thank You for the forgiveness of my sins, the gift of salvation and everlasting life, because of Your merciful grace. Amen." Just take God at His word and claim His salvation by faith. Believe, and you will be saved. No church, no lodge, no good works can save you. Remember, God does the saving. All of it! God's simple plan of salvation is: You are a sinner. Therefore, unless you believe on Jesus Who died in your place, you will spend eternity in Hell. If you believe on Him as your crucified, buried, and risen Savior, you receive forgiveness for all of your sins and His gift of eternal salvation by faith. You say, "Surely, it cannot be that simple." Yes, that simple! It is scriptural. It is God's plan. My friend, believe on Jesus and receive Him as Savior today. If His plan is not perfectly clear, read this tract over and over, without laying it down, until you understand it. Your soul is worth more than all the world. "For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world and lose his own soul?" (Mark 8:36). Be sure you are saved. If you lose your soul, you miss Heaven and lose all. Please! Let God save you this very moment. God's power will save you, keep you saved, and enable you to live a victorious Christian life. "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, Who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it" (1 Corinthians 10:13). Do not trust your feelings. They change. Stand on God's promises. They never change. After you are saved, there are three things to practice daily for spiritual growth: Pray -- you talk to God. Read your Bible -- God talks to you. Witness -- you talk for God. You should be baptized in obedience to the Lord Jesus Christ as a public testimony of your salvation, and then unite with a Bible-believing church without delay. "Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord...." (2 Timothy 1:8) "Whosoever therefore shall confess [testify of] Me before men, him will I confess also before My Father which is in heaven" (Matthew 10:32). |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: GUEST,amergin Date: 09 Sep 04 - 03:32 PM yawn. religion is a scam put upon the masses to keep the few in power. |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: wysiwyg Date: 09 Sep 04 - 03:36 PM Tar Heel, there are many existing threads on what people believe. IMO we don't need a new one. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: wysiwyg Date: 09 Sep 04 - 03:37 PM And TH's post is a paste-in. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 09 Sep 04 - 03:40 PM I believe in been nice to people, and helping them etc if you can, and been good and not harming people, ie not nicking stuff, or thumping people unless they hit you first, or they look dodgy and you think they might hit you, [speeding and stuff like that is ok, and tax fiddling is ok, but drink ing and driving is bad, becase you could crash into their car and bust it, or kill them, and thhats bad] anyway=good and bad is common sens, ie if waht you doing could hurt someone or piss them off, then dont do it, but iff wqaht you doing is good and make people happy then do it, ie if someone got a flat tyre on his van, and you know how to fix it, and youy fix it, he will be happy. and you should be kind to animals as well, and not kill them on purpose , unless they are dangerous ones, or you going to eat them, but killing aninals just for a laugh, ie fox hunhting etc is bad. |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: GUEST,tarheel Date: 09 Sep 04 - 03:43 PM i dont l,ive in here...just visit fromn time to time,WYSIWYG...you folks need to get a life! |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: SINSULL Date: 09 Sep 04 - 03:47 PM And no throwing apple cores in the gutter. That really pisses off old men. Then they yell and you have to yell back. That's how wars start. "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you" works for me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 09 Sep 04 - 03:48 PM Anyway-one thing waht pisses me off is people quoting bits from the bibble, ie"neither is there salvation in any other" etc and people telling me, if i dont believe in god, i wont be salvated. i'm not bothered, i used to belive in god, [my mam and dad did, [my dads ded now, but he was a christian bloke and he always wore a cross on his neck, and got buried in a church place]. i stopped believing in god, because i think its a load of rubbish. I think buddists are the best religous sort of people, tyhey never make war, they never hit people, they never nick stuff, and they never make trubble. [but only bad thing about them is they are vegitariuns]. |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: robomatic Date: 09 Sep 04 - 03:53 PM I think tarheel means well and his/her selections are in better taste than others that i've read in the hall of forums. But I'm not a Christian. I simply want a recognition that there are a bunch of good values to have that are agreeable to Christians as well, but were not invented by Christians. Like the ten commandments, as a minor example. I also prefer the 'negative' version of the golden rule: "That which is objectionable to you, do not do to another." That way people who like licorice sticks will not be giving them to me, because even if everyone else likes 'em, I hate 'em. |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: jimmyt Date: 09 Sep 04 - 03:54 PM If this is about Salivation, medicined can be prescribed to decrease the saliva flow. I could drop you a prescription in the mail if you are truly bothered by this. Best to just spit I guess. |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: LilyFestre Date: 09 Sep 04 - 03:56 PM Tarheel, If you would read any of the posts here, I would think you would be CLEARLY about to see that each of these fine people have interesting lives and experiences and thoughts that they are kind enough to share with the rest of the world. Why be so bitter? Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 09 Sep 04 - 03:56 PM I was thinking about been a buddist, but i can't be arsed, especially as they are all vefigarians] bit of meat doesent do any harm! do they drink? Reform Quackers are ok, i read about them, they dont agree with wars, they seem ok i did a test [www.beliefnet.org] to see waht religon i should be, it said reform quacker, it said i'm 100 percent matched to them. i read about them, they dont pray, they have meetings, and sit about talking, [do they drink? do they eat meat? i think i will read a bit more about them, bye. |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: CarolC Date: 09 Sep 04 - 03:59 PM I respect your right to believe what you do, tarheel, but you asked what we believe, and this is what I believe: I believe that, like me, you, tarheel, are a tiny spark of divinity doing your best to make your way through the process of your growth as a spiritual being, and the emergence of your understanding of your true self. I believe your salvation is never in question, but that you may need to believe that it is from time to time in order to learn whatever you wanted or needed to learn from having such experiences and holding such beliefs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: LilyFestre Date: 09 Sep 04 - 04:03 PM Reform Quackers? LOL.....Ducks gone bad gone good! LMAO! Are you sure it isn't Reformed QUAKERS? Dang...I needed to laugh..that felt GOOD...thank you Sir jOhn Hull, Reformed Quacker *waddle waddle quack quack* *Smirk* Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: Once Famous Date: 09 Sep 04 - 04:04 PM tarheel, I believe in the God of Israel and completely reject Jesus Christ as our savior and the messiah. So do all of the other Jews I know. we are not counting on going to hell for that. Maybe for getting high at concerts years ago, but not for that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: jimmyt Date: 09 Sep 04 - 04:04 PM John, before you commit to the Quaker religion, do you like oats? |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: jimmyt Date: 09 Sep 04 - 04:07 PM CarolC right you are. Lily isn't it amazing where your inspiration comes from every day? did you ever think that you would get a giggle out of this thread? just goes to show you, there is a God, and by golly............she sure has a sense of humor! |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: GUEST,Clint Keller Date: 09 Sep 04 - 04:09 PM According to this morning's paper the Reverend Richard Butler has passed away. He lived five or ten miles from me, and though I didn't know him personally, I do know he had accepted Christ as his savior, and was a pastor to his flock. His flock was the Aryan Nations, of whom many of you have heard, and he believed his time in the US Air Force in WWII was spent fighting on the wrong side,because he thought Hitler to be the greatest man of the 20th century. He prayed, read his Bible and Witnessed, and he was no loss to the world, which is a terrible thing to say about anyone. And this is a useless rant, because, although tarheel has ears, he hears not. clint |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: jimmyt Date: 09 Sep 04 - 04:11 PM Tar Heel, "in all things, moderation." I submit that an enormous amount of the heartache and problems in the world today can be tracked to religious extremists, be it Osama Bin Ladin, or people who of the Christian faith who are so staunchly entrenched in "the Word" that they cannot see the folly of their ways. Intolerance does not represent the God I believe in. |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: Clinton Hammond Date: 09 Sep 04 - 04:14 PM I find no good evidence to support the existance of any 'god' or surpreme beings... And until I do, I'll continue to question it's/their existance... |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: Georgiansilver Date: 09 Sep 04 - 04:21 PM We all have choices to make but how many choices are made with full possession of the facts...How many choices are made because of peoples opinions, or the framework they have built during their lives...be it fact or fiction. How many take the time to actually find out what a belief is about before they dismiss it as mumbo-jumbo? Yes we all have to make choices but they should be on a firm grounding of learning..not on conjecture. Best wishes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: SINSULL Date: 09 Sep 04 - 04:22 PM I am an atheist. The quote below confuses me: "Simply believe on Him as the one who bore your sin, died in your place, was buried, and whom God resurrected. His resurrection powerfully assures that the believer can claim everlasting life when Jesus is received as Savior." Surely there must be a further requirement - do no more sin, maybe? Or will heaven be filled with the likes of Rev. Butler? |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: GUEST,Irate Participant Date: 09 Sep 04 - 04:27 PM This is a barrel of manure. I don't see how any human and mortal clod can even claim the right to speak about a plan generated by an Infinite and Divine Power -- least of all some country folkie from North Carolina. With all due respect I hardly expect divine revelation to arrive from such an unqualified quarter. It is arrogant, and presumptuous to make such assertions, and it is certainly not welcome. I thank you. I.P. |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: Joe Offer Date: 09 Sep 04 - 04:44 PM I've been a Christian all my life, and the words of Scripture are sacred to me. I hate to seem them used as Spam, or plastered onto courtroom walls as some sort of weapon to be dropped upon those who choose not to believe, to attempt to coerce them with propaganda. These words are supposed to be a gift, freely given and freely accepted - not something to be imposed upon people. The above is my personal opinion. As for the question of whether it should be deleted or not, here's the official answer:
All the best to you, Tar Heel. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: Bill D Date: 09 Sep 04 - 04:44 PM "...if you dont believe in HEAVEN,HELL,GOD or RELIGION,what do you belive in?" 1)the power of the human mind to learn rationality, 2) the ability to be "good for goodness sake" instead of because a book told you to. 3) the common sense to not preach to others where it is not welcome and appropriate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: M.Ted Date: 09 Sep 04 - 05:02 PM So Clinton Hammond, what would constitute "good evidence" to you? And how hard have you looked for it--Anyway, what do you think that "God" or a "Supreme Being" would be? This because you can't find something if you don't know what you are looking for-- Do you not believe in Geometry? There is, after all, no proof for the axioms-- |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: freda underhill Date: 09 Sep 04 - 05:02 PM what Bill D said, and a few irrational things too. freda |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: GUEST,amergin Date: 09 Sep 04 - 05:09 PM Clint, so butler finally died? I can't say that I am heartbroken at the news...he did make for some interesting convos that I have had when people find out where I'm from...unfortuantely when scum like him pass on...there are always others to take his place. I remember the neo nazi parade not ten miles from my grandparents' house during the siege of Weaver's cabin....just lovely. |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: GUEST,realist Date: 09 Sep 04 - 05:20 PM I agree with Martin Gibson. What do I believe in? Science! |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: wysiwyg Date: 09 Sep 04 - 05:21 PM Screenful? That's odd-- I have the smallest font size selected in this browser, and it's 3-1/2w "page downs" to me. On a big monitor. But I don't care if it's deleted or not-- didnlt ask for it in fact. Tarheel I DO have a life, I just don't appreciate the drive-by pastings you seem to do lately. To me it does not look like you want to know what others think as much as you just want to slap up a poster on your beliefs. ~S~
-Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: Once Famous Date: 09 Sep 04 - 05:40 PM Yes, but Susan, in an open forum, he's entitled to do it. besides, I don't want to always be the one to stir things up around here! |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: wysiwyg Date: 09 Sep 04 - 05:49 PM He's entitled to do it, and I'm entitled to tell him I don't like it. :~) ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: Once Famous Date: 09 Sep 04 - 05:58 PM And I'm entitled to tell you all that ordering ketchup on a hot dog in Chicago will get you thrown out of the place. |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Sep 04 - 06:00 PM Tarheel, all religions came into being in order that certain people in a certain time, place, and culture could approach what they called "God" or "Yahweh" or "Allah" or "Wakan Tanka" or "Father" or "Mother" or "Tao" or "the Absolute" or "the Divine" or "the Infinite" or "life"...in a way that was meaningful and helpful to them. That naturally varied from one time and place to another, because people vary, and their way of expressing themselves varies. Obviously the particular way you have chosen to do that suits you. That's fine with me. I gather, though, that other ways which differ in word or detail from the one you are most familiar with are not fine with you. Too bad. People are often...I should say, usually...exclusive and conditional in their love, Tarheel. God is neither. God is non-denominational and is confined to any one church, holy book, prophet, or specific religion. This means your way of believing is okay with me, but mine is probably not with yours...despite the fact that we no doubt share the same basic spiritual ideals! That is a great shame, if you ask me. People are not "sinners", they are learners on the path of experience...and they do make mistakes while going through the learning process. Those mistakes are referred to as "sin" by people who have bought into the idea of living life with a massive guilt complex ("We're not worthy! We're not worthy!). It's a ridiculous attitude, it does not come from God, and it is of no help to humanity to wallow in such a self-abusive notion in the first place. The value in mistakes is that they alert you to the fact that there is a better way. This is good. Without mistakes, in fact, no one learns anything. Your God is not a jealous God. He does not get angry and consign "sinners" to Hell. It's people who do stuff like that. You're right about one thing though...people who type more than an hour's worth of words here a day DO need to get a life! :-) And that includes me... |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: Bill D Date: 09 Sep 04 - 06:03 PM well, Joe, it's at LEAST 2½ screenfulls for me, also...copying & pasting that much of anything is extreme...tarheel can simply post links to where he finds this stuff, and those who wish can go read it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: wysiwyg Date: 09 Sep 04 - 06:04 PM MG, MG, MG-- I'm FROM Chicago.... you don't need to tell me THAT! :~) I believe in hot dogs! REAL dogs! There is no Vienna Beef where I live, alas. No real dogs here. Think of it-- dogless these ten years and more. When I order one here (why do I DO that?) I always say, when they serve it, "That dog won't hunt!" Might as WELL put ketchup on 'em, here! ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: LilyFestre Date: 09 Sep 04 - 06:09 PM Ok...gotta ask...what's the difference? I was to Chicago once when I was about 12....all I remember was that the McDonald's in Chicago had BREAKFAST.....BIG NEWS to a 12 year old! That...and nearly being killed by a speeding train since my stepfather didn't have enough brains in his head to heed the flashing light and big giant bars slamming down into the van (ahhh..yes....it was a LONG time ago...custom van...stained glass cross in the ceiling, wall to ceiling shag carpeting, teardrop shaped windows in the rear......)...anyway...what's the difference in hotdogs? I'm a Nathan's kinda girl myself.... Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Sep 04 - 06:09 PM ARGh! Left the word NOT out of an above sentence. Typical. This probably happens to George Bush sometimes too. :-) Well, it should have said: "God is non-denominational and is NOT confined to any one church, holy book, prophet, or specific religion." And if people would just get that one little idea straight, we could be done with all those idiotic religious wars. |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: Fishpicker Date: 09 Sep 04 - 06:11 PM Tarheel, I would never *buy* into any religion that claims to be the only way to salvation and condems all other points of view, there are allot of people on this planet that don't follow christianity. There are allot of good people on this planet that don't follow christianity, don't tell me they are all going down the crapper. There is always some zealot knocking on the door, ranting on the tv or radio or bloviating on an internet news group about his or her religion being the end all be all of the universe when in fact they don't know jack squat more than the next person about this life or the next. FP |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: Clinton Hammond Date: 09 Sep 04 - 06:18 PM "Clinton Hammond, what would constitute "good evidence" to you?" Like most things, one won't know till one finds it... |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: SINSULL Date: 09 Sep 04 - 06:23 PM No answer to my question... |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: wysiwyg Date: 09 Sep 04 - 06:27 PM LF, the difference must be eaten to be assimilated. :~) It's not just the dog, either, it's the bun, the condiments, the attitude oof the server-- (weeping profusely now)-- the smell of the fries DAMN you Martin Gibson-- Even if I could get a kosher dog here, it just wouldn't be the same without the inimitable scent of CTA buses passing by, the river and or lake smell..... ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: LilyFestre Date: 09 Sep 04 - 06:32 PM Best hotdog I ever had was in Toronto on the street.....and yep..not just the hotdog...the condiments, the street vendor, the weather, the noise.....all of the environment was part of it. Maybe it wasn't a Chicago dog...but what a nice memory! From salvation to reformed quackers to hot dogs....it HAS to be a good day! :) Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 09 Sep 04 - 06:38 PM hello=waht you wrting in diffrent colours for then? |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: M.Ted Date: 09 Sep 04 - 07:16 PM Do you have any reason to believe that when you see evidence of the existance of God, that you will recognize it? It has been pointed out that people believed that the sun revolved around the earth because that is how it appeared-- |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Sep 04 - 07:40 PM Ever had this experience where you're in a dream and nobody sees you or hears you? You talk to them, but they don't realize you're there at all. They're too busy or else they're deaf and blind. You jump up and down waving your arms but they don't see you. You yell, "Look out! You're gonna drive right off the road!" No reaction whatsoever. Then you go down the road and come across this temple that a bunch of them put up in your honor, and none of them can see you either! More than that, they go on babbling about all kinds of rules you supposedly laid down a few thousand years ago and the horrible punishments you supposedly doll out to "sinners", and then they go and viciously persecute other people for breaking the rules THEY made up in your name! It would take almost infinite compassion to be able to put up with this sort of nonsense on a daily basis and still love people. You'd have to be God to be capable of it. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: khandu Date: 09 Sep 04 - 07:45 PM I am a Christian who "works out my own salvation with fear & trembling" & who allows others to do (or not do) the same. I discuss my beliefs with anyone who is sincerely interested, & with none who aren't. ken |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: Shanghaiceltic Date: 09 Sep 04 - 08:46 PM 'There are many ways to the top of a mountain' Having a Christian belief is not an automatic ticket. My problem with Christianity is that it seems to condemn anyone who does not share it's beliefs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Sep 04 - 08:55 PM Yeah, that's the problem with a lot of religions... |
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Subject: RE: BS: God's simple plan of salvation... From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 09 Sep 04 - 09:13 PM 7 and a half screenfuls for me! |
